Myocarditis
- Thread starter Alan Smithee_rivals156293
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Who the hell cares about wrestling being doomed with this information!!! If this is borne out correct in other locations, the effort should not be to preserve the season but to protect the student athletes from this potentially lethal, or crippling, virus. I doubt the parents who are up in arms had any awareness of these stats.
Myocarditis is not the only cardiac problem caused by COVID . Many patients (although typically older than college age and with other symptoms) have heart damage that causes reduced function of the left ventricle (ie the heart pumps reduced amount of blood).
It’s valid to worry about players’ heart conditions long term ... but it’s meaningless to come from a conference that clearly doesn’t give a **** about MUCH more concrete evidence of brain damage to these kids from playing football, IMO. In other words ... whoever cites something like this and is a decision maker is covering their ***, they don’t care about player safety.
They're saying that the Big Ten is using MRIs to check for myocarditis. Who knows what the NFL is using but maybe a simple echo?
Sebastianelli is an orthopedic surgeon. I'm surprised he commented. Cardiac stuff isn't really in his wheelhouse.
There are a bunch of medical specialty jokes where an orthopedic surgeon's only understanding of the heart is that it pumps antibiotics to the bones.
MRI is more sensitive for detecting myocarditis than echo. Since this is a novel virus, it is too early to speculate about how many young athletes(if any) will have permanent damage (maybe if there is a cardiologist on the board he or she could comment).
Also good point(previous post) about permanent neurologic side effects from football (chronic traumatic encephalopathy is the medical term)
Also good point(previous post) about permanent neurologic side effects from football (chronic traumatic encephalopathy is the medical term)
Makes more sense. I cant imagine where the 35% came from unless it is an orthopedic interpretation of statistics?? That an orthopedic surgeon states cardiac issues is like Trump's current advisor on COVID , a radiologist, commenting and guiding on infectious disease issues.
I spoke with a Pulmonologist in Savannah in March, when this whole thing was starting to blow up. He said calmly that 40% of people who get COVID-19 will suffer lung problems later in life.
Sebastianelli is director of athletic medicine at PSU and merely indicating what MRI shows..not necessarily claiming expertise
Heart problems are very common in COVID patients. A study in JAMA Cardiology in July indicated that MRI shows myocarditis in 60 % of patients and some type of cardiac issue in 78% of patients. This study was done on patients with significant COVID infections
The unknown is how many young athletes will have permanent damage to heart function
Heart problems are very common in COVID patients. A study in JAMA Cardiology in July indicated that MRI shows myocarditis in 60 % of patients and some type of cardiac issue in 78% of patients. This study was done on patients with significant COVID infections
The unknown is how many young athletes will have permanent damage to heart function
I sure hope we can get back to normal soon. Maybe the Russian vaccine will work
I have a hunch 35 basis points (0.35%) got misinterpreted as 35%...
The more likely situation is that somebody told the good doctor something and said it with conviction, and he just regurgitated it thinking nobody would fact check him.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
The good doctor got a tongue lashing from the PSU football parents on a zoom call according to one of my partners who was on the call. She called him an "idiot".
The logical fallacy is there is like 10X the number of infected to confirmed (Probably 60 MM Americans to date). Of the 10% infected that tested positive, only a small percentage were hospitalized. Of those hospitalized, most had some sort of comorbidity that made them really sick.
The problem may very well be that myocarditis makes you vulnerable to to getting sick enough to being hospitalized by COVID and not the other way around.
The numerous people who are not hospitalized do not get MRI's so that's the majority. however, the long term effects are not really known since there has been no "long term" to measure them. That 45 % are asymptomatic and can spread the virus then precludes including them in any long term study since they may not be recognized unless there was a test that came back positive.
You make a really good point. I’m not downplaying the “unknown unknowns” of this disease, but I’m just saying the risk to 18-22 year-olds to date has been small so long as this group doesn’t become a vector of spread to more vulnerable populations. (Younger folks cannot and will not shrink wrap themselves forever...)
To date, most of such studies has been on the hospitalized and in hindsight the most vulnerable.
I also believe that football B1G football is awesome and critical to society’s existence and ability to function...
In the medical world, we refer to this as "talking out of his as$."
There's an old addage that's used to describe most orthopedic surgeons, probably most surgeons, "often wrong, never in doubt."
Critical to society's existence? Please let this be my sarcasm meter malfunctioning.
“A school without football is in danger of deteriorating into a medieval study hall.”
- Vince Lombardi
95% of all statistics posted online are made up. Based on a recent online poll, 95% of online polls are garbage as well.
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If the link does not work just Google Yahoo News + Post COVID heart. As a retired radiologist who keeps up with developments in imaging I can assure you that side effect from COVID are scary most often in elderly (like me) and people with pre-existing health issues but college age students are not immune
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...-was-a-black-hole-in-infected-cells/24617110/
If the link does not work just Google Yahoo News + Post COVID heart. As a retired radiologist who keeps up with developments in imaging I can assure you that side effect from COVID are scary most often in elderly (like me) and people with pre-existing health issues but college age students are not immune
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...-was-a-black-hole-in-infected-cells/24617110/