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jakefest said:
That very same guy was caught on camera admitting he’s paid to post divisive stuff like the above but while we are here, all of those things are true. People should be able to support anything they want but that also means you have to respect the people who don’t agree and that don’t support it without forcibly ramming your opinion down someone’s throat. Like when a parent says they don’t want their elementary aged children learning about gender reassignment or changing their bodies pre-puberty especially without their knowledge or approval , that means you have to apply the same amount of understanding.

Your challenge is you can’t do the above.


Btw - lolz at the George Soros comment. Has zero to do with him being Jewish and more about his money being pushed into liberal causes and campaigns.

“Equitable” means inferior for everyone. It’s why countries with social healthcare have ****** doctors……there’s no need to be the best because it doesn’t pay to be.
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This is not being taught in elementary school and you know it. You people are so damn afraid of losing elections that your disgusting exaggerations and hyperbole know no bounds. It's insane how far you'll go to demonize entire groups of innocent people and make them targets of your hatred, just so you can get your way.
 
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This is not being taught in elementary school and you know it. You people are so damn afraid of losing elections that your disgusting exaggerations and hyperbole know no bounds. It's insane how far you'll go to demonize entire groups of innocent people and make them targets of your hatred, just so you can get your way.
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I’ve already told you that it is and there’s no shortage of videos that prove it. You’re just so fragile, you don’t want it be to true.

Again, no one cared that there were people changing their genders, mere acceptance wasn’t enough though and liberals took it too far.

The biggest mistake you’re going to continue to make is thinking only republicans use political footballs to win elections. Don’t be so gullible
 
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jakefest said:
I’ve already told you that it is and there’s no shortage of videos that prove it. You’re just so fragile, you don’t want it be to true.

Again, no one cared that there were people changing their genders, mere acceptance wasn’t enough though and liberals took it too far.

The biggest mistake you’re going to continue to make is thinking only republicans use political footballs to win elections. Don’t be so gullible
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You're telling me that gender reassignment and changing kids bodies before puberty is commonly taught in elementary school without the knowledge of their parents? Are you trying to get teachers killed now?
You are so FOS, I don't care what you see on Libs of TikTok. What an *******...
 
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You're telling me that gender reassignment and changing kids bodies before puberty is commonly taught in elementary school without the knowledge of their parents? Are you trying to get teachers killed now?
You are so FOS, I don't care what you see on Libs of TikTok. What an *******...
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My wife, the actual elementary teacher, loves when people say this garbage. Her comment is this," We barely have time to teach the curriculum, nobody has time, or wants to teach your kids about sexuality".

You folks do know that these are your neighbors and people who go to church with you who are teachers in your area. In South Carolina the vast majority of teachers are very conservative as is our electorate. You locals really dont have to worry about what is being taught to your kids

But, while we are talking about this, who are the local SC residents to try to tell California districts what to teach their kids. Don't you want to do away with Federal Education and make it local only?
 
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I’ve already told you that it is and there’s no shortage of videos that prove it. You’re just so fragile, you don’t want it be to true.

Again, no one cared that there were people changing their genders, mere acceptance wasn’t enough though and liberals took it too far.

The biggest mistake you’re going to continue to make is thinking only republicans use political footballs to win elections. Don’t be so gullible
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You'd think the party that likes to claim themselves as arbiters of child safety would look at the studies showing the decrease in depression and suicide attempts in youths that take gender affirming care.


There's always gonna be ******** that push boundaries and do things they shouldn't, for instance, your article listed earlier about the "lap dance" at the drag show. However, that's clearly not the norm, and is meant to obfuscate the conversation. You don't look at all the rapes and sexual assaults occurring in the Christian church and extrapolate that to every church, do you?
 
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You'd think the party that likes to claim themselves as arbiters of child safety would look at the studies showing the decrease in depression and suicide attempts in youths that take gender affirming care.


There's always gonna be ******** that push boundaries and do things they shouldn't, for instance, your article listed earlier about the "lap dance" at the drag show. However, that's clearly not the norm, and is meant to obfuscate the conversation. You don't look at all the rapes and sexual assaults occurring in the Christian church and extrapolate that to every church, do you?
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Well the topic was thoughts and prayers by the OP but we are talking about a transgender person that shot and killed some children. If you want to discuss sexual assaults in churches, happy to actually join forces with you but I wasn't aware it was part of the conversation. Personally, I don't go to church but happy to chuck sexual predators in jail the same as I am transgender shooters that target shooters. Make sense?

I think the issue is a bunch of ******** have pushed the boundaries for several years now and most of America continued to move the line in the sand to accommodate but the line has been moved too many times and the average American has had enough now. This is less and less about politics despite dick pic's strong effort to make it so even though I've seen him and others blame Republicans for this actual incident as well as others.

The consensus after the Uvalde shooting and the Buffalo shooting as a response from the American people was that it was sickening and if they aren't already dead, they should be at first possible opportunity.......the response post Nashville from the media, some folks on this board and the whitehouse has been that he/she was a victim too and we shouldn't rush to judgement, alas a National Holiday. What message do you think that is sending?

In no way shape or form am I suggesting that all Transgender affiliated people are going to shoot anyone, but I am asking why is it wrong to put this man/lady in the same bucket as the other psychos that decide to kill other people instead of simply taking their own lives? Evil is evil, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion or gender.
 
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Things that did kill last week: Radical Transgender
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I've never seen you this mad at a shooter before. By this point after other shootings, you've offered your thoughts and prayers, complained about open doors and gun laws and then moved on. What gives?
 
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jakefest said:
Well the topic was thoughts and prayers by the OP but we are talking about a transgender person that shot and killed some children. If you want to discuss sexual assaults in churches, happy to actually join forces with you but I wasn't aware it was part of the conversation. Personally, I don't go to church but happy to chuck sexual predators in jail the same as I am transgender shooters that target shooters. Make sense?

I think the issue is a bunch of ******** have pushed the boundaries for several years now and most of America continued to move the line in the sand to accommodate but the line has been moved too many times and the average American has had enough now. This is less and less about politics despite dick pic's strong effort to make it so even though I've seen him and others blame Republicans for this actual incident as well as others.

The consensus after the Uvalde shooting and the Buffalo shooting as a response from the American people was that it was sickening and if they aren't already dead, they should be at first possible opportunity.......the response post Nashville from the media, some folks on this board and the whitehouse has been that he/she was a victim too and we shouldn't rush to judgement, alas a National Holiday. What message do you think that is sending?

In no way shape or form am I suggesting that all Transgender affiliated people are going to shoot anyone, but I am asking why is it wrong to put this man/lady in the same bucket as the other psychos that decide to kill other people instead of simply taking their own lives? Evil is evil, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion or gender.
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This is less and less about politics despite dick pic's strong effort to make it so even though I've seen him and others blame Republicans for this actual incident as well as others.
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Dude, enough with your ********. I did no such thing you fvcking liar
 
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I've never seen you this mad at a shooter before. By this point after other shootings, you've offered your thoughts and prayers, complained about open doors and gun laws and then moved on. What gives?
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Lolz....really? So now you're accusing me of only caring because I want the Trans person to be treated the same as the other shooters? You continue to be astute

Make no mistake, I support more gun laws. I am a big 2A person but I support making it way more challenging to buy weapons and I think there is common ground to be found once everyone stops playing politics and finds laws that can actually be implemented but who's going to do that on either side? Don't come back and tell me the dems are at the table......they aren't at the table no more than the pubs are. I went through two sniper schools in the military and I don't have a single weapon in my house, not one.

You know exactly what the media and the Whitehouse are doing right now......you should be angry too because if you don't think this is all cyclical, you're way out of your depth.
 
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jakefest said:
Sure buddy, you'd take a day off of work if you thought you needed some extra time to find a way to stick it to the other party.
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Don't dodge the accusation you made - Prove it!

Not kidding man, you're going too far to make your points nowadays and it's sickening.
 
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Well the topic was thoughts and prayers by the OP but we are talking about a transgender person that shot and killed some children. If you want to discuss sexual assaults in churches, happy to actually join forces with you but I wasn't aware it was part of the conversation. Personally, I don't go to church but happy to chuck sexual predators in jail the same as I am transgender shooters that target shooters. Make sense?

I think the issue is a bunch of ******** have pushed the boundaries for several years now and most of America continued to move the line in the sand to accommodate but the line has been moved too many times and the average American has had enough now. This is less and less about politics despite dick pic's strong effort to make it so even though I've seen him and others blame Republicans for this actual incident as well as others.

The consensus after the Uvalde shooting and the Buffalo shooting as a response from the American people was that it was sickening and if they aren't already dead, they should be at first possible opportunity.......the response post Nashville from the media, some folks on this board and the whitehouse has been that he/she was a victim too and we shouldn't rush to judgement, alas a National Holiday. What message do you think that is sending?

In no way shape or form am I suggesting that all Transgender affiliated people are going to shoot anyone, but I am asking why is it wrong to put this man/lady in the same bucket as the other psychos that decide to kill other people instead of simply taking their own lives? Evil is evil, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion or gender.
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There are two things I have issues with that I want to address.
1. No one, as far as what i've seen in the media, has framed the shooter as the victim. Is there an article out there that says that? Yeah probably, but I don't tend to recognize shock articles as worth my time. What I've seen is the media say that the trans community might be under attack following this shooting. There is a difference between the two, and I find it hard to believe you can't recognize that difference.
2. Bringing the person's gender identity into question doesn't really serve a purpose unless you think that they committed this mass murder due to the fact that they're transgender. Did them being transgender increase the likelihood that they'd commit a mass murder? Was the shooting prompted due to violent bullying they received bc they were "different?" Idk any of these answers, and I'm hoping the manifesto, if they ever release it, will shed some light on the possible reasons behind the shooting.

The church comment was strictly meant to point out the hypocrisy in how the media has framed this. One drag show has a performer do something they shouldn't have, and now all drag shows in some states are under threat to be banned. Where's the same passion about protecting children from the dangers of the church?

This is all rhetorical, and not necessarily the best comparison, but it's the first that popped in my head when I hear about the fight against the trans community "for the sake of the youth."
 
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There are two things I have issues with that I want to address.
1. No one, as far as what i've seen in the media, has framed the shooter as the victim. Is there an article out there that says that? Yeah probably, but I don't tend to recognize shock articles as worth my time. What I've seen is the media say that the trans community might be under attack following this shooting. There is a difference between the two, and I find it hard to believe you can't recognize that difference.
2. Bringing the person's gender identity into question doesn't really serve a purpose unless you think that they committed this mass murder due to the fact that they're transgender. Did them being transgender increase the likelihood that they'd commit a mass murder? Was the shooting prompted due to violent bullying they received bc they were "different?" Idk any of these answers, and I'm hoping the manifesto, if they ever release it, will shed some light on the possible reasons behind the shooting.

The church comment was strictly meant to point out the hypocrisy in how the media has framed this. One drag show has a performer do something they shouldn't have, and now all drag shows in some states are under threat to be banned. Where's the same passion about protecting children from the dangers of the church?

This is all rhetorical, and not necessarily the best comparison, but it's the first that popped in my head when I hear about the fight against the trans community "for the sake of the youth."
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No evidence right?

 
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Seems that the Trans community agrees with the concealed carry idea..........I see she is repeating leftist media "genocide" statements......unhinged

 
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Leave the kids alone bro

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Its sad that someone as smart as you has a worldview informed by Libs of TikTok. The difference between me and you is that even though every day I see a new post about a Republican pedophile, I don't run to the board with those stories to try and paint you and all conservatives as kid molestors and distributors of kiddie porn. I could....but I don't.
 
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Its sad that someone as smart as you has a worldview informed by Libs of TikTok. The difference between me and you is that even though every day I see a new post about a Republican pedophile, I don't run to the board with those stories to try and paint you and all conservatives as kid molestors and distributors of kiddie porn. I could....but I don't.
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Why does it matter who posts the videos? The source shouldn’t matter, what matters is that the videos exist. It’s not an opinion piece, there are actual videos.

But why wouldn’t you post about pedophiles regardless of politics? Politics shouldn’t matter when it comes to children. Call them all out. It won’t stop until we get more aggressive against it.

A gender change decision should remain with the child and the parents. No one else should have a say in that until the child is 18.

If a 17 year graduates high school and wants to serve the country, they need written permission from parents. Same with marriage yet we think a school should be able to intervene in such a big decision?
 
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Why does it matter who posts the videos? The source shouldn’t matter, what matters is that the videos exist. It’s not an opinion piece, there are actual videos.

But why wouldn’t you post about pedophiles regardless of politics? Politics shouldn’t matter when it comes to children. Call them all out. It won’t stop until we get more aggressive against it.

A gender change decision should remain with the child and the parents. No one else should have a say in that until the child is 18.

If a 17 year graduates high school and wants to serve the country, they need written permission from parents. Same with marriage yet we think a school should be able to intervene in such a big decision?
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It matters when people like you consume it because you're unconcerned with the veracity of the videos and since the account has helped steer the outrage machine at the center of right-wing messaging and legislation, you'll spread these videos without shame and without regard to the harm it does to the majority in these groups who are completely innocent, in order to advance your ideological goals. You're lying if you say this isn't an attempt to sway political opinion because you know your party sucks ***.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/technology/tiktok-deepfakes-disinformation.html


 
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You'd think the party that likes to claim themselves as arbiters of child safety would look at the studies showing the decrease in depression and suicide attempts in youths that take gender affirming care.


There's always gonna be ******** that push boundaries and do things they shouldn't, for instance, your article listed earlier about the "lap dance" at the drag show. However, that's clearly not the norm, and is meant to obfuscate the conversation. You don't look at all the rapes and sexual assaults occurring in the Christian church and extrapolate that to every church, do you?
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jakefest said:
Why does it matter who posts the videos? The source shouldn’t matter, what matters is that the videos exist. It’s not an opinion piece, there are actual videos.

But why wouldn’t you post about pedophiles regardless of politics? Politics shouldn’t matter when it comes to children. Call them all out. It won’t stop until we get more aggressive against it.

A gender change decision should remain with the child and the parents. No one else should have a say in that until the child is 18.

If a 17 year graduates high school and wants to serve the country, they need written permission from parents. Same with marriage yet we think a school should be able to intervene in such a big decision?
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jakefest said:
Why does it matter who posts the videos? The source shouldn’t matter, what matters is that the videos exist. It’s not an opinion piece, there are actual videos.

But why wouldn’t you post about pedophiles regardless of politics? Politics shouldn’t matter when it comes to children. Call them all out. It won’t stop until we get more aggressive against it.

A gender change decision should remain with the child and the parents. No one else should have a say in that until the child is 18.

If a 17 year graduates high school and wants to serve the country, they need written permission from parents. Same with marriage yet we think a school should be able to intervene in such a big decision?
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Clarify how a school influences medical decisions for a 17 year old? The school can't sign documents with a surgeon, nor would they want that liability.

You guys continue to try to demonize education. There are some bad teachers, just like there are dumbasses on the right, doesn't make them all bad.

It also doesn't mean this is near as widespread as you think it is. Also, do t you guys preach local control of schools? Why not let that area handle their ****? Oh, wait, you only mean local control is you agree with what they want to do.
 
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It matters when people like you consume it because you're unconcerned with the veracity of the videos and since the account has helped steer the outrage machine at the center of right-wing messaging and legislation, you'll spread these videos without shame and without regard to the harm it does to the majority in these groups who are completely innocent, in order to advance your ideological goals. You're lying if you say this isn't an attempt to sway political opinion because you know your party sucks ***.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/technology/tiktok-deepfakes-disinformation.html


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The same political outrage machine as Jamal Bowman having someone record him screaming blame at Republicans as they left the chambers last week? The one posted all over the usual outlets? That type of outrage machine?

The left has been actually quite amazing at the outrage machine since 2016 and it’s worked incredibly well for them.

The rest of your post is just word salad
 
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Clarify how a school influences medical decisions for a 17 year old? The school can't sign documents with a surgeon, nor would they want that liability.

You guys continue to try to demonize education. There are some bad teachers, just like there are dumbasses on the right, doesn't make them all bad.

It also doesn't mean this is near as widespread as you think it is. Also, do t you guys preach local control of schools? Why not let that area handle their ****? Oh, wait, you only mean local control is you agree with what they want to do.
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Those teachers could be very good at teaching core curriculum, just not sure why they need to teach anything other than that. Am I missing something?

If it wasn’t happening then I don’t think there would have been so much backlash over the Florida laws restricting any intro into curriculum until a certain age. No?


 
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The same political outrage machine as Jamal Bowman having someone record him screaming blame at Republicans as they left the chambers last week? The one posted all over the usual outlets? That type of outrage machine?

The left has been actually quite amazing at the outrage machine since 2016 and it’s worked incredibly well for them.

The rest of your post is just word salad
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We should be mad at Bowman because he's sick and tired of children dying due to the intransigence of the party that poses with guns in their Christmas cards, wear AR-15 lapel pins and passes permit-less open carry laws? We're supposed to be mad at HIM? SMFH, your priorities are whack.
 
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Those teachers could be very good at teaching core curriculum, just not sure why they need to teach anything other than that. Am I missing something?

If it wasn’t happening then I don’t think there would have been so much backlash over the Florida laws restricting any intro into curriculum until a certain age. No?


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Do you want your party to be identified with what the most extreme examples say or do? I mean, I could build a website myself and post hundreds of videos about what ****** up MAGA teachers do - if I wanted to. Would that mean it was a widespread issue or would I be trying to create a false narrative?


 
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jakefest said:
Those teachers could be very good at teaching core curriculum, just not sure why they need to teach anything other than that. Am I missing something?

If it wasn’t happening then I don’t think there would have been so much backlash over the Florida laws restricting any intro into curriculum until a certain age. No?


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That law in Florida was solely to fire up the right. I seem to remember during the height of the QAnon times the right was consumed by #savethechildren. Don't think I've heard about that in a while.

And the left does the same thing. We all can sit here and post videos of idiots all over the political spectrum, it doesn't mean it's widespread,or worth making laws about.
 
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We should be mad at Bowman because he's sick of tired of children dying due to the intransigence of the party that poses with guns in their Christmas cards, wear AR-15 lapel pins and passes permit-less open carry laws? We're supposed to be mad at HIM? SMFH, your priorities are whack
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You just accused the right of
being an outrage machine, but what Bowman did was just that.

If he was motivated to fix things, he’d privately reach across the aisle and ask for more structured meetings and dialogue, not take a video of him blaming republicans for deaths they aren’t responsible for and then blasting it all over the media.
 
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Do you want your party to be identified with what the most extreme examples say or do? I mean, I could build a website myself and post hundreds of videos about what ****ed up MAGA teachers do - if I wanted to. Would that mean it was a widespread issue or would I be trying to create a false narrative?


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Is it happening or not? You said it wasn’t, now you’re saying it’s not widespread. Let me know once you know.

And no, I don’t associate the far left with the middle but some on here don’t think this is far left……let that sink in.
 
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You just accused the right of
being an outrage machine, but what Bowman did was just that.

If he was motivated to fix things, he’d privately reach across the aisle and ask for more structured meetings and dialogue, not take a video of him blaming republicans for deaths they aren’t responsible for and then blasting it all over the media.
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He was arguing with THIS guy! This is the guy you SHOULD be ouraged with if you had a soul.

 
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Is it happening or not? You said it wasn’t, now you’re saying it’s not widespread. Let me know once you know.

And no, I don’t associate the far left with the middle but some on here don’t think this is far left……let that sink in.
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I'm on the left and I know thousands of others on the left and we're all decent people who believe in wrong and right. I have never heard anyone advocate for teachers being allowed to help children transition without their parent's knowledge. But I also know a teacher can't help a student medically transition and if they did, they should be fired. My other question would be why is a child afraid to discuss their feelings with their own parent? Because people like you and the media have scared them into keeping it to themselves until they commit suicide because no one cares to understand how they feel. This is a lot more complex than your extreme, cartoonish examples suggest.
 
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He was arguing with THIS guy! This is the guy you SHOULD be ouraged with if you had a soul.

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They are law abiding citizens that didn’t kill anyone. They followed their state laws.

Also, that’s a Christmas photo……the AR15 pins being worn to the floor, I’d argue is not appropriate given the circumstances much like a Transgender holiday the same week as the shooting.
 
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They are law abiding citizens that didn’t kill anyone. They followed their state laws.

Also, that’s a Christmas photo……the AR15 pins being worn to the floor, I’d argue is not appropriate given the circumstances much like a Transgender holiday the same week as the shooting.
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What kind of message does that card send? Is it a good one?

I reasearched it and the "holiday" you're so spun up about has been happening for 10 years it appears, so it was coincidental that it happened after the shooting. It was not planned as a result of the shooting. For such a smart guy, it's a shame you spend so much time wallowing around in the gutter.

 
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What kind of message does that card send? Is it a good one?

I reasearched it and the "holiday" you're so spun up about has been happening for 10 years it appears, so it was coincidental that it happened after the shooting. It was not planned as a result of the shooting. For such a smart guy, it's a shame you spend so much time wallowing around in the gutter.

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Whatever message they want it to send, it’s their Christmas card not yours or anyone else’s. Maybe they are members of a shooting club or maybe they only sent it out to their close friends and family.

How can you advocate for me to abide by a self defined pronoun and get visibly upset when I don’t but you’re not ok with a personal choice Christmas card? You’re twisting yourself in knots
 
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