Nashville and COVID

[ronpolk]

I saw on twitter where emails have been found between the mayor and health department talking about the lack of cases linked back to broadway and bars. The emails go on to discuss how they wouldn’t release that information to the public.

Perfect example of why people don’t trust government.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

In their defense, there is a certain amount of controlling the message that is necessary. If it painted wrongly, then people would flock back to the bars in droves and cases may spike.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Cooper is nothing short of a crook. Clay Travis crushes him daily.

He may be the 2nd mayor in a row forced to resign. And yet, these buffoons will just re-elect another Democrat when the time comes.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Cooper is nothing short of a crook. Clay Travis crushes him daily.

He may be the 2nd mayor in a row forced to resign. And yet, these buffoons will just re-elect another Democrat when the time comes.

It's sad to see these great, growing cities like Nashville (and Austin from the thread the other day) already falling victim to Democratic liberal nonsense which is already starting to lead to their demise. It's like they don't learn from history.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

That's true. City government was in a damned if you do, and damned if you don't moment, and they chose the option where there would likely be fewer cases.

That said, Nashville's businesses in that part of town had better get some sort of tax relief and I'm sure they will (or if they do already-- that it will be increased).

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

In their defense, there is a certain amount of controlling the message that is necessary. If it painted wrongly, then people would flock back to the bars in droves and cases may spike.

Then don’t paint the message wrongly, correct?

You can always quality a statement with being cautious and trying to prevent a spike, just be open and honest.

 

[ronpolk]

In their defense, there is a certain amount of controlling the message that is necessary. If it painted wrongly, then people would flock back to the bars in droves and cases may spike.

I don’t disagree with that at all. But they can be honest and then use that as validation to keeping bars reduced is a strategy that is working.

This is just a bad look in my opinion. But I don’t disagree with them wanting to keep bar attendance limited.

 

[Indognito]

We just moved out of Nashville after 23 years. Nashville was a great town for a long time. The effects of inept or worse Metro government administrations over time has caught up with them. I believe they are on track to become like other cities with similar political bases.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

I saw on twitter where emails have been found between the mayor and health department talking about the lack of cases linked back to broadway and bars. The emails go on to discuss how they wouldn’t release that information to the public.

Perfect example of why people don’t trust government.

It makes no sense for them to do that. The fact is, all bars in Nashville are closed unless they also serve food and then it's the usual protocol to enter. So it makes sense that no significant COVID out breaks would be traced back to the bars. I was there a month ago and it was DEAD. So if anything, they should be tooting their horns over it because it would seem to indicate they're doing things right.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Then don’t paint the message wrongly, correct?

You can always quality a statement with being cautious and trying to prevent a spike, just be open and honest.

You are talking about the same populace that really thought Trump said to pour bleach up their bunghole. Then you have the media spin on top of that. The way they've taken Fauci's comments out of context has been criminal.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

I mean... they could just say "due to the precautions we are taking and continue to take, few cases have been linked back to broadway."

Let people know while also deterring a flood of folks to that area.

 

[ronpolk]

It makes no sense for them to do that. The fact is, all bars in Nashville are closed unless they also serve food and then it's the usual protocol to enter. So it makes sense that no significant COVID out breaks would be traced back to the bars. I was there a month ago and it was DEAD. So if anything, they should be tooting their horns over it because it would seem to indicate they're doing things right.

But coming out with this info is proof that things are working or as you said tooting their own horn. My problem is not with bars being shut down. It’s that they intentionally suppressed this information.

The last time the government was misleading with us about this, it was about mask. And that battle is still being fought because they came out and said they were not helpful. Just be honest with people.

 

[Cooterpoot]

The mayor used Covid as an excuse to increase taxes like 40%. That's why they didn't tell the public.

 

[Drebin]

We just moved out of Nashville after 23 years. Nashville was a great town for a long time. The effects of inept or worse Metro government administrations over time has caught up with them. I believe they are on track to become like other cities with similar political bases.

Folks in Nashville need only to look about 200 miles to the west along I-40 to see what the future of their city looks like.

 

[Drebin]

The mayor used Covid as an excuse to increase taxes like 40%. That's why they didn't tell the public.

And this is exactly why this is a scandal.

 

[Indognito]

Nashville's economy is primarily based on entertainment and tourism. The new tax increase will go toward a new transportation plan which will not be approved on a referendum by the populace/tax payers because "it's already in the budget" due to the new taxes. Meanwhile the rainy day fund wasn't touched if I remember correctly. Who will be awarded those contracts? I'll bet you can guess.

When you see a Metro bus you can bet on no more than 5 passengers. Yeah, Nashville really needs a new transportation plan and an exorbitant cost. Amazing.

 

[johnson86-1]

It's sad to see these great, growing cities like Nashville (and Austin from the thread the other day) already falling victim to Democratic liberal nonsense which is already starting to lead to their demise. It's like they don't learn from history.

It really is an interesting phenomenon. I sort of get cities changing tacks when they've been really successful. It's at least plausible that the same regulatory and policy approach that allowed your city to prosper might not be appropriate when you get to a larger size, and then there is the natural tendency of established parties to want to pull the ladder up after them so to speak, and protect their position and stop the city from continuing to change now that they have what they want.

But it's interesting to me that it seemingly goes hand in hand with adopting national democratic policies and electing particularly corrupt politicians, when just the average level of corruptness would easily be born by the city. Is it cities are more attractive to people with those tendencies? Does dense population make people more receptive to collectivist policies? Even if that's the case, why can't normally corrupt politicians prosper? You have the occasional Guiliana or Bloomberg, but the Deblasio, Wheeler, and Lightfoot seem to be par for the course. Just a weird phenomenon to me.

 

[Felonious Junk]

That’s completely untrue for myriad reasons. I grew up in Memphis and have lived in Nashville for the last ten years. They aren’t just different cities they’re totally different geographical regions.

The greatest detriment to improvement in Memphis has always been a higher rate of poverty and more importantly it’s trapped in the corner of the state where a large part of its workforce can live in Arkansas or Mississippi.

Memphis’ population is largely organic with a lesser percentage of transplants. Nashville is a city with growth in all directions around the city and a large percentage of people moving in from around the country. The personalities of the cities are completely different and have never been similar even before Nashville boomed.

They aren’t on similar trajectories in any way.

 

[Drebin]

That’s completely untrue for myriad reasons. I grew up in Memphis and have lived in Nashville for the last ten years. They aren’t just different cities they’re totally different geographical regions.

The greatest detriment to improvement in Memphis has always been a higher rate of poverty and more importantly it’s trapped in the corner of the state where a large part of its workforce can live in Arkansas or Mississippi.

Memphis’ population is largely organic with a lesser percentage of transplants. Nashville is a city with growth in all directions around the city and a large percentage of people moving in from around the country. The personalities of the cities is completely different and has never been similar even before Nashville boomed.

They aren’t on similar trajectories in any way.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Nashville has tons of built in advantages that Memphis doesn't have and you mention them. But I'm speaking in terms of city management and crime. Nashville is headed in the wrong direction. The suburbs have exploded around Nashville and will continue to do so. Then it becomes a downward spiral where the city tax base erodes and it starts to show up in infrastructure, crime rates, etc. Nashville has a hollywood-esque appeal to it and obviously a huge night life so it's not anything that's going to happen overnight, but it would be foolish to ignore it.

 

[Xenomorph]

17 that. Just tell me the truth and let me decide how to live my life.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

It really is an interesting phenomenon. I sort of get cities changing tacks when they've been really successful. It's at least plausible that the same regulatory and policy approach that allowed your city to prosper might not be appropriate when you get to a larger size, and then there is the natural tendency of established parties to want to pull the ladder up after them so to speak, and protect their position and stop the city from continuing to change now that they have what they want.

But it's interesting to me that it seemingly goes hand in hand with adopting national democratic policies and electing particularly corrupt politicians, when just the average level of corruptness would easily be born by the city. Is it cities are more attractive to people with those tendencies? Does dense population make people more receptive to collectivist policies? Even if that's the case, why can't normally corrupt politicians prosper? You have the occasional Guiliana or Bloomberg, but the Deblasio, Wheeler, and Lightfoot seem to be par for the course. Just a weird phenomenon to me.

It's just human nature in my opinion. Once you reach a certain level of decadence, you start worrying about **** that doesn't matter, and start indulging in the 'self' (that's as far as I really want to go there, don't want to bring the trolls out).

 

[Captain Ron]

17 that. Just tell me the truth and let me decide how to live my life.

No. Because if you go to a bar and don’t get 51% food, you might get it. Then if you get it, you might give it to someone else.***

Now, if you order 51% food, that is acceptable even though you still may get it and transmit it to some else. 49% food? You are a bad, selfish person.*****

 

[ckDOG]

If that's true, this article is clickbait and sensationalized

It makes no sense for them to do that. The fact is, all bars in Nashville are closed unless they also serve food and then it's the usual protocol to enter. So it makes sense that no significant COVID out breaks would be traced back to the bars. I was there a month ago and it was DEAD. So if anything, they should be tooting their horns over it because it would seem to indicate they're doing things right.

If bars are closed and restaurants restricted, it makes sense there are lower contract tracing numbers sourced there. That's the point. There is no incentive to "hide" that. If you are a user of the metrics and you see the noticeable lack of bars and restaurants on the list, a half intelligent person would be able to infer that those Covid traces aren't driving the local numbers. There's nothing scandalous about that.

Reminds me of the the local station in Florida that found some labs that had errors in their metrics and they wrote an article inferring the whole system was rigged (and naturally a thread here followed suggesting shenanigans). When I pulled the database the errors they found and of that type influenced the state numbers by a fraction of 1 percent so it was just a bunch of rabble rousing.

 

[mstateglfr]

Then don’t paint the message wrongly, correct?

You can always quality a statement with being cautious and trying to prevent a spike, just be open and honest.

17 that. Just tell me the truth and let me decide how to live my life.

Agreed- leaders of government should be open, honest, and truthful. They should be cautions and try to prevent spikes of infection.
I couldnt agree more. I wish we had more leaders like this.

 

[msstate7]

If bars are closed and restaurants restricted, it makes sense there are lower contract tracing numbers sourced there. That's the point. There is no incentive to "hide" that. If you are a user of the metrics and you see the noticeable lack of bars and restaurants on the list, a half intelligent person would be able to infer that those Covid traces aren't driving the local numbers. There's nothing scandalous about that.

Reminds me of the the local station in Florida that found some labs that had errors in their metrics and they wrote an article inferring the whole system was rigged (and naturally a thread here followed suggesting shenanigans). When I pulled the database the errors they found and of that type influenced the state numbers by a fraction of 1 percent so it was just a bunch of rabble rousing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox17....ille-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

It's their emails

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

The mayor used Covid as an excuse to increase taxes like 40%. That's why they didn't tell the public.

34% increase in property taxes.... him and the city council passed it in an “emergency” midnight meeting....Cooper is nothing but a liberal sleeze..

 

[SwampDawg]

In their defense, there is a certain amount of controlling the message that is necessary. If it painted wrongly, then people would flock back to the bars in droves and cases may spike.

"The truth? You can't handle the truth!"

 

[ckDOG]

I read them. Did you?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox17....ille-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

It's their emails

You've fallen victim to fake news and emotionally responding to a reporter highlighting key words and inserting big words that make you feel like you've been lied to.

Take a step back and big picture this. The complaint here is that that the city is intentionally hiding the lack of cases at bars and restaurants (also completely ignoring the statement about avoiding singling our certain bars). Repeat...hiding the lack of cases. How do you hide what doesn't exist? There's no risk in that. People still have the ability to see the data presented and say "well I don't see anything happening at the bars, why can't we open them up?". You could have made that inference and asked that question had you never seen these emails. Your worry should be if they dropped figures from the opposite perspective (actual risk areas not being reported).

All that said, there's a valid question to be asked to the Mayor's office. "Are we overly burdening bars and restaurants based on the lack of cases traced there?" That can and should be asked regardless of the low number being reported or not - in either case, it becomes obvious the numbers aren't there to indicate a major source of transmission. The reporter would be better serving the community by asking that question instead of hyping up a conspiracy to fudge data.

 

[L4Dawg]

No. Because if you go to a bar and don’t get 51% food, you might get it. Then if you get it, you might give it to someone else.***

Now, if you order 51% food, that is acceptable even though you still may get it and transmit it to some else. 49% food? You are a bad, selfish person.*****

When beer first became legal in Starkville back in 1981 it was that way. It may still be. THINK a little bit about the rational behind it.

 

[GloryDawg]

34% increase in property taxes.... him and the city council passed it in an “emergency” midnight meeting....Cooper is nothing but a liberal sleeze..

They increased it to 34% or an additional 34%?

 

[ronpolk]

They increased it to 34% or an additional 34%?

I’m not from Nashville but from what I’ve read, it’s a 34% property tax increase.

 

[SheltonChoked]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Nashville has tons of built in advantages that Memphis doesn't have and you mention them. But I'm speaking in terms of city management and crime. Nashville is headed in the wrong direction. The suburbs have exploded around Nashville and will continue to do so. Then it becomes a downward spiral where the city tax base erodes and it starts to show up in infrastructure, crime rates, etc. Nashville has a hollywood-esque appeal to it and obviously a huge night life so it's not anything that's going to happen overnight, but it would be foolish to ignore it.

Cool story Bro, Too bad it's not true.

The Crime rate in Nashville has gone down. For Violent Crime and Property Crimes.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/...ville TN crime rate,a 1.91% decline from 2014.

 

[Drebin]

Cool story Bro, Too bad it's not true.

The Crime rate in Nashville has gone down. For Violent Crime and Property Crimes.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/...ville TN crime rate,a 1.91% decline from 2014.

Well, this post is a huge swing and a miss, but unsurprising, given your track record.

"With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, Nashville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 19."

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tn/nashville/crime

Even if your post was true, it would be helpful if you posted something more recent than four-plus years ago. But it's still not true regardless. Apparently you didn't even read your own link.

"The Nashville TN crime rate for 2017 was 1138.17 per 100,000 population, a 3.25% increase from 2016. The Nashville TN crime rate for 2016 was 1102.31 per 100,000 population, a 0.12% increase from 2015."

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

You used data from almost 4 years ago.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Cool story Bro, Too bad it's not true.

The Crime rate in Nashville has gone down. For Violent Crime and Property Crimes.

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/...ville TN crime rate,a 1.91% decline from 2014.

Shoulda edited, pal. PWN3D

This shows the lengths these liberal idiots will go to push an agenda. I mean, wow.

 

[SheltonChoked]

You used data from almost 4 years ago.

What's the most recent data?

It fell again in 2018..https://fox17.com/news/local/violen...see-cities-mixed-bag-for-other-crimes-per-fbi

[FONT=&quot]Nashville -the state's most-populous city- had the second-highest rates in the state but showed decreases in nearly every category. Violent crime rates dropped from 624.9 to 599.1 per 100k, the murder rate held at 7.8 (the same as 2017), rape offenses dropped from 47 to 45.9, aggravated assault dropped by nearly two points, and property crimes dropped from 439.4 to 416.5.[/FONT]

 

[SheltonChoked]

Well, this post is a huge swing and a miss, but unsurprising, given your track record.

"With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, Nashville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 19."

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tn/nashville/crime

Even if your post was true, it would be helpful if you posted something more recent than four-plus years ago. But it's still not true regardless. Apparently you didn't even read your own link.

"The Nashville TN crime rate for 2017 was 1138.17 per 100,000 population, a 3.25% increase from 2016. The Nashville TN crime rate for 2016 was 1102.31 per 100,000 population, a 0.12% increase from 2015."

OHHH That fine source "Neighborhood scout". Too bad your source still show that Crime is decreasing in Nashville year over year.

That means it's getting better.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Shoulda edited, pal. PWN3D

This shows the lengths these liberal idiots will go to push an agenda. I mean, wow.

Nope. Idiot, in 2005, the crime rate in Nashville was 1,161/100,000. It's lower than that now. Therefore, there is less crime.



I'm not your "pal".

 

[BiscuitEater]

Mayor should resign today or be run out of town. He has personally affected thousands of lives.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

It's sad to see these great, growing cities like Nashville (and Austin from the thread the other day) already falling victim to Democratic liberal nonsense which is already starting to lead to their demise. It's like they don't learn from history.

Austin is a dump