Moreno's leverage...

[WildcatWally-77]

What are we supposed to make of Moreno skipping 5-on-5 scrimmages at the NBA Combine? Life is all about leverage, and this is a multi-million dollar leverage game. Mark Pope must thread the needle over the next two weeks before Moreno must make a final decision. “The problem is, if you actually get tough with him and draw a line, and he says, ‘All right, if that’s the way you want to be, I’ll just stay in the draft.’ You are maybe ending your coaching career at your alma mater,” said Gary Parrish.
“As crazy as it sounds, this could be the key to Pope getting a year four or never getting a year four, and so that makes it a really delicate situation. Where, if I’m being honest, I think if I’m Kentucky, I just got to sit back and wait, be as kind and as patient, and make sure when it’s time we’re going to put so much money on the table, he can’t say no to us, because they need him now more than they needed him on the day the season ended. They need him now, because they’ve missed on so much other stuff.”

Parrish and Norlander Believe Malachi Moreno is Returning to Kentucky

The CBS Sports aren't buying the NBA Combine buzz. They believe Moreno and Momcilovic will play college basketball next season.

www.on3.com

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

Here! Maybe this will help!

Moreno is as good as gone...giving Pope a "built in excuse" for next season's failure...

Malachi Moreno Meets With Four More NBA Teams After Knicks Workout... This is just like reading the script from a movie you've seen before. Don't think for a second that Pope and the Pope huggers won't try to use Moreno as an excuse after the upcoming season implodes......just as Pope used...

www.on3.com

 

[BigBluefoot]

If a coaching career comes down to one player coming back or not, it's pretty much already over.

 

[CB3UK]

I just don't believe, for a second, any of this. Fans are looking for something to wring their hands over. He'll be here next season. Stop. Relax.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

What are we supposed to make of Moreno skipping 5-on-5 scrimmages at the NBA Combine? Life is all about leverage, and this is a multi-million dollar leverage game. Mark Pope must thread the needle over the next two weeks before Moreno must make a final decision. “The problem is, if you actually get tough with him and draw a line, and he says, ‘All right, if that’s the way you want to be, I’ll just stay in the draft.’ You are maybe ending your coaching career at your alma mater,” said Gary Parrish.
“As crazy as it sounds, this could be the key to Pope getting a year four or never getting a year four, and so that makes it a really delicate situation. Where, if I’m being honest, I think if I’m Kentucky, I just got to sit back and wait, be as kind and as patient, and make sure when it’s time we’re going to put so much money on the table, he can’t say no to us, because they need him now more than they needed him on the day the season ended. They need him now, because they’ve missed on so much other stuff.”

Parrish and Norlander Believe Malachi Moreno is Returning to Kentucky

The CBS Sports aren't buying the NBA Combine buzz. They believe Moreno and Momcilovic will play college basketball next season.

www.on3.com

You seem to have missed by far the important quote in that article. Which would be this one:

"Both CBS college basketball analysts believe there is a 75% chance Malachi Moreno returns to Kentucky for the 2026-27 season."

Of course, they must not know as much as you, because you started a thread days ago saying "Moreno is as good as gone." CBS must be embarrassed to be paying guys like Parrish and Norlander who don't even know as much about this as a random Rafters poster. .

 

[DudahUK]

If a coaching career comes down to one player coming back or not, it's pretty much already over.

No kidding.

 

[DudahUK]

You seem to have missed by far the important quote in that article. Which would be this one: "Both CBS college basketball analysts believe there is a 75% chance Malachi Moreno returns to Kentucky for the 2026-27 season."

Of course, they must not know as much as you, because you started a thread days ago saying "Moreno is as good as gone." CBS must be embarrassed to be paying guys like Parrish and Norlander who can't see this as clearly as a random Rafters poster. .

Was that the dude that made that thread? Yeah that was a bunch of garbage.

 

[WildcatWally-77]

Here! Maybe this will help!

Moreno is as good as gone...giving Pope a "built in excuse" for next season's failure...

Malachi Moreno Meets With Four More NBA Teams After Knicks Workout... This is just like reading the script from a movie you've seen before. Don't think for a second that Pope and the Pope huggers won't try to use Moreno as an excuse after the upcoming season implodes......just as Pope used...

www.on3.com

So...what's your point??? If you looked at the post, you would have seen that Moreno is as good as gone (and he has already signed his UK contract) UNLESS UK PONIES UP EVEN MORE MONEY. He will gladly return to UK if the money is stacked high enough. Moreno having signed his UK contract (and agreeing to terms) means SQUAT unless UK is willing to funnel even more money to him. The NBA is his leverage. on UK...they either pay him EVEN MORE or he's NBA bound.

 

[BBNinSCar]

Is this a top 10 roster if we retain Moreno and add Momsilivic? Where will we be in the preseason rankings?

 

[RedwoodHigh]

Kentucky can & will survive without Moreno .
Moreno has bricks for hands & no outside shot. He needs another year of development to be a true NBA player. Being the starting center at Ky will showcase his talent. The question is - Can he keep his starting spot if another Big comes onboard ?

 

[WildcatWally-77]

You seem to have missed by far the important quote in that article. Which would be this one:

"Both CBS college basketball analysts believe there is a 75% chance Malachi Moreno returns to Kentucky for the 2026-27 season."

Of course, they must not know as much as you, because you started a thread days ago saying "Moreno is as good as gone." CBS must be embarrassed to be paying guys like Parrish and Norlander who don't even know as much about this as a random Rafters poster. .

Maybe, your reading comprehension is lacking...Parrish and Norlander both also said UK would have to PONY UP MORE to ensure Moreno is back--the whole post is about Moreno's leverage over Pope and UK...pay him more or he's gone. Both Parrish and Norlander make the point about leveraging more money for Moreno's to return to UK.

 

[WildcatWally-77]

Was that the dude that made that thread? Yeah that was a bunch of garbage.

Says you....Is it not true that Moreno is using the NBA to leverage UK for more money if he can???

 

[Blue till I die]

What is your point of this thread?

We all know Moreno has the option to stay in the draft and UK will have to increase his NIL deal to retain him. No decision has been made as of today.

please tell us something we don't know

 

[RedwoodHigh]

Moreno doesn’t have a lot of financial leverage since he already signed with Ky & the Portal is closed to new entrants. Many players are announcing their return to college as we speak & expect Moreno to follow soon. Time to take the check & get ready for next year’s season

 

[KyKevin]

Moreno is a Kentuckian, at least it's NBA or Kentucky. I don't blame him for getting all he can, while he can. They all are, but a lot are using other schools, instead of NBA. I have respect for his Kentucky or NBA choice.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

Maybe, your reading comprehension is lacking...Parrish and Norlander both also said UK would have to PONY UP MORE to ensure Moreno is back--the whole post is about Moreno's leverage over Pope and UK...pay him more or he's gone. Both Parrish and Norlander make the point about leveraging more money for Moreno's to return to UK.

I comprehend that you embarrassed yourself with a panicked, silly thread that guaranteed that Moreno was "as good as gone" when there was no evidence of that, and now people who know a lot more about it say that's likely not true.

Of course EVERYONE, Moreno included, is going to use every advantage he has to get paid. So does every kid in the NIL era. So does every American who works a job. It's foolish to point that out like it is some big revelation.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

life is not about leverage. Many things are, for sure. The most important things are not.

 

[UKCowboys]

If Moreno were looking for financial leverage he would have entered the portal. How hard is that to understand?

 

[Pygmy Sasquatch]

life is not about leverage. Many things are, for sure. The most important things are not.

Yes. When you swim with the current you don't need leverage.

 

[ftp000]

Here! Maybe this will help!

Moreno is as good as gone...giving Pope a "built in excuse" for next season's failure...

Malachi Moreno Meets With Four More NBA Teams After Knicks Workout... This is just like reading the script from a movie you've seen before. Don't think for a second that Pope and the Pope huggers won't try to use Moreno as an excuse after the upcoming season implodes......just as Pope used...

www.on3.com

Quite possibly the stupidest take I've ever seen on this board...and that's saying a lot. Congratulations! We're all a little stupider for encountering you.

 

[BookofMormon]

What are we supposed to make of Moreno skipping 5-on-5 scrimmages at the NBA Combine? Life is all about leverage, and this is a multi-million dollar leverage game. Mark Pope must thread the needle over the next two weeks before Moreno must make a final decision. “The problem is, if you actually get tough with him and draw a line, and he says, ‘All right, if that’s the way you want to be, I’ll just stay in the draft.’ You are maybe ending your coaching career at your alma mater,” said Gary Parrish.
“As crazy as it sounds, this could be the key to Pope getting a year four or never getting a year four, and so that makes it a really delicate situation. Where, if I’m being honest, I think if I’m Kentucky, I just got to sit back and wait, be as kind and as patient, and make sure when it’s time we’re going to put so much money on the table, he can’t say no to us, because they need him now more than they needed him on the day the season ended. They need him now, because they’ve missed on so much other stuff.”

Parrish and Norlander Believe Malachi Moreno is Returning to Kentucky

The CBS Sports aren't buying the NBA Combine buzz. They believe Moreno and Momcilovic will play college basketball next season.

www.on3.com

He was told it won't help his stock. My guess is he wants to go, now it's about whether he'll get a first round grade. The large majority of mocks I've seen don't have him in the fist round, and these are post combine. It's a toss up.

 

[bleedsblue5]

I like Moreno and want him back, but Garrison outplayed him easily the last 6 or more games. I can't see this being the deal breaker of next season.

 

[WildcatWally-77]

Quite possibly the stupidest take I've ever seen on this board...and that's saying a lot. Congratulations! We're all a little stupider for encountering you.

You use the word :stupidest" quite well...I take it that you have heard it a lot in your life...maybe on your yearbook photo. Psychologically speaking, people who are stupid are too dumb to realize that fact. Thus, they think everyone else is stupid and not themselves. Go look in the mirror for a perfect example of such a person, Finally, this is still a free country, with free speech and "Mr. Stupidest", you don't run this site. So, go get your head out of your "stupid" @$$ and #u@# off...

 

[anot]

Kentucky can & will survive without Moreno .
Moreno has bricks for hands & no outside shot. He needs another year of development to be a true NBA player. Being the starting center at Ky will showcase his talent. The question is - Can he keep his starting spot if another Big comes onboard ?

I've stated several times I like the Washington center over Moreno if he's healthy.

 

[anot]

Says you....Is it not true that Moreno is using the NBA to leverage UK for more money if he can???

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but why were Jeff and his squad stating over and over that Moreno signed a contract to "come play for Pope" for less money already?

So did he sign a contract like that or was that made up just to make their ridiculous opinion sound better when they kept replying to me?

So is Moreno leveraging money after he signed a contract to come back already or are kyjeff and them the sunshine pumping troll dorks that I know.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but why were Jeff and his squad stating over and over that Moreno signed a contract to "come play for Pope" for less money already?

So did he sign a contract like that or was that made up just to make their ridiculous opinion sound better when they kept replying to me?

So is Moreno leveraging money after he signed a contract to come back already or are kyjeff and them the sunshine pumping troll dorks that I know.

I’d imagine Moreno and his team are leveraging the situation to see if they can get more money to come back…of course! I don’t think that says anything one way or another about Pope. It’s simply how business works.

Both of these can be simultaneously true:

- Moreno negotiated a return deal to come back to UK on a hometown discount, but his value was perceived to be lower at that time.

- Moreno’s team may now be asking for more. Still may be willing to return at less than his strict value would dictate but he has more value now than he did weeks ago, so the pot would get sweetened.

Either way, I 100% expect Moreno back. These are my opinions of the situation the best I’d guess.

 

[anot]

I’d imagine Moreno and his team are leveraging the situation to see if they can get more money to come back…of course! I don’t think that says anything one way or another about Pope. It’s simply how business works.

Both of these can be simultaneously true:

- Moreno negotiated a return deal to come back to UK on a hometown discount, but his value was perceived to be lower at that time.

- Moreno’s team I may now be asking for more. Still may be willing to return at less than his strict value would dictate but he has more value now than he did weeks ago, so the pot would get sweetened.

Either way, I 100% expect Moreno back. These are my opinions of the situation the best I’d guess.

Alright I guess I'm just behind when it comes to contracts. I thought when you sign a contract then that's what it's going to be. I didn't know you could sign a contract and then negotiate.

But their whole argument was he signed a contract to come play for Pope for less money than he was worth. So simply did he even sign a contract? Jeff seemed to say he did for three days straight. I'm not saying he did or didn't. I have no clue. And if so how can he sign a contract and then start leveraging...I thought it went the other way. You leverage before you sign.

I'm seriously asking because I have no clue. But the three day back and forth is going to be even more hilarious if they were making up their own facts to try and paint a picture about me .

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Alright I guess I'm just behind when it comes to contracts. I thought when you sign a contract then that's what it's going to be. I didn't know you could sign a contract and then negotiate.

But their whole argument was he signed a contract to come play for Pope for less money than he was worth. So simply did he even sign a contract? Jeff seemed to say he did for three days straight. I'm not saying he did or didn't. I have no clue. And if so how can he sign a contract and then start leveraging...I thought it went the other way. You leverage before you sign.

I'm seriously asking because I have no clue. But the three day back and forth is going to be even more hilarious if they were making up their own facts to try and paint a picture about me .

Contracts are only enforceable as long as the relevant parties want them to be. If Moreno and Pope both decide it’s in their mutual best interests to consider the terms of the contract null and renegotiate, they can. I’m not a lawyer but business law is something Im relatively familiar with on the most basics of levels.

Let me tell you that was subject matter that almost always put me to sleep when earning my degree lol

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

What is your point of this thread?

We all know Moreno has the option to stay in the draft and UK will have to increase his NIL deal to retain him. No decision has been made as of today.

please tell us something we don't know

OP is drama. That's the point.

 

[ftp000]

You use the word :stupidest" quite well...I take it that you have heard it a lot in your life...maybe on your yearbook photo. Psychologically speaking, people who are stupid are too dumb to realize that fact. Thus, they think everyone else is stupid and not themselves. Go look in the mirror for a perfect example of such a person, Finally, this is still a free country, with free speech and "Mr. Stupidest", you don't run this site. So, go get your head out of your "stupid" @$$ and #u@# off...

Since I'm not a government agency, free speech doesn't apply.
Besides, I never tried to silence you. By all means, continue.

 

[BigBluePap]

Is this a top 10 roster if we retain Moreno and add Momsilivic? Where will we be in the preseason rankings?

If …

 

[anot]

Contracts are only enforceable as long as the relevant parties want them to be. If Moreno and Pope both decide it’s in their mutual best interests to consider the terms of the contract null and renegotiate, they can. I’m not a lawyer but business law is something Im relatively familiar with on the most basics of levels.

Let me tell you that was subject matter that almost always put me to sleep when earning my degree lol

So did he sign a contract?


I ask because if he did he really can't leverage anything unless Pope is ok with it also right? He can't enter the transfer portal. He really can't even negotiate unless Pope wants to right? Obviously I'm sure Pope would. But if he decided not to then I'm not sure anybody can leverage a contract that's already been signed

 

[The Nightman2]

Alright I guess I'm just behind when it comes to contracts. I thought when you sign a contract then that's what it's going to be. I didn't know you could sign a contract and then negotiate.

But their whole argument was he signed a contract to come play for Pope for less money than he was worth. So simply did he even sign a contract? Jeff seemed to say he did for three days straight. I'm not saying he did or didn't. I have no clue. And if so how can he sign a contract and then start leveraging...I thought it went the other way. You leverage before you sign.

I'm seriously asking because I have no clue. But the three day back and forth is going to be even more hilarious if they were making up their own facts to try and paint a picture about me .

Jack Pilgrim reported that he took a substantial amount less to come back to Kentucky. You could've googled that.

 

[20MRoster]

Is this a top 10 roster if we retain Moreno and add Momsilivic? Where will we be in the preseason rankings?

preseason rankings

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

So did he sign a contract?


I ask because if he did he really can't leverage anything unless Pope is ok with it also right? He can't enter the transfer portal. He really can't even negotiate unless Pope wants to right? Obviously I'm sure Pope would. But if he decided not to then I'm not sure anybody can leverage a contract that's already been signed

However these contracts are structured, it doesn’t keep these young men from going pro. So all MM has to do is say, “I’m really not sure if I’m coming back or not. I think I’m leaning towards staying in the draft”. Leverage gained.

 

[anot]

Jack Pilgrim reported that he took a substantial amount less to come back to Kentucky. You could've googled that.

So did he sign a contract or not? It wasnt something I needed to know. I'm asking because I had jeff coming for me for three days saying he signed a contract for less money.

This is a easy yes or no. I don't need to Google anything when I am here and can get a better answer. And on top of that I will never Google a UK insider for information because they obviously have showed us they aren't really insiders. They know nothing.


But when it comes to a contract it's a easy answer. He either signed a contract already or he didn't. I just want to make sure he did because I was told for three days he did.


I wasn't the one going back and forth coming for people like I was spitting facts. They were coming for me with their "facts" over me having an opinion.



(Yes or no)...

 

[anot]

However these contracts are structured, it doesn’t keep these young men from going pro. So all MM has to do is say, “I’m really not sure if I’m coming back or not. I think I’m leaning towards staying in the draft”. Leverage gained.

Yea I get he can go pro if he chooses to even if he signs a contract with UK. I'm sure whatever was offered would obviously be only if he came back to college.

But then again if he signed a contract then he really only has leverage as far as coming back or not. He can say I'm going pro. But he can't really change a contract if he decides to come back. So I understand he has leverage as far as telling Pope I'm leaving or staying. But thats it.

 

[The Nightman2]

So did he sign a contract or not? It wasnt something I needed to know. I'm asking because I had jeff coming for me for three days saying he signed a contract for less money.

This is a easy yes or no. I don't need to Google anything when I am here and can get a better answer. And on top of that I will never Google a UK insider for information because they obviously have showed us they aren't really insiders. They know nothing.


But when it comes to a contract it's a easy answer. He either signed a contract already or he didn't. I just want to make sure he did because I was told for three days he did.


I wasn't the one going back and forth coming for people like I was spitting facts. They were coming for me with their "facts" over me having an opinion.



(Yes or no)...

Yes

 

[anot]

Also see the difference in me asking something I don't know instead of acting like I'm stating facts.

I for one haven't heard anything about him signing a contract. I've heard posters say he would come back for less but that could also be like the tons of recruits that say UK is their dream school and then go play for another school. Contracts are a little different than someone's word. Pen on paper makes a difference. Can say something all day.

 

[anot]

Yes

Thanks. Then he has no leverage. He's either going pro or coming back to UK for whatever his contract states.