Monticello 23-20 final

[hawksfan619]

Most insane ending I’ve seen. Monticello scored to take the lead. Tolono throws a screen pass to seemingly end it with 6 seconds left. Team and fans storm the field but Tolono apparently called timeout with one second left. Fans and team get taken off the field plus a 15 yard penalty is administered to Monticello. Tolono completes a 38 yard haul Mary that is negated for an illegal man downfield and the game ends. Monticello wins 23-20

 

[hawksfan619]

Please tell me someone else saw this

 

[Doctor_D]

Most insane ending I’ve seen. Tolono throws a screen pass to seemingly end it. Team and fans storm the field but Tolono apparently called timeout with one second left. Fans and team off the field plus a 15 yard penalty. Tolono completes a 38 yard haul Mary that is negated for an illegal man downfield and game ends. Monticello wins 23-20

I don’t understand

 

[good_nocall]

Please tell me someone else saw this

I saw it. And I told my son that #22 was ineligible before the ball was even snapped. The flag isn't thrown until the ball is actually thrown that's why it was late and down the field. Officiating crew had perfect mechanics on that play and the flag was thrown by the correct official.

 

[colin2229]

I saw it. And I told my son that #22 was ineligible before the ball was even snapped. The flag isn't thrown until the ball is actually thrown that's why it was late and down the field. Officiating crew had perfect mechanics on that play and the flag was thrown by the correct official.

Would love to see the video

 

[hawksfan619]

I saw it. And I told my son that #22 was ineligible before the ball was even snapped. The flag isn't thrown until the ball is actually thrown that's why it was late and down the field. Officiating crew had perfect mechanics on that play and the flag was thrown by the correct official.

Can you explain why he was ineligible? Just curious because from our perspective he was lined up as the running back. Just wondering

 

[hawksfan619]

I don’t understand

Sorry updated the post a little

 

[good_nocall]

Would love to see the video

I was going to try to screen grab the formation but the live stream ended and I can't find it on NFHS at this point.

 

[SilverHelmet]

Get the Fenwick lawyers on the case

 

[good_nocall]

Can you explain why he was ineligible? Just curious because from our perspective he was lined up as the running back. Just wondering

#22 was lined up as a tight end (three point stance) on Unity's right side of the line. You also had trips in a bunch to the far right, with the middle of the bunch lined up on the ball. Not sure what his number was because i was focused on if 22 was actually going to pass protect, which he did not. The guy on the ball to the outside "covers" #22 in that case, making #22 ineligible by formation.

 

[hawksfan619]

#22 was lined up as a tight end (three point stance) on Unity's right side of the line. You also had trips in a bunch to the far right, with the middle of the bunch lined up on the ball. Not sure what his number was because i was focused on if 22 was actually going to pass protect, which he did not. The guy on the ball to the outside "covers" #22 in that case, making #22 ineligible by formation.

Got it absolutely agree with this just didn’t see it

 

[Doctor_D]

Not trying to open up a can, but 3A has frequently been awesome with crazy finishes when it’s between the publics.

 

[hawksfan619]

#22 was lined up as a tight end (three point stance) on Unity's right side of the line. You also had trips in a bunch to the far right, with the middle of the bunch lined up on the ball. Not sure what his number was because i was focused on if 22 was actually going to pass protect, which he did not. The guy on the ball to the outside "covers" #22 in that case, making #22 ineligible by formation.

You can’t see the formation in this video but assume you’re talking 42 in which case if he was covered definitely this was the caseVideo

 

[hawksfan619]

#22 was lined up as a tight end (three point stance) on Unity's right side of the line. You also had trips in a bunch to the far right, with the middle of the bunch lined up on the ball. Not sure what his number was because i was focused on if 22 was actually going to pass protect, which he did not. The guy on the ball to the outside "covers" #22 in that case, making #22 ineligible by formation.

Do you understand or anyone else why there would not be an untimed down then since the penalty was accepted? I think I’ve heard that it’s correct that it’s not just would like to know what rule specifies that

 

[4Afan]

Do you understand or anyone else why there would not be an untimed down then since the penalty was accepted? I think I’ve heard that it’s correct that it’s not just would like to know what rule specifies that

Game cannot end on a defensive penalty, but it can end on an offensive penalty. The penalty was accepted, but there was no time on the clock.

 

[good_nocall]

You can’t see the formation in this video but assume you’re talking 42 in which case if he was covered definitely this was the caseVideo

It could have been 42 and if so I apologize for the confusion. The kid ran straight down the middle of the field which I think is where you can see 42 until the ball is released and then he runs over to where the play finished.

If the NFHS video or another presnap video becomes available, somebody please link and I can mark up the problem with the formation.

 

[hawksfan619]

It could have been 42 and if so I apologize for the confusion. The kid ran straight down the middle of the field which I think is where you can see 42 until the ball is released and then he runs over to where the play finished.

If the NFHS video or another presnap video becomes available, somebody please link and I can mark up the problem with the formation.

Yeah agreed definitely a penalty. Appreciate the insight we were confused

 

[hawksfan619]

Game cannot end on a defensive penalty, but it can end on an offensive penalty. The penalty was accepted, but there was no time on the clock.

Do you happen to know the rationale behind this? Just curious cause I think this is different than in the NFL

 

[good_nocall]

You're welcome just didn't want this thread to turn into a ref bash when it wouldn't have been justified.

FWIW, I had no rooting interest in the game. My son and I were just bouncing around NFHS and caught the last 7 minutes of the game.

 

[hawksfan619]

You're welcome just didn't want this thread to turn into a ref bash when it wouldn't have been justified.

FWIW, I had no rooting interest in the game. My son and I were just bouncing around NFHS and caught the last 7 minutes of the game.

Yeah same! Frankly I didn’t mind it cause felt like they shouldn’t have had the play to begin with with the second getting added back to the clock just thought it was crazy

 

[4Afan]

Do you happen to know the rationale behind this? Just curious cause I think this is different than in the NFL

In theory, the defense could commit a penalty such as pass interference on the last play of the game just to end the game and get the win, which is why it can't end on defensive penalty.

The offense, however, should not be rewarded with an additional play should they commit a penalty.

It's the same across all levels of football.

 

[hawksfan619]

In theory, the defense could commit a penalty such as pass interference on the last play of the game just to end the game and get the win, which is why it can't end on defensive penalty.

The offense, however, should not be rewarded with an additional play should they commit a penalty.

It's the same across all levels of football.

Okay good to know appreciate it

 

[colin2229]

Not trying to open up a can, but 3A has frequently been awesome with crazy finishes when it’s between the publics.

Ya last year was SUPER crazy.

If Wilmington would have taken care of business, we woulda got the the all public final.

 

[xajku8-wiqzYj-bozxor]

Game cannot end on a defensive penalty, but it can end on an offensive penalty. The penalty was accepted, but there was no time on the clock.

In the video below on X, the ref motioned that the penalty was declined by Monticello, so the game was then over????

https://x.com/TristanThomasTV/status...52019372196250

If the penalty was declined, Unity wins as he caught the pass for a TD.

 

[Doctor_D]

Ya last year was SUPER crazy.

If Wilmington would have taken care of business, we woulda got the the all public final.

I’m thinking back the past decade. Wilmo-Williamsville, Byron vs Monticello and Byron vs Williamsville. These three in the past 10 years were some of the best finals games of all time. Unfortunately, it’s not often that the finals games aren’t anticlimactic

 

[Gestalt45]

I’m thinking back the past decade. Wilmo-Williamsville, Byron vs Monticello and Byron vs Williamsville. These three in the past 10 years were some of the best finals games of all time. Unfortunately, it’s not often that the finals games aren’t anticlimactic

Idk what 3A playoffs you’ve been watching but Montini knocking out two teams with 22+ game winning streaks is pretty climactic….

 

[Doctor_D]

Idk what 3A playoffs you’ve been watching but Montini knocking out two teams with 22+ game winning streaks is pretty climactic….

I’m not knocking them at all. The Broncos were beyond impressive today. The win vs Byron was epic. I’m talking about the title game probably being a runaway.

 

[good_nocall]

In the video below on X, the ref motioned that the penalty was declined by Monticello, so the game was then over????

https://x.com/TristanThomasTV/status...52019372196250

If the penalty was declined, Unity wins as he caught the pass for a TD.

Yeah, the penalty wasn't declined despite what was displayed. Wrong signal was displayed.

Anybody know how to embed an image in a post?

 

[crusader_of_90]

Yeah, the penalty wasn't declined despite what was displayed. Wrong signal was displayed.

Anybody know how to embed an image in a post?

If he image is posted online, link that image URL with the picture icon in the above menu/

 

[Gestalt45]

I’m not knocking them at all. The Broncos were beyond impressive today. The win vs Byron was epic. I’m talking about the title game probably being a runaway.

A runaway? Seems premature- Monticello runs a totally different offense than Byron/Wilmo and the Bronco offense has been the opposite of consistent

 

[Doctor_D]

A runaway? Seems premature- Monticello runs a totally different offense than Byron/Wilmo and the Bronco offense has been the opposite of consistent

We will see, but my money is on the Broncos

 

[colin2229]

I’m thinking back the past decade. Wilmo-Williamsville, Byron vs Monticello and Byron vs Williamsville. These three in the past 10 years were some of the best finals games of all time. Unfortunately, it’s not often that the finals games aren’t anticlimactic

2006 Plano/SJO was my favorite.

I blame the south for the poor 3A title games that have taken place.

 

[Gestalt45]

2006 Plano/SJO was my favorite.

I blame the south for the poor 3A title games that have taken place.

Nick Nasti at RB for Plano!!?

 

[4Afan]

Nick Nasti at RB for Plano!!?

Greatest name for a FB ever.

 

[Gestalt45]

Greatest name for a FB ever.

Strong lore in that era I believe Tony Vercelli was the wilmo tank?

 

[Doctor_D]

2006 Plano/SJO was my favorite.

I blame the south for the poor 3A title games that have taken place.

The south has it rough with demographics, but they’ve had their time to shine every once in a while.
I don’t see Montini losing to Monticello. They just have too many weapons and are very solid defensively.

 

[colin2229]

I don’t see Montini losing to Monticello. They just have too many weapons and are very solid defensively.

Wish we could switch things up and have:

Althoff vs Montini
Lena Vs Monticello

 

[xajku8-wiqzYj-bozxor]

Game cannot end on a defensive penalty, but it can end on an offensive penalty. The penalty was accepted, but there was no time on the clock.

In theory, the defense could commit a penalty such as pass interference on the last play of the game just to end the game and get the win, which is why it can't end on defensive penalty.

The offense, however, should not be rewarded with an additional play should they commit a penalty.

It's the same across all levels of football.

Not according to this NFHS rule.

NFHS Rule 3-3-3:

A period must be extended by an untimed down if, during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurred:

a. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted, except for those fouls listed in 3-3-4b.

 

[4Afan]

Not according to this NFHS rule.

NFHS Rule 3-3-3:

A period must be extended by an untimed down if, during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurred:

a. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted, except for those fouls listed in 3-3-4b.

What are the fouls listed in 3-3-4b?

Also, do we know if the IHSA abides by all NFHS rules?

 

[xajku8-wiqzYj-bozxor]

What are the fouls listed in 3-3-4b?

Also, do we know if the IHSA abides by all NFHS rules?

3-3-4b

1. Unsportsmanlike fouls
2. Non-player fouls
3. Fouls that specify loss of downs
4. Fouls that are enforced on subsequent kickoff
5. Fouls for which enforcement, by rule, result in a safety


And YES the IHSA follows NFHS rules