Mullen going after MSU Committ Pickering
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Why wouldn't he? He went after all our commits last year and Pickering is an elite national talent.
Pickering is solid though. He's not going anywhere. He and his family are all dawg.
Pickering is solid though. He's not going anywhere. He and his family are all dawg.
Everybody Diwon talked to convinced him. That’s why he committed to what 3 schools? You see where he is now right? Kid gonna get eligible in FL.
There are a lot of coaches that will go after good players. That's what happens when you actually have to make an effort to recruit.
And he's an opposing coach now. I don't get why people get so worked up about this kind of ****. James Franklin recruited all the Vanderbilt players to Penn State. It's just business. And the sooner we realize that, the sooner we win.
And he's an opposing coach now. I don't get why people get so worked up about this kind of ****. James Franklin recruited all the Vanderbilt players to Penn State. It's just business. And the sooner we realize that, the sooner we win.
Help me to understand. Was he or was he not a good recruiter? I never was impressed with what he did so this doesn’t really bother me. He may pull something off, but between what he did here and what he lost from FL’s last class, I’m doubtful on him doing much.
I think he was overall a decent recruiter but he just whiffed constantly in ways that made him feel fatally flawed- not landing quality Offensive line or wide receiver talent. Missing on local guys that at some point in their recruitment seemed like State locks - Johnson, Lashley (not including Brown)
There was a vibe that as his tenure lengthened, his annual job search was used as ammo against him to have guys poached from every class.
There was a vibe that as his tenure lengthened, his annual job search was used as ammo against him to have guys poached from every class.
I will say generally that the kids he did get seemed to stay out of trouble and most worked hard to develop into the best player they could be. There were exceptions but it seems like we stayed out of the runnings for the Fulmer trophy most years.
Because he's a LAZY, LAZY recruiter. Not worth his time to develop new relationships with FL HS players when he already has a relationship with a lot of the MS HS seniors. Eventually the MS relationships will dry up and he will have to get off his duff and build new ones down there. Dan loves to coach but he and his staff will always do the bare minimum needed to get by in recruiting. Luckily for him FL does sell itself somewhat still. Maybe not as much as during the Spurrier and Urban years but its still relatively easy to get decent talent to FL which is all Mullen cares about getting anyway.
I’m positive that the annual job searches hurt his recruiting, but I don’t think it was as much about other coaches using it against him as it was Mullen hindering himself.
All that said, there is honestly not any coach in the conference that I’m less worried about stealing one of our commits than I am with the Mullen/Hevesy duo
All that said, there is honestly not any coach in the conference that I’m less worried about stealing one of our commits than I am with the Mullen/Hevesy duo
Depends on your definition. Mullen recruits almost specifically to his own offensive needs. He is successful at that. He is also successful at finding leaders on the field. What he isnt very good at is relating to the kids. Hevesy is surprisingly pretty good at that, but might not be very good at relating to the kids when he coaches on the field. Mullen's best attribute is getting his recruiting staff on board with what he wants and not getting caught up in problem children with star power. I know, I know, those stars pan out at times, but many times they dont.
Bottom line, for what he does on offense, he's a pretty good recruiter and a good teacher of the qb position.
Yet many feel - and perhaps rightly so - that he left the most talented roster in MSU football history. How'd he do that?
During the 2014 run, he said it on the set of either Gameday or SEC Nation - if you are a prima donna and want it handed to you, this probably isn't the place for you.
Probably a pretty good approach, because we've all seen elite athletes with equally bad attitudes bring teams/programs to their knees.
By not following the 'chase the recruiting site stars' approach. For all Mullen's faults, he understands that he has to get kids who can accept his brand of coaching and he does that well. He obviously looks past some highly recruited kids if he thinks they wont fit his plan.
Mullens real problem is that few want to work for him as an assistant.
One thing that recruiting hacks like Rosebowl overlook and can't really comprehend is the importance of scouting a kid and determining the fit. Mullen is really good at that.
Most good leaders can be challenging to work for. Mullen has found a core with Hevesy, Gonzales and Knox which has given him some stability on that side of the ball. And he seems to have found a fit with Grantham and English on the defensive side. None of those guys are likely to be candidates for a HBC position so he might finally have at least half of his staff that is with him for the long haul.
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(1) He wasn't as bad as people say. He hated recruiting and it's hard to be great at anything you hate, but he wasn't awful.
(2) Recruiting is just as much if not more about assistant coaches. His biggest limitation was that b/c he hated recruiting, he accepted some less than stellar efforts from assistants in his inner circle, and he let Hevesy be Hevesy (although I think that was just as much a tradeoff for coaching ability). That said, we are extremely lucky Buckley swooped in and picked up Reese. We constantly played with fire with OL recruiting. Landing Reese and Eiland, both of whom were solid as RS freshmen, saved us from disaster.
(3) He and the staff were good at player development outside of WR. Part of this was I think they were a good evaluator of not just talent but character. The only character risks we took were for high ceiling guys. Basically Nick James, the Morton DL whose name escapes me, Justin Cox, Nick Brassel (not that he was ever really coming), a couple of the JUCO transfers. I don't think Simmons was really ever a character risk, but I'm also not sure we let him come to campus as a three star. There may be some I'm forgetting but we've had a pretty tame group.
You might want to earmark this post for almost immediate use, as people learn that we just flipped a Tulane 3 star offensive line commit.
Heavily weighted toward the defense. How many on our defense couldn't wait to play for Dan? How many grew up dreaming of playing for us or live close enough that their families and friends can come to games?
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