Mulder

[Cawood86_rivals]

Ok, let's do some math. Cal plays 7 - 8 guys. You have the five starters + Willis, Hawkins and Hump (Bam backup). That's 8. It's the end of the season. Mulder is not going to see much time. End of story.

You're right, he won't but he should. Teams are not even guarding Briscoe out deep. They are just sagging off waiting for him in the lane especially if he is trying to get it too Bam. At least with Mulder they have to come out and guard him. Opens up the lane.
Briscoe is the bulldog gear on a race car. 3 assists 6 turnovers tonight.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

Then he's done a poor job with this team.

Yes 23-5, 13-2 ranked 11th with 4 frosh and a soph is a poor job.

 

[Primedfor9]

He's got the best MOTOR on the team, he's not a good defender. If he is the best defender on this team, we won't make it out of the second round. Briscoe has never been a good defender. People just see the motor and think it's defense. It's not.

Exactly right, same with Hawkins early on, though he's been much better of late.

 

[mash_24]

Based on what , threes ? You want to take away Briscoes time when Mulder only does one thing better . Your argument is based on nothing factual but just your preference . If Mulder is centric to our tournament run then we are in trouble

Mulder rebounds very well when given the playing time and his defense is a good as any of our other guards. They are all poor defenders. Briscoe included. I don't see how anyone who has watched them could say otherwise.

 

[JohnBlue]

But there's no excuse in Mulder not getting more time considering we need the spacing and he's got a good per on this team.

Imo you're only seeing what you want. Everyone can't be the star and the best suited to be are those that start. Coaches don't want to lose game more than anything, even more than putting players in the league. Cal wouldn't have a job unless that were true.

This spacing thing is a myth too. You're not going to take Monk out of the game and defenses focus on Mulder more than the were with Monk. We had a lot less Briscoe tonight and nothing changed, if anything they played worse considering the competition.

 

[mash_24]

Yes 23-5, 13-2 ranked 11th with 4 frosh and a soph is a poor job.

That was ranked #2 preseason.

 

[morgousky]

I gave / give up.

See you boys against Florida.

 

[kybassfan]

I'll give you that. But he's been abused regardless. When Hubbs dominates you, you're not a good defender sorry.

I can only conclude you don't know good defense when you see it. You are arguing from a no proof possible position. Mulder is the 9th guy. Defense is a big reason for that. We're three games from the post season. It will not change at this point. The entire issue is moot.

Take solace in the hope you can argue would'a, could'a should'a all summer if it goes badly.

 

[morgousky]

Imo you're only seeing what you want. Everyone can't be the star and the best suited to be are those that start. Coaches don't want to lose game more than anything, even more than putting players in the league. Cal wouldn't have a job unless that were true.

This spacing thing is a myth too. You're not going to take Monk out of the game and defenses focus on Mulder more than the were with Monk. We had a lot less Briscoe tonight and nothing changed, if anything they played worse considering the competition.

Wait, before I give up again.... one thing you said.

If you were to see a game where Briscoe goes out, maybe fouls out, and the team performs better, would you reconsider?

Yes, this is a trick question.

 

[mash_24]

I can only conclude you don't know good defense when you see it. You are arguing from a no proof possible position. Mulder is the 9th guy. Defense is a big reason for that. We're three games from the post season. It will not change at this point. The entire issue is moot.

Take solace in the hope you can argue would'a, could'a should'a all summer if it goes badly.

Hell yea! And we've got a killer class coming in.

 

[kybassfan]

You're right, he won't but he should. Teams are not even guarding Briscoe out deep. They are just sagging off waiting for him in the lane especially if he is trying to get it too Bam. At least with Mulder they have to come out and guard him. Opens up the lane.
Briscoe is the bulldog gear on a race car. 3 assists 6 turnovers tonight.

A lot of guys had bad games tonight, including Mulder.

 

[morgousky]

I can only conclude you don't know good defense when you see it. You are arguing from a no proof possible position. Mulder is the 9th guy. Defense is a big reason for that. We're three games from the post season. It will not change at this point. The entire issue is moot.

Take solace in the hope you can argue would'a, could'a should'a all summer if it goes badly.

Ky, I am not the one confusing a motor for a sound skilled defender than can keep his man in front of him with good lateral quickness. Go back and watch the tennessee game. Pitiful.

Briscoe is not a good defender. You guys can pound it all you want, it's not reality.

 

[JohnBlue]

He's got the best MOTOR on the team, he's not a good defender. If he is the best defender on this team, we won't make it out of the second round. Briscoe has never been a good defender. People just see the motor and think it's defense. It's not.

That is crazy talk, he is a very good defender, that is why he is always on the other teams best player. Do you honestly think the coaching staff doesn't give flip about wining? That would be the only way to justify you're statement. If there were someone better they would be the one's guarding that guy each game no matter what Briscoe wanted.

Briscoe has enough flaws without trying to create more for him. I'll say it again, you should be asking why those you feel should play more are not stepping up to take the challenge. Why they don't play more is right in front of you. Kentucky is not hurting for offense, this is the highest scoring UK team since the 90's.

 

[kybassfan]

Hell yea! And we've got a killer class coming in.

Yeah, they said that last year and after 2012 too. It's getting pretty clear to me that the people ranking high school recruits have a lot in common with UMM.

 

[morgousky]

That is crazy talk, he is a very good defender, that is why he is always on the other teams best player. Do you honestly think the coaching staff doesn't give flip about wining? That would be the only way to justify you're statement. If there were someone better they would be the one's guarding that guy each game no matter what Briscoe wanted.

Briscoe has enough flaws without trying to create more for him. I'll say it again, you should be asking why those you feel should play more are not stepping up to take the challenge. Why they don't play more is right in front of you. Kentucky is not hurting for offense, this is the highest scoring UK team since the 90's.

Mulder would tell you he has, it doesn't matter. Actually, if you follow his twitter feed he's basically said just that.

 

[wildcat1515]

Rather than delete this game, I am going to go back and watch every one of his 9 mins and see what pisses Cal off so much. He was 3-6 from 3 last game, and 1-1 tonight, but the guy can't get PT to save his life.

Well atleast he will start next Tues for Sr. night. But I agree he should play more, he shoots good and goes after rebounds. Even Delk said after game Mulder should be on the floor because he is a good shooter and will open up the driving lanes.

 

[JohnBlue]

Wait, before I give up again.... one thing you said.

If you were to see a game where Briscoe goes out, maybe fouls out, and the team performs better, would you reconsider?

Yes, this is a trick question.

Tonight was that game. Did the team step up and blow the worst SEC team by 50? You know they didn't and you can't place all of that on Briscoe either.

 

[Xception]

Mulder rebounds very well when given the playing time and his defense is a good as any of our other guards. They are all poor defenders. Briscoe included. I don't see how anyone who has watched them could say otherwise.

It really comes down to people having an agenda against Briscoe and liking Mulder because he can hit threes . Mulders defense sucks and he doesn't do anything but hit threes but people love three point shooters . Given the opportunity to tell me what Mulder was better at than Briscoe and you had absolutely nothing , which means you can't factually support your argument . Briscoe is better and will continue to play more , thats the bottom line

 

[morgousky]

Well atleast he will start next Tues for Sr. night. But I agree he should play more, he shoots good and goes after rebounds. Even Delk said after game Mulder should be on the floor because he is a good shooter and will open up the driving lanes.

And this is another thing. Delk has agreed with some of us here, yet we'e got 3 or 4 total on this board that refuse to even listen. Why I gave up, well, giving up, now.

 

[kybassfan]

Ky, I am not the one confusing a motor for a sound skilled defender than can keep his man in front of him with good lateral quickness. Go back and watch the tennessee game. Pitiful.

Briscoe is not a good defender. You guys can pound it all you want, it's not reality.

Have you watched a single game this year? I've watched Monk, Fox and Gabriel chase their men down the lane all year. Willis gives away the baseline and lane like candy on Halloween. They've collectively hung Bam out to dry trying to defend the rim and guard his man more than Saturday's laundry. We have had MANY games where the only guy playing defense was Briscoe.

As I said, I can only conclude you simply do not understand defense.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

A lot of guys had bad games tonight, including Mulder.

He played 9 mins dude. He wasn't the problem tonight. Don't know how you can say that?

 

[mash_24]

It really comes down to people having an agenda against Briscoe and liking Mulder because he can hit threes . Mulders defense sucks and he doesn't do anything but hit threes but people love three point shooters . Given the opportunity to tell me what Mulder was better at than Briscoe and you had absolutely nothing , which means you can't factually support your argument . Briscoe is better and will continue to play more , thats the bottom line

Sometimes it is about who is the better fit that makes the team better. Briscoe is probably a better all around player But, Briscoe is a ball stopper, and the least talented one in a group of ball stoppers between he, Monk , and Fox. He needs to play less minutes and Mulder needs to see more of those minutes to open things up.

 

[Primedfor9]

Funny how a couple of folks are acting like shooting the ball isn't that important from the 2-3 positions. Go Rafters!

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

That is crazy talk, he is a very good defender, that is why he is always on the other teams best player. Do you honestly think the coaching staff doesn't give flip about wining? That would be the only way to justify you're statement. If there were someone better they would be the one's guarding that guy each game no matter what Briscoe wanted.

Briscoe has enough flaws without trying to create more for him. I'll say it again, you should be asking why those you feel should play more are not stepping up to take the challenge. Why they don't play more is right in front of you. Kentucky is not hurting for offense, this is the highest scoring UK team since the 90's.

72 points against a team that lost to Lipscomb at home.

 

[kybassfan]

He played 9 mins dude. He wasn't the problem tonight. Don't know how you can say that?

Easy. Can say that about most everyone except Bam. 9 minutes is almost a quarter of the game. Frankly for the 9th guy, that's pretty high.

 

[kybassfan]

Funny how a couple of folks are acting like shooting the ball isn't that important from the 2-3 positions. Go Rafters!

Funny how folks think the ONLY thing that matters is shooting the ball.

See how that works?

 

[kybassfan]

Sometimes it is about who is the better fit that makes the team better. Briscoe is probably a better all around player But, Briscoe is a ball stopper, and the least talented one in a group of ball stoppers between he, Monk , and Fox. He needs to play less minutes and Mulder needs to see more of those minutes to open things up.

It will not happen.

 

[morgousky]

Have you watched a single game this year? I've watched Monk, Fox and Gabriel chase their men down the lane all year. Willis gives away the baseline and lane like candy on Halloween. They've collectively hung Bam out to dry trying to defend the rim and guard his man more than Saturday's laundry. We have had MANY games where the only guy playing defense was Briscoe.

As I said, I can only conclude you simply do not understand defense.

Old man, I played basketball. I played division 1 baseball for Memphis. I coached multiple sports after college and could have easily gotten a college gig in my city. One of my best friends is Keith Easterwood of Memphis. I was involved for 6 years with Memphis high school basketball and AAU basketball (granted no defense) and know more about this than you'll know in your next life. I don't say it to be braggadocios I say it because you and the nut huggers have a bad habit of trying to insinuate we're simply saying THRAY BAW GUUD and we're not. I know what a good defender is. Briscoe is not.

One more time.

Briscoe should get plenty of minutes. I think he's a clear 6th man, a good spark off the bench. He can get more minutes than Mulder is that's what Cal wants. Or don't, start him, and give him plenty of minutes. But Mulder needs more time for obvious reasons especially in certain match ups. My God Tony Delk was talking about it tonight. I bet you know more than he?

Now I've officially, for the last time, quit this thread.

 

[Primedfor9]

Funny how folks think the ONLY thing that matters is shooting the ball.

See how that works?

Right, and if Briscoe was Liggins out there and Mulder was Cameron Mills on d you'd all have a good point, but it's not the case. Briscoe simply isn't a great defender, I don't even think he's a good defender most of the time, and Mulder is a decent defensive player with a great shot.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

It really comes down to people having an agenda against Briscoe and liking Mulder because he can hit threes . Mulders defense sucks and he doesn't do anything but hit threes but people love three point shooters . Given the opportunity to tell me what Mulder was better at than Briscoe and you had absolutely nothing , which means you can't factually support your argument . Briscoe is better and will continue to play more , thats the bottom line

You keep saying he only does one thing, but the numbers I posted say otherwise.

 

[oscarcombs44]

I know Monk can shoot but wow Mulder has such a sweet looking shot

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Easy. Can say that about most everyone except Bam. 9 minutes is almost a quarter of the game. Frankly for the 9th guy, that's pretty high.

Yeah, i can see how those 9mins really hurt UK. Those 6 turnovers he had sure hurt, got a technical last game for tackling a guy and run his mouth at UF while they were blowing UK out. Oops, that wasn't him. Briscoe is gutty and fearless, but hurts as much as helps sometimes. Not sure how you can't see that.
Mulder had 2rebs in 9mins. Briscoe 5 in 23mins. My point is that tonight, why not give him a few more minutes?

 

[Xception]

You keep saying he only does one thing, but the numbers I posted say otherwise.

Cherry picked numbers , you are touting a three point bombers pts per 40 . Of course his one talent should have a good per 40 there . You have him rebounding better than Monk who doesn't rebound at all , Fox and Hawkins play point or two guard . So how is Mulder outreboundung them an achievement when everybody in the thread is complaining about his time versus Briscoes ?

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Cherry picked numbers , you are touting a three point bombers pts per 40 . Of course his one talent should have a good per 40 there . You have him rebounding better than Monk who doesn't rebound at all , Fox and Hawkins play point or two guard . So how is Mulder outreboundung them an achievement when everybody in the thread is complaining about his time versus Briscoes ?

PER is not a cherry-picked stat. It's an all-encompassing metric, but please go on believing your truth I guess.

 

[Goingfor9]

Well that will happen when you willfully ignore the 9 pts 5 rbs and 3 ast . The only thing Mulder can do is bomb threes and that fascinates some with a cult like following . If Mulder was a more balanced player then he would play more . Briscoe does far more for this team than Mulder . You don't have to like that because it's irrelevant, Briscoe will play more because he's better .

He has like a 42" vert. He's an athletic freak too he just doesn't get the chance to show it

 

[Goingfor9]

Anybody thinking Mulders defense is close to Briscoes is a moron

No. he can't defend.... he's got ups and length he just needs minutes and get comfortable.

 

[UK till Death]

It takes willful ignorance to defy the logic right infront of your eyes. No one is that stupid.

Cal is recruiting 24/7. He's already admitted this much. Sitting Briscoe and giving half of his minutes to a transfer is not going to happen for the very reason cal is successful in his eyes. Recruiting. Even if you believe in that, and I do to great extent, it is what it is.

Cal would still pull plenty of talent using Briscoe as a 6th man getting lots of minutes. But he doesn't think it would help moving Briscoe along and so he won't even if it helped the team. It's the biggest downside to Cal.

I can't wait until Bricksoe is gone.

So sick of watching his garbage game and ******** Rucker Park attitude.

 

[Xception]

PER is not a cherry-picked stat. It's an all-encompassing metric, but please go on believing your truth I guess.

I will and you can continue believing that Mulder outreboundung Monk , Fox and Hawkins is impressive . I don't want to short change him as he also gets more blocks than our shorter perimeter players , that's good too

 

[BlueRunner11]

Just watched the segment with Delk saying Mulder needs to start over IB. Some of us have been saying it for weeks, others (me) from very early on. Anyone that's played ball and most that never even have can easily see what's going on out there. And believe me, the players aren't dumb, they see it too.

Yes Cal is great coach, I want him here forever, etc...but you play with fire as a coach holding certain players to one standard and others to another and theres been plenty proof of it if you've been paying attention. Theres more BS team politics going on than a kids CYO league.

The good news is if anyone can turn it around, Cal can. But right now if the tourney started, this team is toast.

 

[AllBall]

He's the best defender on the team and it's not close. He is also the only one willing to take on the toughest assignment of guarding the other team best player. If some of these other guys want to play more they should step and take the challenge. Your question should be why aren't they.

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