Mullen spoiled us at the QB position...

[DAWG61]

We've got 20 try hards worried about the QB position when the next guy in line is a 4* QB recruit that held an LSU offer and has over a half dozen MSU records despite only playing in 2.75 games. But but but he doesn't have a 65% completion rate.

 

[NWADawg]

And the guy behind him is a 4 star. And the new one coming in is a 4 star.

And whatever walkon we have running practice squad is better than guys we've had starting at QB during vroom years.

 

[fishwater99]

6 passing records? Please elaborate.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

KT was recruited for a Mullen offense. The reason people are concerned is because Moorhead saw him practice all fall and went all in on a grad transfer qb for next year. Also, LSU’s coaching staff wanting a qb is not a big deal considering their anemic qb play for the last 15 years or so.

 

[DAWG61]

6 passing records? Please elaborate.

Not just passing records. Go ahead and look up a better start to a MSU career stats wise than Keytaon has had in several different categories. Then remind yourself he was a true freshman and first game as a true sophomore during those games. I have no clue why Moorhead is looking elsewhere when really all he needs to focus on is getting Key to make quicker decisions, release the ball quicker and improve his accuracy. Seems like a much easier task than bringing in a brand new QB not used to his system at all.

 

[DAWG61]

KT was recruited for a Mullen offense. The reason people are concerned is because Moorhead saw him practice all fall and went all in on a grad transfer qb for next year. Also, LSU’s coaching staff wanting a qb is not a big deal considering their anemic qb play for the last 15 years or so.

To me this is more of an indictment on Moorhead as a poor QB developer than it is on Key not being able to run his system.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Not just passing records. Go ahead and look up a better start to a MSU career stats wise than Keytaon has had in several different categories. Then remind yourself he was a true freshman and first game as a true sophomore during those games. I have no clue why Moorhead is looking elsewhere when really all he needs to focus on is getting Key to make quicker decisions, release the ball quicker and improve his accuracy. Seems like a much easier task than bringing in a brand new QB not used to his system at all.

Maybe it has something to do with a 47% completion percentage against SFA, Ole Miss, and Louisville. 3 of the worst defenses that kid will ever see in his career.

 

[DAWG61]

Maybe it has something to do with a 47% completion percentage against SFA, Ole Miss, and Louisville. 3 of the worst defenses that kid will ever see in his career.

Cool he also threw for 364 yards on 13 completions vs SFA so I guess in order for you to be satisfied with his performance in that game for example he needed to have a 65% completion rate which woulda led to him throwing for 594 yards and 8 passing TDs (if you keep his ypc and tds/completions the exact same ratio). Pretty realistic there MSUDawgFan86 or maybe you can stop focusing on a meaningless stat of completion % when he's throwing for 364 yards and has 5 passing tds in a game we won 63-6. If we'd beat SFA 84-6 though then it's all gravy for you.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

He had 1 good game against a bad opponent

Let's build a 17ing statue.

 

[patdog]

Good lord, can we at least give Key a chance. He's done a hell of a lot more 2 years into his career than Dak and Fitz combined. And they turned out OK.

 

[paindonthurt_]

We can do both. Give Key a chance and land a big time senior transfer.

 

[thf24]

Mullen spoiled us at the "athlete to play QB specifically in his offense" position. If he'd actually spoiled us at the QB position, we'd probably have won 1-2 more games this year and wouldn't be worried about next year. Your point that it's not a position we've had to worry about in a while stands, though.

 

[patdog]

I agree. I'm glad Moorhead went after Kelly Bryant, and if he thinks Khalil Tate or Jalen Hurts if he transfers and would consider an SEC West school is worth the effort, he should go after one of them too. But if Key is the starter next year, I think we'll be OK.

 

[Seinfeld]

Agreed, but not because of his recruiting. I think he spoiled us with his uncanny ability to get 110% out of a QB, and I’m not sure there’s a better developer of talent in the country.

In this regard, the jury’s very much still out on Moorhead.

 

[DAWG61]

Let's build a 17ing statue.

So you're saying he didn't have a good game vs Ole Miss or Louisville too?

 

[WutheringDawg]

KT was recruited for a Mullen offense. The reason people are concerned is because Moorhead saw him practice all fall and went all in on a grad transfer qb for next year. Also, LSU’s coaching staff wanting a qb is not a big deal considering their anemic qb play for the last 15 years or so.

Being recruiting by a coach doesn't lock them into only having success in that coaches offense. Thompson came out of an offense that threw the hell out of the ball - and just because Bryant was an option doesn't necessarily mean that Moorhead has no faith in Thompson. It's very possible that a lack of a guarantee as the starter played a role in Bryant's decision to come here. Who knows.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Mullen has a unique ability of converting TEs and FBs to QB.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

I have no clue why Moorhead is looking elsewhere when really all he needs to focus on is getting Key to make quicker decisions, release the ball quicker and improve his accuracy. Seems like a much easier task than bringing in a brand new QB not used to his system at all.

Attention Moorhead, other other college coaches and NFL GMs: You've never thought about this before, but don't worry about looking for a better quarterback or one that better fits what you want to do on offense, just focus on getting the quarterback you have to be better or do something he's never done before.

You could have saved Joe a lot of wasted time had you just emailed him this idea at the beginning of the process.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

So you're saying he didn't have a good game vs Ole Miss or Louisville too?

He didn’t have a good game against Ole Miss. He had 3 turnovers that absolutely killed us. Louisville he did decent. This was all against horrendous defenses though. I’m not against the kid but he hasn’t shown me anything that makes me feel good about the QB position. I hope he goes on to win the Heisman.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

As a board, is SPS sold on the fact that Moorhead has moved on from KT and Mayden?

 

[RiverCityDawg]

As a board, is SPS sold on the fact that Moorhead has moved on from KT and Mayden?

Won't speak for the board, but I'm sold only on the fact that Moorhead at least has concerns over whether KT (or Mayden or Schrader) will be ready NEXT YEAR to be the guy we need at QB to accomplish the team's goals. I don't see how it can be any more or any less at this point without Joe himself or someone in his inner circle giving us an honest answer to your question (not that they should).

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Agreed. To me, KT is plenty capable. One of the best and highest rated qb recruits we have signed. No reason for him not to be good. That makes me worry about what Moorhead can actually do the take talent and develop it to what he wants. That will be one thing I miss about Mullen. He could take someone no one wanted at qb and turn them into a star at QB. It wouldn’t have surprised me had we gotten Bryant that Thompson transfer to other school and come back to beat our ***. Thompson is a good player. He wasn’t a Louisiana player of the year for nothing.

 

[archdog]

Key hasn't been the guy yet. Can we at least wait until he is the guy before we run him into the ground. Mark this down, as a backup he has done quite well.

So I will go one record, if Key would have started every game this year, he would be a completely different player than he is today, and during that transformation, he could grow to be the best qb to ever strap up for our team. He looks better throwing the ball today than Dak and Fitz during their 2nd year on campus.

If KT started every game this seasin, we may have 9 wins next to the team. So I am 100% on board with KT. Everyone needs to be patient.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

The only really good passing years we had were Dak's junior and senior years.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

No, sir. Go look at McSorely the past two years and look at him this year.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

He started out the 2nd half missing 8 straight passes. The 13 completions and 42% against SFA should be at least some cause for concern. I think KT will be fine and I'm confident in his ability, but he was only a true soph this year. Fitz didn't start until his RS Soph year and he was pretty bad especially at the beginning of that year. KT has shown he's a little turnover prone and against bad defenses, so the cause for concern is warranted. Fitz didn't turn the ball over at all down the stretch of the season. I think that bodes well for Moorhead's development of QBs.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

No. He's just very young and should have redshirted.

 

[NWADawg]

Maybe JoeMo has faith in one for next year but has no faith in a backup. . Maybe he was hoping to buy time with KB and let KT redshirt/ backup if needed. Injuries happen. Looking for a extra QB doesn't tell me he doesn't have faith in any current QB. It tells me he may not have faith in at least 2 of the QBs for next year.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

No, sir. Go look at McSorely the past two years and look at him this year.

look at Fitzgerald last season and look at him this season... I think he regressed under Moorhead.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

we passed efficiently enough last year that complimented a very strong running game. high efficiency passes based off the running game. which is what we should have done all this year.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Last year as in 2017 or this past season?

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Being recruiting by a coach doesn't lock them into only having success in that coaches offense. Thompson came out of an offense that threw the hell out of the ball - and just because Bryant was an option doesn't necessarily mean that Moorhead has no faith in Thompson. It's very possible that a lack of a guarantee as the starter played a role in Bryant's decision to come here. Who knows.

KB was not worried about being beaten out by KT. Missouri has a kid the same age rated just as high as KT coming back next year and it didn’t scare him away from them. KB didn’t come because there are more offensive pieces around him at Missouri, and their schedule is ten times easier. They will be favored in 10 games next year. If Moorhead had faith that KT was the guy he would not have risked the chance of him transferring if KB would have committed to us. KT has not been accurate at all throwing balls down the field. The ones he completed against SFA could have been completed by me. He was awful against OM and ok against Louisville. I hope he turns into Joe Montana. He is the guy next year for us and we need him to step up.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

2017. Nick has 117 passer rating. He was close to 56 percent, and our offense clicked and was able to actually score points on a regular basis. We made bama and lsu look foolish last year rushing and passing the ball. the passing game complimented what we did with the run. That is the attack we should have played this year, but we were determined to do something else several games.

 

[DAWG61]

He was awful against OM and ok against Louisville.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

I’m just going to assume you didn’t watch either game. He had 3 turnovers against Ole Miss and threw for 170 yards and a pick against Louisville. At least you got to use that dank meme though.

 

[DAWG61]

Conveniently leaves out rushing stats

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Conveniently leaves out rushing stats

You wanting to talk about rushing stats to prove how good of a game he had shows why Moorhead was looking for a grad transfer at his
position. We lost the OM game because of those turnovers on offense. we also lost it because our qb was taken out. It is not KT’s fault he had a terrible game but it was indeed terrible. Against Louisville, he played ok. It certainly is not the type of game Moorhead needs him to have to run his style of offense. Post another cute meme to try and cover up your football iq.

 

[Ranchdawg]

I believe that Dan Mullen is the best QB coach in the country. What he did for us at the QB position was monumental. With that said, I believe we will be fine at QB with our roster. Our coaching staff has a year to work with them and get them ready. I'm more worried about the OL and the DL than at QB. Any QB that doesn't have time to pass or hand the ball off will look bad and have a sorry efficiency rating.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Not really worried about D line. O line is where it’s going to hurt. We weren’t very good in pass pro this year and we will lose some there that won’t be easy to replace. I’m also thinking Marcus Johnson was the worst hire Moorhead made

 

[DAWG61]

You wanting to talk about rushing stats to prove how good of a game he had shows why Moorhead was looking for a grad transfer at his
position. We lost the OM game because of those turnovers on offense. we also lost it because our qb was taken out. It is not KT’s fault he had a terrible game but it was indeed terrible. Against Louisville, he played ok. It certainly is not the type of game Moorhead needs him to have to run his style of offense. Post another cute meme to try and cover up your football iq.

You sound like a real bad *** how you're continually calling a true freshman's performance terrible in his very first game. You know the game he was suddenly thrown into the fire vs a team that just intentionally broke Fitz ankle and was trying to hurt him too after he'd been standing on the sidelines for 4 straight months. Maybe you could find us a you're a dickhead with zero empathy meme.