Murray State - NIT

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Up 52-32 on Tulsa. 11-17 from outside the arc.

Anyone think they good hosed a bit from the selection committee?

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I think they hosed themselves by choking against Belmont.

Beating up on other low and mid major non-NCAA teams is not making the case they deserved an AT LARGE bid.

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:
I think they hosed themselves by choking against Belmont.

Beating up on other low and mid major non-NCAA teams is not making the case they deserved an AT LARGE bid.

They didn't choke against Belmont, Belmont hit 16 threes many with someone draped around them. MSU won 25 in a row thats good in any league and yes they deserved to be in the NCAA tournament... and thats not just my opinion Seth Davis, Jay Bilas and Dickie V shared that opinion plus they are whipping Tulsa like a dog on their home floor.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by jrm693:

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:
I think they hosed themselves by choking against Belmont.

Beating up on other low and mid major non-NCAA teams is not making the case they deserved an AT LARGE bid.

They didn't choke against Belmont, Belmont hit 16 threes many with someone draped around them. MSU won 25 in a row thats good in any league and yes they deserved to be in the NCAA tournament... and thats not just my opinion Seth Davis, Jay Bilas and Dickie V shared that opinion plus they are whipping Tulsa like a dog on their home floor.

I heard Jay Bilas say the night of the Selection Show they did not deserve to be in as an at large based on their body of work.

And they threw the ball away up 1 late when there was no reason to do so. If UK does that in a game in this tournament and loses people on here will be throwing around the C word plenty.

 

[MO_Blue]

11:39 to go, and Murray barely clinging to a 25 point lead over Tulsa at Tulsa.

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by jrm693:

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:
I think they hosed themselves by choking against Belmont.

Beating up on other low and mid major non-NCAA teams is not making the case they deserved an AT LARGE bid.

They didn't choke against Belmont, Belmont hit 16 threes many with someone draped around them. MSU won 25 in a row thats good in any league and yes they deserved to be in the NCAA tournament... and thats not just my opinion Seth Davis, Jay Bilas and Dickie V shared that opinion plus they are whipping Tulsa like a dog on their home floor.

I heard Jay Bilas say the night of the Selection Show they did not deserve to be in as an at large based on their body of work.

And they threw the ball away up 1 late when there was no reason to do so. If UK does that in a game in this tournament and loses people on here will be throwing around the C word plenty.

Are you any kin to Octavouis Ellis you remind me of him.

This post was edited on 3/23 10:32 PM by jrm693

 

[KyFaninNC]

You could make a point they got hosed, BUT, they should have taken care of business, and won the game against Belmont.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Murray State is really in a slump in the 2nd half.

I hated seeing them not getting in after going undefeated in the regular OVC season.
Not a big fan of winning a conference tourney wins a bid. You could be a dead last team in the conference standings
then get a hot streak.

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

Yet EVERY year there are upsets in the tourney. The 2 and 3 seeds KNOW that it happens, the coaches have plenty of time to prepare. But somehow, despite the RPI, SOS, and any other metric where these lowly 14 and 15 seed teams would NOT have made the dance if not for the automatic bid, down goes a high seed.

Give me Murray any day - they could have been this years Cinderella.

 

[marshalfan]

I have got think after Alabama strikes out with Marshall they go after Prohm. Prohm has Alabama ties.

 

[3rex]

No. The OVC is & has always been a 1 bid league. They played no one. 0 top 50 wins. 1 top 100 win. They didn't have a single credible argument for making the Big Dance. They're playing well tonight, no doubt, but it's against an NIT team.

This post was edited on 3/23 10:46 PM by 3rex

 

[marshalfan]

Murray probably did not deserve a bid the way the tourney is currently set up. I would like to see the way the teams are picked changed. If you can't finish in the upper half of your conference you don't deserve an at large bid.

 

[Phil McKracken]

You can't convince me with any of your RPI, kenpom, bpi, BS, or POS numbers that Murray is not as good or better than at least 8+ teams that got at large bids

 

[3rex]

Then I would say you're not objective.

Name the 8 at large teams that Murray is better than.

 

[jrm693]

At the time of the Belmont game a team they had beaten twice during the regular season, they were ranked 25 in the nation. How could a 25 ranked team not be in a 68 team field logically. I believe what Bilas said rank them 1-68 and if a team gets beat out in its conference tourney that is in that ranking they should take the place of the lowest bubble team.

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

Rex - you just don't read or don't understand. The metrics are flawed or else we wouldn't have so many 13-15 seeds winning every year. Murray was ranked 24/25 in both polls so the coaches valued their accomplishments. Again, the major conf teams get the benefit of schedule strength and the opportunity to beat a decent team while OVC and other smaller conferences have few chances to boost their schedule strength based on the current metrics.

 

[3rex]

If Its me that doesn't read or understand then why is Murray playing in the NIT?

Maybe it's you that either doesn't understand or isn't objective....or both. How do metrics keep them from beefing up their schedule?
This post was edited on 3/23 11:00 PM by 3rex

 

[3rex]

Name 1 quality win on their resume.

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by 3rex:
Name 1 quality win on their resume.

How did they get ranked number 25? I believe I remember reading several posts on here talking about Kansas having the strongest schedule in the nation, how did that work out for them? You asked the poster above to name 8 yf teams Murray was better than, I would say Ole Miss, Hampton, Albany, Lafayette, Wofford, Texas Southern, Coastal Carolina and Buffalo. I believe they would beat Georgia as well and think they are on the level with several others.

 

[3rex]

Obviously you don't know what an "at large" team is... Hint: Hampton, and most of your list, isn't one of them.

I will ask again. Name 1 quality win on their resume.

This post was edited on 3/23 11:15 PM by 3rex

 

[marshalfan]

You can't use automatic qualifiers in your argument. There is absolutely no doubt they are better than all the 16 seeds and probably the 15 seeds. Those are not the teams they have to beat out for the spots.Murray had their chance to get some quality wins. Xavier blew them out, Valpo beat them soundly as well. I am a MSU fan and was very disappointed when they got beat , but by the way the tourney is picked the right decision was made. I really think more mid majors should be included and some very average major conference teams left out.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

lol there's a reason they were only a 3 seed in the NIT lol

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by 3rex:
Obviously you don't know what an "at large" team is... Hint: Hampton, and most of your list, isn't one of them.

I will ask again. Name 1 quality win on their resume.

This post was edited on 3/23 11:15 PM by 3rex

I missed the "at Large" part just like you keep missing the ranked 25 part, as I don't think either one of us is going to convince the other I am going to bed, and I am genuinely sorry you don't enjoy Murray State they are a very good team.

 

[3rex]

Lol...who said I don't enjoy Murray? I just got finished watching them.

Have a good night & I will just assume you were not able to give me 1 quality win.

 

[jrm693]

Originally posted by 3rex:
Lol...who said I don't enjoy Murray? I just got finished watching them.

Have a good night & I will just assume you were not able to give me 1 quality win.

You have a good night 3Rex too, at least we can agree on the big blue, and you never told me how they got ranked 25 with "no quality wins" . I do know that the way the selection is set up that no OVC team that doesn't win the tournament is going to get a bid, but I don't agree with it in a case like this where they are 16-0 in conference and have at one time second longest winning streak in nation at 25 and rise to the rank of 25. On a side note I have traveled to 8 UK games this season and Murrays arena is only 8 miles from my house and I haven't been in it in4 -5 years so I am not just a Murray homer but its just my thoughts they did enough to get in, sweet dreams I knew you would probably fire one more salvo and my curiosity got the best of me.

 

[Phil McKracken]

Davidson
UCLA
Purdue
Dayton
Ok. St
Providence
GA
St. Johns

...and I said as good or better. I would define as good meaning head to head, who wins. Murray could beat all these teams neutral site in a play in or tournament game.

 

[Bill Derington]

During Murray states early season losses, they had two starters out with injury. I don't know if it would've change the outcome in those games, but it could've. I do think they were better than many at large teams, hell, I think they could beat Louisville on a neutral court.

 

[Hjack]

Originally posted by 3rex:
Lol...who said I don't enjoy Murray? I just got finished watching them.

Have a good night & I will just assume you were not able to give me 1 quality win.

Well, if you consider teams who made the NCAA tournament as quality teams, Belmont.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

What quality wins did NMSU or NDSU have. Outside of having automatic bids
for being in small 8 team conferences, Maybe the OVC should break into then they can have 2 bids.
Would say Murray needs to add a few power 5 to help the OOC SOS.
This post was edited on 3/23 11:37 PM by Free_Salato_Blue

 

[marshalfan]

Originally posted by Bill Derington:
During Murray states early season losses, they had two starters out with injury. I don't know if it would've change the outcome in those games, but it could've. I do think they were better than many at large teams, hell, I think they could beat Louisville on a neutral court.

So you are saying MSU would have finished in the upper echelon of the ACC. No Way and I am Murray fan.

 

[3rex]

You might be right Phil. But then why doesn't Murray schedule any of those type teams to prove that point?

And I won't buy that noone will play them. Murray may have to go on the road to get some of these games & they should. As an OVC team they have to give up the attitude that teams from the power conferences should come to Murray or agree to a home & home.

 

[marshalfan]

Originally posted by 3rex:
You might be right Phil. But then why doesn't Murray schedule any of those type teams to prove that point?

And I won't buy that noone will play them. Murray may have to go on the road to get some of these games & they should. As an OVC team they have to give up the attitude that teams from the power conferences should come to Murray or agree to a home & home.

I am going to argue the other side now a little. Murray has more road wins this year than anyone else in the country.

 

[marshalfan]

Originally posted by 3rex:
You might be right Phil. But then why doesn't Murray schedule any of those type teams to prove that point?

And I won't buy that noone will play them. Murray may have to go on the road to get some of these games & they should. As an OVC team they have to give up the attitude that teams from the power conferences should come to Murray or agree to a home & home.

I am going to argue the other side now a little. Murray has more road wins this year than anyone else in the country.

 

[3rex]

Road wins against top 50, quality, teams?

 

[KopiKat]

Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:
Maybe the OVC should break into then they can have 2 bids.

reversing your cynicism one may find a supporting logic in that the OVC has expanded to 12 teams so at some point it would seem reasonable for the committee to consider inclusion of more than one on that basis.

As it stands the committee continues to use the OVC as just an opportunity to make a difficult job easier: One automatic bid. next! The sweet feeling of being able to quickly eliminate 11 teams from consideration. Laziness rewards laziness.

 

[marshalfan]

I agree they did not do enough to get in. I also really believe they are better off playing in the NIT. They got to host a game and play at least 3 and hopefully more. Personally as I have already stated I think too many very average major conference teams get in.

This post was edited on 3/23 11:46 PM by marshalfan

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

The 65-68th teams have a play in game. If you are in a lower level conference you have a few play in games. They are also known as your conference tournament. MSU is probably better than IU, but their schedule didn't allow them to showcase that, and they lost their play in game.

UK is the best team in the nation. I'm completely convinced of that, but if we lose a game now, we won't get to keep playing. We know that, and we accept that challenge. Murray surely knew they neede to win their conference tournament.

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

Murray doesn't demand a home/home w major conf teams!

 

[Phil McKracken]

1. I agree, they should schedule harder.
2. I never said they deserve to be in based on how the committee selects.

My argument goes to what the majority of talking heads harp on constantly when arguing at large bids...those should go to the best teams in the country and I feel MSU is one of those. They are a top 35 team imo.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

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This post was edited on 3/24 12:31 AM by Free_Salato_Blue