Most penalized BIG10 teams

[Ewooc]

It has seemed since joining the BIG10 that Nebraska has been on the receiving end more often than not of penalties. To the point of being unfair. I am sure every team feels that way. So I went back and looked since Nebraska joined the BIG10 here are the numbers. Yes I factored in Rutgers and Maryland only being in the conf for 6 years. From least penalized team to most.

Northwestern 4.2 penalties per game
Iowa 4.5
Wisc 4.7
Penn St 4.9
Minnesota 5.1
Michigan 5.1
Purdue 5.6
Illinois 5.8
Indiana 6
Michigan St 6
Rutgers 6.1
Ohio St 6.3
Nebraska 6.5
Maryland 6.7

Granted it isn't a huge separation. Take it as you want, but seem like the new guys and the most hated guy gets the most penalties called on them.

 

[vs540husker]

I'm not a fan of blaming ref's and claiming they were being biased, but that Nebraska vs. Wisconsin game last year was almost as bad as the Nebraska vs. A&M game from 2010.

 

[Redscarlet]

Nice work...

That is how Iowa doesn’t beat themselves very often..We need to get back playing sound football and not beating ourselves..

 

[Cornicator]

It has seemed since joining the BIG10 that Nebraska has been on the receiving end more often than not of penalties. To the point of being unfair. I am sure every team feels that way. So I went back and looked since Nebraska joined the BIG10 here are the numbers. Yes I factored in Rutgers and Maryland only being in the conf for 6 years. From least penalized team to most.

Northwestern 4.2 penalties per game
Iowa 4.5
Wisc 4.7
Penn St 4.9
Minnesota 5.1
Michigan 5.1
Purdue 5.6
Illinois 5.8
Indiana 6
Michigan St 6
Rutgers 6.1
Ohio St 6.3
Nebraska 6.5
Maryland 6.7

Granted it isn't a huge separation. Take it as you want, but seem like the new guys and the most hated guy gets the most penalties called on them.

You should take into account the yardage associated with those penalties.

 

[Ewooc]

I'm not a fan of blaming ref's and claiming they were being biased, but that Nebraska vs. Wisconsin game last year was almost as bad as the Nebraska vs. A&M game from 2010.

Yes it was. Seems like those type of games have been more going against Neb than for Neb. Just like there is replay review for fumbles and other plays. There needs to be a review system for penalties as well.
All it would take is a coach/ assistant whos job is to review penalties. Any question and they buzz down to the coach, who can challenge it, just like other things. Now I know there would need to be a challenge limit per game, other wise we would be stopped every other penalty for review.
Or another option would be a review system after every game (maybe there is to an extent already) where the game is reviewed for missed penalties or bad call penalties. If a ref or group of refs is found to be blatantly calling or not calling penalties they can be removed.
Personally I like the challenge option, Keep it to say 5 reviews per game. If a challenge is used and the call or non call is found to be accurate the challenging team gets hit with a 10 yard penalty. This would help to make sure challenges aren't used just because. It would have to be a pretty obvious call/ missed call for team to take the chance to challenge it.

 

[Ewooc]

You should take into account the yardage associated with those penalties.

Yes that would be interesting as well.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Yes that would be interesting as well.

you should also take into account amount of snaps/game

 

[Ewooc]

Nice work...

That is how Iowa doesn’t beat themselves very often..We need to get back playing sound football and not beating ourselves..

Whats interesting is I went back as far as I could find a record (2003 season) of, and Nebraska has always been a heavily penalized team. Which seems odd considering all the coaching changes. These were the other years (non BIG10 years) Wish I could find the 90s stats and see penalties per game. Going to assume they were less, but could be wrong.
Penalties per game.
2010 7.9
2009 7.1
2008 7.2
2007 6.4
2006 5.5
2005 8.1
2004 6.9
2003 6.8

For reference top 10 least penalized teams are usually in the 4- 4.5 per game.

 

[Husker Hambone]

Every big play I expect to see a penalty flag.... that’s how bad it’s got in the past few years.

And Wisconsin and NW hold the living $%# out of other teams. It’s BS they don’t get more holding penalties called.

 

[Ewooc]

Every big play I expect to see a penalty flag.... that’s how bad it’s got in the past few years.

And Wisconsin and NW hold the living $%# out of other teams. It’s BS they don’t get more holding penalties called.

100%

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Every big play I expect to see a penalty flag.... that’s how bad it’s got in the past few years.

And Wisconsin and NW hold the living $%# out of other teams. It’s BS they don’t get more holding penalties called.

Again the Big Ten officials don’t call holding. It is about 1 holding call per game, or .5 holding penalties per team per game.

How many holding penalties has Nebraska been called for? Compare apples to apples.

 

[BigRedBeliever]

The Nebraska Purdue game was the sorriest officiated game I ever saw. The refs were just egging on the crowd and kept throwing flags...they wanted the crowd mad. Really, I never heard our stadium booing refs like that game last year. They have no business refereeing a game again...

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The Nebraska Purdue game was the sorriest officiated game I ever saw. The refs were just egging on the crowd and kept throwing flags...they wanted the crowd mad. Really, I never heard our stadium booing refs like that game last year. They have no business refereeing a game again...

Someone posted in this thread or the other talking about the same thing, that you have to look at penalty yardage as well as total penalties. In this particular game Purdue was called for 10 penalties, where Nebraska was called for 11. The difference 75 yards for Purdue and 136 for Nebraska. 7.5 yards per penalty vs 12.3 yards per penalty. The game may have been poorly officiated, but it wasn't one sided, since the teams had virtually the same number of penalties.

 

[Ewooc]

Someone posted in this thread or the other talking about the same thing, that you have to look at penalty yardage as well as total penalties. In this particular game Purdue was called for 10 penalties, where Nebraska was called for 11. The difference 75 yards for Purdue and 136 for Nebraska. 7.5 yards per penalty vs 12.3 yards per penalty. The game may have been poorly officiated, but it wasn't one sided, since the teams had virtually the same number of penalties.

What would be interesting when looking at large yardage penalties. Does Neb get called more often for those. It sure seems like it. Again, Im sure most fan bases say that. It has seemed very bad especially the last 4-5 years. Now is that because those teams have been poorly disciplined team? Maybe

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

What would be interesting when looking at large yardage penalties. Does Neb get called more often for those. It sure seems like it. Again, Im sure most fan bases say that. It has seemed very bad especially the last 4-5 years. Now is that because those teams have been poorly disciplined team? Maybe

My opinion is that it is because Nebraska hasn't been successful in the past few years. Again another post showed the average number of penalties under some of Solich regime, under Callahan, Pelini and Riley, Nebraska was almost always a highly penalized team. The difference is that some of those teams overcame the penalties. Fans always want to find the "reason" their team is losing. They see a discrepancy in penalties called and boom that is the reason.

I remember those Miami Hurricanes teams from the 80's and 90's they always seemed to lead the country in personal fouls, late hits, unsportsmanlike penalties. But they were talented enough to still win games. At some point, they were no longer talented enough to overcome and started to lose some of those games.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

In the Purdue game, Nebraska had the following offensive penalties

Personal foul on Foster
Hold on Foster, Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive
Hold on a WR, Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive
Hold on WR (Morgan) Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive
Illegal Shift on 4th down so that was declined,

So unless I missed something, Nebraska had 8 of the 11 penalties on defense or special teams. And only 2 penalties actually aided in killing a drive.

Just wanted to add a few details.

 

[huskerhooligansdotcom]

On the subject of penalties, I would never allow my returners to take it out of the endzone. 90% of the time there is a block in the back or a hold and you are starting at your 8 yard line.

In addition, the amount of times they call pass interference penalties is crazy... if it is incomplete the guy throws his hands up looking for a call and then the refs oblige and the flag always comes.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Every big play I expect to see a penalty flag.... that’s how bad it’s got in the past few years.

And Wisconsin and NW hold the living $%# out of other teams. It’s BS they don’t get more holding penalties called.

Holding that’s putting it mildly, how about flat out tackling our d linemen

 

[-LVhusker-]

Go back and look at the targeting on Gerry and tell me how it was targeting.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

Hold on Foster, Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive

Hold on a WR, Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive

Hold on WR (Morgan) Nebraska still scored a TD on that drive

Again the Big Ten officials don’t call holding. It is about 1 holding call per game, or .5 holding penalties per team per game.


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I thought B1G refs didn’t call holding. Looks like they called 3 on us alone in the game you noted. I’m not as good at math as you but via my calculation that’s 6 times the average per game per team ( 3 per game vs .5 per game). You wouldn’t say that’s more then normal?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I thought B1G refs didn’t call holding. Looks like they called 3 on us alone in the game you noted. I’m not as good at math as you but via my calculation that’s 6 times the average per game per team ( 3 per game vs .5 per game). You wouldn’t say that’s more then normal?

The first discussion centered around OL holding. Which 1 was called in that game. The 2 on the WR were 15 yards down field and I believe one actually resulted in Nebraska still having a 1st down.

Nice try though

 

[huskerfan1414]

The michigan state game was bad. State should have had numerous personal foul penalties. It was unreal what the refs shook off. Never seen anything like it at memorial stadium. I can see missing some calls in live action, but some are so blatant its crazy theyre missed.

Say what you want about Bo, but there were some games where we got absolutely bent over and I dont blame him for freaking out. That A&M game being the absolute worst.

Whether we like it or not penalty reduction needs to be a priority in practices this season.

 

[redfanusa]

That is how Iowa doesn’t beat themselves very often.

Exactly. Iowa isn't setting the world on fire recruiting star players. Like Bill Snyder, Dan McCarney, Barry Alvarez - all from the Hayden Fry tree - Ferentz has built teams around strong fundamentals. Keep the penalties and turnovers down, focus on the basics like blocking and tackling technique, and you can hang with anybody. He isn't perfect, and has other issues with recruiting and getting too conservative at times, but it's a solid foundation.

When you contrast that with some of Pelini's teams, that had a lot going for them, but would mentally shat the bed at the worst possible time, you wonder how good they could have been had they been stronger fundamentally.

 

[CC_Lemming]

I'm not a fan of blaming ref's and claiming they were being biased, but that Nebraska vs. Wisconsin game last year was almost as bad as the Nebraska vs. A&M game from 2010.

I just rewatched the Purdue game and the officiating in that was also pretty bad. (The big play everyone hated was one Freedom A. was blocked in the back into Blough and got charged for roughing the passer.)

I also am not a fan of blaming the refs, but I do now wonder whether Nebraska earned a certain ‘reputation’ as an undisciplined team which makes the refs more disposed to throw flags at us, and fewer at the more teams perceived to be more disciplined.

That said, I think it’s true that the teams at the top of the OP’s list play more disciplined football. I just hope we can start trending in that direction and start getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I just rewatched the Purdue game and the officiating in that was also pretty bad. (The big play everyone hated was one Freedom A. was blocked in the back into Blough and got charged for roughing the passer.)

I also am not a fan of blaming the refs, but I do now wonder whether Nebraska earned a certain ‘reputation’ as an undisciplined team which makes the refs more disposed to throw flags at us, and fewer at the more teams perceived to be more disciplined.

That said, I think it’s true that the teams at the top of the OP’s list play more disciplined football. I just hope we can start trending in that direction and start getting the benefit of the doubt.

those teams also play considerably slower, averaging up to 10 less plays per game than the 'more penalized' teams. numbers show teams average a penalty every 10-11 plays, so it's very possible, even likely, this discrepancy is due more to lack of opportunity to commit one more penalty/game than any other one factor (poor/biased officiating).

less plays, less penalties. context is important.

edit: for this stat to be telling/meaningful, OP should’ve used penalties called as a percentage of plays run, not just raw penalty data.

 

[Blackshirts4life339]

Again the Big Ten officials don’t call holding. It is about 1 holding call per game, or .5 holding penalties per team per game.

How many holding penalties has Nebraska been called for? Compare apples to apples.

Nope. This discussion did not “clearly center around OL holding”...just holding, just like you stated above... unless you’re talking about a totally different thread. It’s ok to be wrong once in awhile, Tuco. You don’t have to bend reality and insert random semantics to make yourself right every time.

Huskers got trashed by the refs in the first half of the season. Holding was called PLENTY of times. Second half of the season was a different story and what do ya know we did a lot better.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Nope. This discussion did not “clearly center around OL holding”...just holding, just like you stated above... unless you’re talking about a totally different thread. It’s ok to be wrong once in awhile, Tuco. You don’t have to bend reality and insert random semantics to make yourself right every time.

Huskers got trashed by the refs in the first half of the season. Holding was called PLENTY of times. Second half of the season was a different story and what do ya know we did a lot better.

Not one person was bitching about downfield holding calls by wide receivers. It was all based on our pass rush and Randy Gregory and that sort of stuff. Again not one person was complaining because a DB was being held 15 yards down the field on a screen pass or a running play.

In the first 3 games there were 3 total offensive holding calls. One against Colorado, one OL holding call on Jaimes, on on a WR against Troy and zero against Michigan.

So in about 90 pass attempts through 3 games there were 3 holding calls. That is not plenty. That is 1 per game.

 

[Ewooc]

I just rewatched the Purdue game and the officiating in that was also pretty bad. (The big play everyone hated was one Freedom A. was blocked in the back into Blough and got charged for roughing the passer.)

I also am not a fan of blaming the refs, but I do now wonder whether Nebraska earned a certain ‘reputation’ as an undisciplined team which makes the refs more disposed to throw flags at us, and fewer at the more teams perceived to be more disciplined.

That said, I think it’s true that the teams at the top of the OP’s list play more disciplined football. I just hope we can start trending in that direction and start getting the benefit of the doubt.

I think this is more so the case, vs them having a vendetta against Neb. The good teams will get the benefit of doubt. Undisciplined teams like Neb was, get the flags on close calls. Or not close calls in many situation.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

The first discussion centered around OL holding. Which 1 was called in that game. The 2 on the WR were 15 yards down field and I believe one actually resulted in Nebraska still having a 1st down.

Nice try though

So that .5 number is ONLY O-line holding?!?!?

I’m sorry, I thought The quote was on average 1 hold per game or .5 per team.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Here is my take, when you become s winner like Clemson and bama you’ll get the benefit of the doubt, but if your a mediocre to bad team you’ll get them called on you more than not. It a lot like a rookie pitcher going against verlander, the rookie never get the marginal strike called but verlander will

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

My opinion is that it is because Nebraska hasn't been successful in the past few years. Again another post showed the average number of penalties under some of Solich regime, under Callahan, Pelini and Riley, Nebraska was almost always a highly penalized team. The difference is that some of those teams overcame the penalties. Fans always want to find the "reason" their team is losing. They see a discrepancy in penalties called and boom that is the reason.

I remember those Miami Hurricanes teams from the 80's and 90's they always seemed to lead the country in personal fouls, late hits, unsportsmanlike penalties. But they were talented enough to still win games. At some point, they were no longer talented enough to overcome and started to lose some of those games.

The 1991 cotton bowl #3 Texas vs #4 Miami

Miami won 46-3.

Miami had 16 penalties for 202 yards.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

The 1991 cotton bowl #3 Texas vs #4 Miami

Miami won 46-3.

Miami had 16 penalties for 202 yards.

Ok there are exceptions, plus Texas deserves the beat down and a little taunting from thug u

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

So that .5 number is ONLY O-line holding?!?!?

I’m sorry, I thought The quote was on average 1 hold per game or .5 per team.

Offensive holding on pass plays.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Northwestern averaged not quite one less play per game than us. Psu, almost two per game.
When you have close to fifty percent more penalties, it adds up to more than the difference of one or two plays.
I would add, osu went almost two years without an offensive line hold in the Big games.
Theres a problem, where its aimed isn't just us.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Here is my take, when you become s winner like Clemson and bama you’ll get the benefit of the doubt, but if your a mediocre to bad team you’ll get them called on you more than not. It a lot like a rookie pitcher going against verlander, the rookie never get the marginal strike called but verlander will

Crap. How many penalties are Clemson and Alabama commiting if they are still at 5 and 6 penalties per game and ranked 29th and 65th in penalties per game? Why are juggernauts like Duke, Liberty, Georgia Tech, Georgia Southern and Rice in the top 10 for lowest number of penalties per game?

Some teams commit more penalties than others, always has been that way and always will be.