MSU Scandal Gets Worse

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Granted I only skimmed but these quotes stuck out at me


"The woman said she did not report the alleged assault to police in 2015 because she and some of her friends, who were younger than 21 at the time, had used fake IDs to get into a bar the night of the alleged incident and she worried they would all get cited with underage drinking charges.

The woman's lawsuit states that "MSU has fostered a culture in which female victims are discouraged from reporting sexual assaults when those assaults are perpetrated by male athletes, thus protecting the university, the male athletics programs, and the male athletes at the expense of the female victims."

The lawsuit states the woman met the three basketball players in an East Lansing bar on April 12, 2015. She was a journalism major interested in sports reporting and was eager to talk to team members.

She told Outside the Lines that a player bought her a Long Island iced tea and that shortly after she started to drink it, she began to lose control of her muscles -- dropping that drink and another. She said she left the bar with some of the players after being led to believe her roommate had gone to a party at an apartment belonging to one of the players. Once at the apartment -- and realizing her roommate wasn't there -- the lawsuit states the woman felt "discombobulated" and "tried to send a phone text, but she could not control her thumbs to formulate a text."

She said in the interview that one of the players said to her, "You know you're mine for the night?" to which she said she responded that she was just trying to find her friend. When another player later invited her into his bedroom to look at his sports memorabilia, she said she went willingly because, as an avid sports fan, "I thought it was pretty cool," she told Outside the Lines. She remembered being incredibly thirsty, and she was given a glass of water, the lawsuit states, and she was "drinking the water when the room went dark."



The rest makes Michigan State University and especially the counseling department look bad. But I don't see any reason why this will have any effect on MSU basketball or Izzo specifically. She didn't go to the Police so her allegations of being drugged are just that, allegations. She could have been drug tested and had fluid samples tested.
 
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So chick knows that after even starting to have one drink given to her by the players, she dropped both drinks and then went to players place for party because friend was there. Then despite a player saying “she’s mine,” she then follows said player into his room to check out sports memorabilia.

If she noticed that she was roofied after one sip, she ain’t going to remember or make it to a party and be in mood to look at sports memorabilia. Don’t doubt something happened but imagine that she doesn’t remember anything or she was much along for the ride then she portrayed.
 
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So chick knows that after even starting to have one drink given to her by the players, she dropped both drinks and then went to players place for party because friend was there. Then despite a player saying “she’s mine,” she then follows said player into his room to check out sports memorabilia.

If she noticed that she was roofied after one sip, she ain’t going to remember or make it to a party and be in mood to look at sports memorabilia. Don’t doubt something happened but imagine that she doesn’t remember anything or she was much along for the ride then she portrayed.
Minus the alleged drugging and drinking at a bar, this story brings me back to the early years of experimenting with alcohol in High School

Fortunately for her case, she isn't going after the players but instead the University mostly because of the counseling department.
 

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Minus the alleged drugging and drinking at a bar, this story brings me back to the early years of experimenting with alcohol in High School

Fortunately for her case, she isn't going after the players but instead the University mostly because of the counseling department.
Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?
 
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Kinda hard to read this one. Why not go to the police? You were drugged, lied to and then multiple times sexually assualted.

You left school only to return where this horrific incident took place.

I feel for all the victims involved and hope they find piece. Not telling is not knowing.
 

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Kinda hard to read this one. Why not go to the police? You were drugged, lied to and then multiple times sexually assualted.

You left school only to return where this horrific incident took place.

I feel for all the victims involved and hope they find piece. Not telling is not knowing.
I can understand the lack of action on her part. Why would she be pursuing this if it didn’t happen?
 
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Yeah, I’d be pretty shocked if nothing happened. Girl dropped out of school, had psych problems... doesn’t sound faked.
 

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I can understand the lack of action on her part. Why would she be pursuing this if it didn’t happen?
One would have to think why isn’t she pursuing the players?

We know why she’s pursuing MSU. Kinda hard to loose a case against them given the current state of events.
 

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It is possible she's crazy and making details up, but based on quotes from other students that know her and her own background, I think the odds of her lying are very low. Not going to police is actually the typical reaction when something like this happens to a young woman. That part is not really her fault. Plenty of literature supports her actions as logical. If these guys did treat her this way, I've got something for them.
 

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It is possible she's crazy and making details up, but based on quotes from other students that know her and her own background, I think the odds of her lying are very low. Not going to police is actually the typical reaction when something like this happens to a young woman. That part is not really her fault. Plenty of literature supports her actions as logical. If these guys did treat her this way, I've got something for them.
My only issue is if the counseling staff told her what she said they did legal action should be taken against them as well. That’s why I teach my daughter don’t be scared to say anything about if you were done wrong. If the police can’t sort it out I can.

I just hate it because if they did it suing the college isn’t gonna be Justice for damage done.

Also think at some point and time players are gonna have to be named going further into the law suit to support her claim. There are quotes from the article that just from sitting in on these types of trials the defense will go hard at her so she’s gonna have to re love the incident all over again.
 
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I'm extra close to this being an MSU alum and residing in metro Detroit. It sickens me to continue to hear allegations of this stuff occurring at MSU.

At this point, I still don't believe Tom Izzo was a part of any cover up or complicit in any intimidation of victims like what occurred at Baylor, nor do I think he would have instructed a counselor to encourage a victim not to come forward. But at some point you have to be held accountable for what occurs under your watch. I didn't completely disagree with his decision to stay quiet after the original OTL piece came out, because I thought that was a pretty disgusting attempt by ESPN to loop him and Mark Dantonio in with Larry Nassar. But I don't think he can or should stay silent any longer.

At the end of the day, I hope whoever is guilty of wrongdoing, whether its Tom Izzo or anyone else, is punished accordingly and removed from any involvement whatsoever with the school. Like I said, I don't believe Izzo is the type of guy to enable this type of behavior, but if it comes out that he acted inappropriately, I'll light the first match to burn his legacy to the ground.
 
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Yeah, I’d be pretty shocked if nothing happened. Girl dropped out of school, had psych problems... doesn’t sound faked.
Her major was sports journalism. She might have just had a rude awakening to how many athletes really are. Doesn't mean she deserves money or people need to be fired. The counseling department at MSU sounds like it needs a shakeup. But IMO that is the typical behavior at most Universities with prominent sports teams.

America is the most addicted nation to athletics and college is part of that (unhealthy) relationship
 

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Not going to lie, I'm pretty disappointed with some of the takes on this thread. Who are we to speculate whether she is lying or not and what her intentions are?
 
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Not going to lie, I'm pretty disappointed with some of the takes on this thread. Who are we to speculate whether she is lying or not and what her intentions are?
I just can't fathom what she stands to gain from lying if this stuff is untrue. Is there a possibility of a pay out? If that was her game, she would've acted sooner. Nothing in her background suggests she is a liar or cheat. I know for a fact that young men do crap like this on college campuses all the time, so I am kind of expecting it to be true. I have heard frat boys and athletes (and others) joke about doing similar things, and generally treat women like crap. This behavior, especially the drugging and group intimidation is sometimes tolerated as "boys will be boys." We have to make it comfortable for women to speak up right away, and more has to be done at the moment of notification. If we have to get aggressive with the investigations, so be it. That's better than leaving bad people to do bad things in what are supposed the be safe spaces.
 
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The only problem I have is why just the school? Go after the players as well( which will have to be identified at some point of the trail/investigation)
I agree with Duke Denver, more should be done but if your going after one go after ALL involved.
She has already had to re live it simply by telling her story. Maybe just maybe her story gives a voice to others and stops it before it happens. If the basis for her story is to finally speak out about it. Then the ones who tried to hide it shouldn’t be the only ones punished!