MORE WONDERMENT

[DoggieDaddy13]

Didn't want to takeover Missouridawg's thread with this line of thinking... so I decided to start a new one... but he brought up some interesting points that had me wondering....

Don't you all agree that Mullen and his staff had checked out of here years ago? Even before 2014? Consider all of the end of season flops since then.

They brought in a few top-notch athletes - particularly on Defense and the OL .. but they weren't interested in winning a championship here. They were much more interested in building a solid reputation to jump off to their next jobs.

I think Mullen was p!ssed after losing out to Franklin for the PSU job.

Now the real question is this... what really made Mullen and team want to leave...? yes, Starkville is not the most happening place... but neither is Happy Valley...

The money was getting better and better here... and thanks largely to Dan, the game day experience is pretty electric and our football cred was better than ever.

TIN HAT TIME: Heard from a booster - who acts like he's in the know - that when Dan first arrived he told the big boosters (lovingly referred to as the MSU Mafia) to go bump a stump and let him run the program his way if they really wanted to win.

At first, they did. But once Ole Miss went all in on their dirty recruit chasing, the Mafia panicked. They knew (like the rest of us) that Dan was incapable of playing with Freeze and the Network for in-state recruits.

He also said that much went down between Dan and the Mafia during the 2013 season after Dan got trounced by Freeze the year before. It was after that season that Dan would seem to check out by the end of each year hoping for opportunity to get out.

So WONDER ME THIS: how do JoMo and Cohen handle the money men? We might not be the tops in the SEC in terms of pushy Booster tactics... but we sure as hell ain't Fordham.

Might they be all up in his business. As a Coach... he should sure as hell have figured out by now that he ain't winning games with Fitz. KT should have at least seen snaps at UK and UF when an offense looks that anemic... and being so pathetic against LSU... it's just crazy... unless he was trying to humiliate Fitz for some reason... but his first priority should be doing what it takes to win ballgames.

Just wondering....

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

If Moorhead loses Egg Bowl, he gone. Heard from a very reliable source.

 

[Dawgology]

Heard the same thing

If Moorhead loses Egg Bowl, he gone. Heard from a very reliable source.

From a guy that hasn't steered me wrong so far.

 

[msstate7]

If Moorhead loses Egg Bowl, he gone. Heard from a very reliable source.

I hate Moorhead, and would love for him to be gone. With that said, I will be shocked if he's let go of even if we lose out.

 

[dickiedawg]

If we lose out I don't know how in the world you keep him

 

[JoMo MoJo]

What if this 17 loses out but wins the Egg Bowl? Are we still keeping this coach? Tell your cigar boys we need to stop attaching the entire worth of our program to Ole Miss. I wouldn’t really attribute beating OM this year to anything special enough to keep your job.

 

[Longtime Lurker]

What if this 17 loses out but wins the Egg Bowl? Are we still keeping this coach? Tell your cigar boys we need to stop attaching the entire worth of our program to Ole Miss. I wouldn’t really attribute beating OM this year to anything special enough to keep your job.

...and what if we win 4 of the last, and end the season 9-4 with a bowl win? Damn. We should be favored in 4 of the last 5.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

...and what if we win 4 of the last, and end the season 9-4 with a bowl win? Damn. We should be favored in 4 of the last 5.

If he doesn’t mothball Fitz I’m afraid my scenario may have a higher chance of happening. We have got to learn to function independently of Ole Miss. I don’t watch them, I don’t follow them and I could care less what they do but it angers me to see some old guard still place so much emphesis on them when determining our future.

 

[philduckworth]

If Moorhead loses Egg Bowl, he gone. Heard from a very reliable source.

I've got a buddy who is a big OM booster. He was so mad when OM won the Egg Bowl b/c it meant Matt Luke for at least 1 year, probably 2.

I kind of feel that way myself this year especially if we put up single digits vs A&M. It will be really hard to lose the Egg Bowl. Our defense is far superior to theirs.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

If he doesn’t mothball Fitz I’m afraid my scenario may have a higher chance of happening. We have got to learn to function independently of Ole Miss. I don’t watch them, I don’t follow them and I could care less what they do but it angers me to see some old guard still place so much emphesis on them when determining our future.

You want ole miss to stop being an issue to the fanbase? Stop 17ing losing to them. Especially when we have a much better team. Any loss to them in the next 3 years will be 17ing embarrassing.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Heh “if you want to win stay out of my way” = If you want to go 5-7 to 8-4 and be Hugh Freeze’s personal ***** stay out of my way.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

I hate Moorhead.

Geez. Some of you people need to relax.

 

[msstate7]

Geez. Some of you people need to relax.

Hate him as our coach. I don't know him... didn't realize I had to clarify this

 

[Len2003]

You want ole miss to stop being an issue to the fanbase? Stop 17ing losing to them. Especially when we have a much better team. Any loss to them in the next 3 years will be 17ing embarrassing.

^^^This. Ole Miss stays relevant because we can't take care of business against them. I don't think they should be the focal point of everything we do, but they are relevant.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

We'd probably be 4-3 - or worse - with Mullen as our head coach this year. Can you imagine how mentally checked-out he'd be for losing out on the Florida job aGAIN?

Part of the reason I think Florida is doing well this year is that Dan has the fire back. He had it the first couple years here, but when he didn't even get as much as a sniff on the Florida job after Urban left, it died quickly. Even in 2014 it was less fire and more trying to posture for a way out. Maybe now that he has his dream job he'll stay fired up. But if for whatever reason he loses the fire, he will not last long there.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

We'd probably be 4-3 - or worse - with Mullen as our head coach this year.

I'm thinking more like 6-1.

 

[Dawgg]

One of the things that irks me about our current situation...

^^^This. Ole Miss stays relevant because we can't take care of business against them. I don't think they should be the focal point of everything we do, but they are relevant.

... is that their program is in shambles and ours should be at a high. We have a year or two with a real window of opportunity to capitalize and we are blowing it right now.

Like it or not, Mississippi State shares a state with Ole Miss. They are the two Power 5 programs in the second least populated state with two or more Power 5 programs (Kansas is the lowest) and the 4th least populated state with any Power 5 program. (Kansas, Nebraska, and West Virginia). Kansas will overtake Mississippi in population within the next few years and Nebraska could do it in the next 10.

So, what Ole Miss does affects Mississippi State and what Mississippi State does affects Ole Miss. There just aren't enough Mississippians to go around.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

There is a vast difference between them being relevant, Hell every SEC team is relevant to State, and letting that one game determine our future. That was my point. I can even say that they are more relevant considering we share the state with them and recruit against them more. What I can’t stomach is only considering our success against OM, or lack thereof, when determining who coaches this team from here on out.

 

[philduckworth]

We'd probably be 4-3 - or worse - with Mullen as our head coach this year. Can you imagine how mentally checked-out he'd be for losing out on the Florida job aGAIN?

Part of the reason I think Florida is doing well this year is that Dan has the fire back. He had it the first couple years here, but when he didn't even get as much as a sniff on the Florida job after Urban left, it died quickly. Even in 2014 it was less fire and more trying to posture for a way out. Maybe now that he has his dream job he'll stay fired up. But if for whatever reason he loses the fire, he will not last long there.

We are 6-1, 7-0 with Mullen. Probably the same with Bill Clark, Neal Brown, and many, many other coaches. We might even be 5-2 with Greg Knox.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

You see what Germy Pruitt is doing at Tennessee. Wonder what his record here would have been?

 

[RiverCityDawg]

If Moorhead loses Egg Bowl, he gone. Heard from a very reliable source.

I refuse to believe it's that simple. Go 5-7 and lose to om? Okay, maybe, but if we win this weekend, beat LaTech and Arkansas but lose in Oxford to finish 7-5, your source still saying he gets canned? That would be pretty shocking.

Worst case scenario would probably be 6-6, losing the Egg Bowl and keeping Moorhead. Program morale would be as as low as it was 10 years ago just before Croom was fired.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

We are 6-1, 7-0 with Mullen. Probably the same with Bill Clark, Neal Brown, and many, many other coaches. We might even be 5-2 with Greg Knox.

We'd be 5-2 this year with my 10 year old girl who absolutely hates football and doesn't know the first thing about it as coach.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

We'd probably be 4-3 - or worse - with Mullen as our head coach this year. Can you imagine how mentally checked-out he'd be for losing out on the Florida job aGAIN?

Part of the reason I think Florida is doing well this year is that Dan has the fire back. He had it the first couple years here, but when he didn't even get as much as a sniff on the Florida job after Urban left, it died quickly. Even in 2014 it was less fire and more trying to posture for a way out. Maybe now that he has his dream job he'll stay fired up. But if for whatever reason he loses the fire, he will not last long there.

Well, he was their 5th choice. So there is that. UF might have been his dream, but he sure as hell wasnt theirs. They were so hungry for success, he could have thrown helmets and shoulder pads out on the field and told them to go at it and they would have shown considerable improvement.

Unfortunately, that is apparently exactly what Moorhead did at our first practice.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Without a change at QB, I'm thinking six wins is going to be tough. La Tech was going to be tough out anyway and Arkie is getting better.

 

[Seinfeld]

Fully agree. To simply be on a level field with them is unacceptable at this juncture. They are on probation, year 2 of a bowl ban, they’ve had a litany of transfers, and they’re also still getting used to a new staff. Yet here we are with what’s currently looking like very similar seasons and recruiting classes. We aren’t distancing ourselves like we should be

All that said, I expect OM to take a large step backwards next season, but I still don’t feel like we’re even slightly taking advantage of their NCAA issues. Much like the current season, a big wasted opportunity from Moorhead

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Without a change at QB, I'm thinking six wins is going to be tough. La Tech was going to be tough out anyway and Arkie is getting better.

No it’s not. We look like world beaters against ****** defenses. Arkansas, Ole Miss, and La Tech are teams that Moorhead’s offense will look competent against. Those are G5 level defenses that we have destroyed all year. We struggle on offense when Nick has to actually process information faster than he can eat a sandwich.

 

[benatmsu]

Nah

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I've got a buddy who is a big OM booster. He was so mad when OM won the Egg Bowl b/c it meant Matt Luke for at least 1 year, probably 2.

I kind of feel that way myself this year especially if we put up single digits vs A&M. It will be really hard to lose the Egg Bowl. Our defense is far superior to theirs.