Mullen is holding himself and team back.

[fishwater99]

He is too stubborn and thought he could coach the defense along with special teams and the offense.
Wonder why we keep losing defensive coordinators, could it be Mullen running them off?
Hire some competent staff and let them do their job.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

He is too stubborn and thought he could coach the defense along with special teams and the offense.
Wonder we we keep losing defensive coordinators, could it be Mullen running them off?

If he is then he needs a raise!! He is running the offense and defense and to most people still the special teams. That is a lot for a head coach. Can't recall any other head coach in the SEC do all of that and win 10 games. And also look at the fact that he has also ran 3 very good defenses with 3 different so called "DC". Heck until this year you could make the case that his defenses have actually been better than his offenses. That is impressive.

 

[fishwater99]

Your and idiot.
He only tried to coach defense for this bowl game.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Your and idiot.
He only tried to coach defense for this bowl game.

That's not what you were implying and you know it. You were inferring that he has been doing this for a long time by the running off DC's comment. That's plural and had nothing to do with just the bowl game. And you know Townsend was calling the game. You could even see him making the calls.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Great point****

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[was21]

Both Diaz and Collins took jobs that although were laterals many would say they were jobs that were a step up. That's a credit to Mullen not a knock on him. The first one he had Mullen ran off because he wasn't worth a damn. As long as someone else wants them and are willing to pay more, then it will be a continuing challenge. Starkvegas ain't for everybody, regardless of salary.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Both Diaz and Collins took jobs that although were laterals many would say they were jobs that were a step up. That's a credit to Mullen not a knock on him. The first one he had Mullen ran off because he wasn't worth a damn. As long as someone else wants them and are willing to pay more, then it will be a continuing challenge. Starkvegas ain't for everybody, regardless of salary.

I agree. It's becoming a vocal segment of our fanbase that wants to assertain that Mullen has always been too involved in our defense and that is a major problem. It is very flawed logic because if you believe this, then Diaz and now Collins got bigger opportunities strickly by riding Mullen's defensive coat-tails. I can't think of any coach that has been that successful on both sides of the ball.

 

[AFDawg]

I agree. It's becoming a vocal segment of our fanbase that wants to assertain that Mullen has always been too involved in our defense and that is a major problem. It is very flawed logic because if you believe this, then Diaz and now Collins got bigger opportunities strickly by riding Mullen's defensive coat-tails. I can't think of any coach that has been that successful on both sides of the ball.

+1

 

[fishwater99]

Mullen isn't coaching the defenses, he just limits what our DC can or can not do. I don't think he lets the DC have full control over the defense. Who do you think really came up with 1a and 1b? I saw it again last night, why?

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Mullen isn't coaching the defenses, he just limits what our DC can or can not do. I don't think he lets the DC have full control over the defense. Who do you think really came up with 1a and 1b? I saw it again last night, why?

He is so limiting that two of the last 3 DC got promotions?

 

[fishwater99]

I don't consider a lateral move a promotion. We could pay more if Dan asked for it. The money is there.

 

[KurtRambis4]

It's amazing

how people can take conjecture, with absolutely ZERO hard-evidence, and completely believe it as factual and the absolute truth.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

I don't consider a lateral move a promotion. We could pay more if Dan asked for it. The money is there.

Higher profiled programs came after our DC's. It's as close to a promotion without being named a Head Coach somewhere as you can get. Yeah we could have matched, but it didn't matter. The coaches were taking the higher profile job. Especially Diaz. And that has been documented and hashed over and over.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

how people can take conjecture, with absolutely ZERO hard-evidence, and completely believe it as factual and the absolute truth.

Agreed.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

So, what kind of salary will it take to get and keep a good defensive coordinator in Starkvegas now? I used to think 600 grand was a good number, but with the latest hires by SEC West competitors, it is looking like even 800k is relatively "cheap". Wow, the arms race is out of control.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

So, what kind of salary will it take to get and keep a good defensive coordinator in Starkvegas now? I used to think 600 grand was a good number, but with the latest hires by SEC West competitors, it is looking like even 800k is relatively "cheap". Wow, the arms race is out of control.

It's not the money. Yeah the arms race is crazy and we have to pay but when you have a Beamer - Foster or Patterson - Bumpas situation it's because they are both coaching the same side of the ball and are loyal to each other. We've seen that on Mullen's offensive side. It's not uncommon for the opposite side to have more turn over. Even Saban's OC have turned over. And 2 of the last 3 DC under Mullen have gone on to higher profiled programs. Unless he hits with a unique coach, if he is hiring well we SHOULD have DC turn over. This is not necessarily a negative thing but I really think he thought Collins was here for another year and that was why he did up the ante with Collins's salary last year. Just keep hiring well.