Modern offense

[kyjeff1]

The team in black had one and made us look stupid for most of this game.

Their defense fed off their offense.

We’re still trying dumb post up offense and taking jump shots… bad ones. Why even go with a post offense if you can’t beat a smaller team with it?

An efficient offense will beat a goid defense every time. You have to score, maybe one of these days Cal and his fans will realize this.

Can't wait until Cal turns Aaron Bradshaw into a back to the basket center next year like he did to Skal.

 

[mcnicKY91]

The team in black had one and made us look stupid for most of this game.

Their defense fed off their offense.

We’re still trying dumb post up offense and taking jump shots… bad ones. Why even go with a post offense if you can’t beat a smaller team with it?

An efficient offense will beat a goid defense every time. You have to score, maybe one of these days Cal and his fans will realize this.

Can't wait until Cal turns Aaron Bradshaw into a back to the basket center next year like he did to Skal.

You have been pining the entire season for this team to take more 3s and less 15-18 footers...anybody could easily pull up dozens of posts you have about this team shooting more 3s.

Once again, we lose another game shooting 20 plus 3s.

The problem this year is our inability to defend. Anybody who understands the game knows this. Offense is not the issue.

Vandy could drive at will, just like most other teams did against the Cats this year. Additionally, they got wide open 3 after wide open 3. You don't know what you are talking about, and the facts bear that out with this team.

 

[Tampa_cat54_rivals112262]

Offense was NOT the issue tonight.

We couldn't guard a soul, and Cal refuses to go Zone.

Makes ZERO sense.

 

[kyjeff1]

You have been pining the entire season for this team to take more 3s and less 15-18 footers...anybody could easily pull up dozens of posts you have about this team shooting more 3s.

Once again, we lose another game shooting 20 plus 3s.

The problem this year is our inability to defend. Anybody who understands the game knows this. Offense is not the issue.

Vandy could drive at will, just like most other teams did against the Cats this year. Additionally, they got wide open 3 after wide open 3. You don't know what you are talking about, and the facts bear that out with this team.

This ain't about shooting threes.

Vandy spread the fvcking floor and got everything they fvcking wanted.

THAT’S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. It’s not about 3's. It’s about a spread freaking offense.

 

[Rockfly78]

Offense was NOT the issue tonight.

We couldn't guard a soul, and Cal refuses to go Zone.

Makes ZERO sense.

Can’t zone a team shooting the way they were shooting. I think it’s safe to say that vandy is a very bad matchup for Kentucky. Let’s hope we don’t run into a small team from here on out

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

You have been pining the entire season for this team to take more 3s and less 15-18 footers...anybody could easily pull up dozens of posts you have about this team shooting more 3s.

Once again, we lose another game shooting 20 plus 3s.

The problem this year is our inability to defend. Anybody who understands the game knows this. Offense is not the issue.

Vandy could drive at will, just like most other teams did against the Cats this year. Additionally, they got wide open 3 after wide open 3. You don't know what you are talking about, and the facts bear that out with this team.

The inability to defend has been our problems for 3 years in a row. It’s like we never work on defense.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

You have been pining the entire season for this team to take more 3s and less 15-18 footers...anybody could easily pull up dozens of posts you have about this team shooting more 3s.

Once again, we lose another game shooting 20 plus 3s.

The problem this year is our inability to defend. Anybody who understands the game knows this. Offense is not the issue.

Vandy could drive at will, just like most other teams did against the Cats this year. Additionally, they got wide open 3 after wide open 3. You don't know what you are talking about, and the facts bear that out with this team.

The problem every year is the offense, the defense happens to be bad this year. Y’all make these excuses year after year.

 

[Tampa_cat54_rivals112262]

Can’t zone a team shooting the way they were shooting. I think it’s safe to say that vandy is a very bad matchup for Kentucky. Let’s hope we don’t run into a small team from here on out

That simply isn't true.

They made so many 3s because they carved us up getting into the paint and got wide open looks. Shut down their drive and kick and make their offense stagnant, dudes wouldn't get rhythm jumpers the entire game.

 

[Burly]

You can’t keep recruiting size and ignore skill
We got one scorer on the team
He’s a terrible judge of talent anymore and building a roster

 

[kyjeff1]

Offense was NOT the issue tonight.

We couldn't guard a soul, and Cal refuses to go Zone.

Makes ZERO sense.

Yes it certainly was, missed a ton of free throws, never used our advantages in the paint and settled for jump shots.

When you play teams like Vandy and KU, you have to outscore them, you aren't going to shut them down.

Pathetic offense lost this game.

 

[kyjeff1]

The inability to defend has been our problems for 3 years in a row. It’s like we never work on defense.

Because the days of shutting teams down, is over. You beat teams with offense now. Your defense feeds off your offense. It used to be the other way around, but not now.

Take a look at UT, they have a great defense, but they aren't going anywhere and it's because their offense sucks, just like ours does

 

[fatguy87]

The inability to defend has been our problems for 3 years in a row. It’s like we never work on defense.

We haven't had a top 30 kenpom defense since 2019.

The 2020 team had 2 NBA guards + Hagans + Richards and ranked 52nd in adjusted defensive rating. There are some deep issues with our system that's evinced by a consistent stretch of defensive mediocrity.

 

[DaDirtyLeb69]

I look forward to tomorrow when, vandy goes goes like 3/25 from 3 because A&M will actually make adjustments and not let vandy get layups and to the damn rim every time

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Because the days of shutting teams down, is over. You beat teams with offense now. Your defense feeds off your offense. It used to be the other way around, but not now.

Take a look at UT, they have a great defense, but they aren't going anywhere and it's because their offense sucks, just like ours does

I respectfully disagree because It takes both. Relying solely on offense and the ability to outscore opponents will get you sent home when your shots aren’t falling.

 

[kyjeff1]

I respectfully disagree because It takes both. Relying solely on offense and the ability to outscore opponents will get you sent home when your shots aren’t falling.

You have to be able to score, if you aren't running a spread offense, you're just dumb.

Vandy didn’t have a great defense, but they didn't have a problem stopping our ****** offense. Theur defense fed off their offense.

 

[ukcatz12]

Take a look at UT, they have a great defense, but they aren't going anywhere and it's because their offense sucks, just like ours does

UT isn't going anywhere because their 3 point defense has absolutely fallen off a cliff the last month or so, partially due to some injuries.

 

[kyjeff1]

UT isn't going anywhere because their 3 point defense has absolutely fallen off a cliff the last month or so, partially due to some injuries.

They’re still a top 5 defensive team.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

You have to be able to score, if you aren't running a spread offense, you're just dumb.

Vandy didn’t have a great defense, but they didn't have a problem stopping our ****** offense. Theur defense fed off their offense.

Dude we missed a lot of open shots that 2nd half. It wasn’t like every thing was contested.

 

[kyjeff1]

Dude we missed a lot of open shots that 2nd half. It wasn’t like every thing was contested.

But I thought you said offense wasn't our problem? Did we miss shots, or was our defense the problem?

 

[SkyPrince1]

I agree from a roster construction point of view.
As I was watching tonight, I thought to myself maybe we should stop recruiting players like Livingston at the 3.
Regardless we didn't play the game of basketball well enough to win tonight no matter what style we play.

 

[Lightbringer12]

Coach Cal is the opposite of Coach Saban… when Saban lost a national title due to not having enough offense he went from being defensive minded and went all out on offense. Cal is stuck in the past live or die by the defense and archaic offense. Such a terrible product! We need an innovative coach not some washed up dinosaur…

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

But I thought you said offense wasn't our problem? Did we miss shots, or was our defense the problem?

we missed open shots so the offense was getting good looks. Dear Lord are you just mad and can’t comprehend what your reading or what?

 

[HagginHall1999]

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/...ve-up-80-points-and-win.388625/#post-11789282

 

[kyjeff1]

we missed open shots so the offense was getting good looks. Dear Lord are you just mad and can’t comprehend what your reading or what?

You're making my point. We’re missing shots, because our offense is based on long 2 point jump shots. You don't miss too many when you get layups like Vandy was getting.

 

[HagginHall1999]

We scored, what 73 and missed a dozen free throws.

This is where you and I just have to agree to disagree. If this team played defense we would be Top 10....easily.

 

[ukcatz12]

But I thought you said offense wasn't our problem? Did we miss shots, or was our defense the problem?

The offensive scheme wasn't the problem. It created open shots, like it's created open shots all year long. And that's really all you can ask of an offense gameplan: to put players in the position to make open shots. The losses to MSU and Gonzaga were absolutely filled with wide open bricks. At some point the players just have to make shots.

You can rely on the eye test all day long, but there's simply no world where the eye test of fans is a better evaluator of an offense than every single offensive efficiency metric. The offense is fine. Screaming about "modern offense" all the time just isn't an accurate critique at this point and it's turned into a giant circle jerk.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

We missed 11 free throws. I guess I free throw offense sucks too.

 

[kyjeff1]

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/...ve-up-80-points-and-win.388625/#post-11789282

We allowed Vandy to get into a rhythm and our offense never answered. Our offense stepped on it's dicks all night long and our defense had no energy because of it.

 

[kyjeff1]

The offensive scheme wasn't the problem. It created open shots, like it's created open shots all year long. And that's really all you can ask of an offense gameplan: to put players in the position to make open shots. The losses to MSU and Gonzaga were absolutely filled with wide open bricks. At some point the players just have to make shots.

You can rely on the eye test all day long, but there's simply no world where the eye test of fans is a better evaluator of an offense than every single offensive efficiency metric. The offense is fine. Screaming about "modern offense" all the time just isn't an accurate critique at this point and it's turned into a giant circle jerk.

Yeah, our offense creates long 2 point jump shots and guess what, we don't create them, the opposition wants us to take those

 

[kyjeff1]

We missed 11 free throws. I guess I free throw offense sucks too.

It does. Free throws are part of the offense are they not?

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

We allowed Vandy to get into a rhythm and our offense never answered. Our offense stepped on it's dicks all night long and our defense had no energy because of it.

So you do agree that it was both missing wide open shots and them hitting wide open shots?

 

[HagginHall1999]

Not taking blame from Cal at all but also not pointing it to being an offensive issue.

Here are the probs IMHO in best possible order I can think of.

1. No rim protector was developed. Collins and Ugo are no factor whatsoever. One of those guys should be playing 10-15 mins a game spelling Oscar but they are simply not good enough or unprepared or something.

2. Thiero- he is an elite defensive talent that has spent the majority of the year guarding a water bottle. He should have 15-20 minutes per game, every game. He impacts the game without scoring. He is a Desmond Allison type of player but with more of a physical skill set.

3. Reeves- the offense should be revolving around him constantly.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Again we can just disagree and move on. The metrics plainly show our offense hasn’t been the problem this year or the last 3-4 years.

 

[ukcatz12]

So you do agree that it was both missing wide open shots and them hitting wide open shots?

He'll use every excuse in the book to avoid admitting the defense is the problem. Apparently now an offense can be so bad it makes the defense bad through no fault of the defense itself. Crazy.

 

[SkyPrince1]

The offensive scheme wasn't the problem. It created open shots, like it's created open shots all year long. And that's really all you can ask of an offense gameplan: to put players in the position to make open shots. The losses to MSU and Gonzaga were absolutely filled with wide open bricks. At some point the players just have to make shots.

You can rely on the eye test all day long, but there's simply no world where the eye test of fans is a better evaluator of an offense than every single offensive efficiency metric. The offense is fine. Screaming about "modern offense" all the time just isn't an accurate critique at this point and it's turned into a giant circle jerk.

Agree.
No matter what style of offense you play, go out and win the match up with the guy across from you and you will win the game.
We were badly outplayed at all perimeter positions tonight.
Maybe you could make the case that Reeves played his man to a draw but Wallace, CJ and Chris were destroyed by their Vandy counterparts tonight.

 

[HagginHall1999]

We allowed Vandy to get into a rhythm and our offense never answered. Our offense stepped on it's dicks all night long and our defense had no energy because of it.

We gave up 80 something. Again, you will not win in NCAAT giving up 80. You just won't.

There are 7 Power5 schools scoring 80 per game. These are facts man. I don't think our offense is perfect but this is exactly what I said a week ago....if we lose (likely when we lose) in NCAAT it won't be because we score 52 and lose by 8. It will be because we gave up 75+ and have an off shooting night.

Good teams overcome bad shooting nights with sound defense. We get open shots. We do. We cannot guard Ray Charles.

 

[ArtLaibsGhost_rivals]

The inability to defend has been our problems for 3 years in a row. It’s like we never work on defense.

Or perhaps the players we have brought in here lack the HEART to be good defenders. Defense is ALOT of work and prima Donna Burger Boys aren't inclined to do that. Still Cal has to MAKE THEM PLAY DEFENSE OR TELL EM THEY SIT

 

[mcnicKY91]

This ain't about shooting threes.

Vandy spread the fvcking floor and got everything they fvcking wanted.

THAT’S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. It’s not about 3's. It’s about a spread freaking offense.

Nah...you have said a million times you hate when UK takes 15-18 footers...and that they need to take more 3s. It would take me 10 seconds to compile all those posts you made clamoring for more 3s because the 15-18 ft shot is the worst shot in basketball....everybody on this board knows that, because you have been screaming that from the rooftops until you are blue in the face. You have started thread after thread stating the same garbage over and over.

Every college basketball analyst/expert has said for the past two months that our defense is the issue. Mainly our inability to stop the drive. The numbers (aka as facts) back that up. I guess none of them know what they are talking about it...but somehow you are the only one that does.

 

[Cats_2010]

Nah...you have said a million times you hate when UK takes 15-18 footers...and that they need to take more 3s. It would take me 10 seconds to compile all those posts you made clamoring for more 3s because the 15-18 ft shot is the worst shot in basketball....everybody on this board knows that, because you have been screaming that from the rooftops until you are blue in the face. You have started thread after thread stating the same garbage over and over.

Every college basketball analyst/expert has said for the past two months that our defense is the issue. Mainly our inability to stop the drive. The numbers (aka as facts) back that up. I guess none of them know what they are talking about it...but somehow you are the only one that does.

We took away arkansas’ ability to drive by adjusting our defense and making them beat us from the perimeter. Why did we not do the same against Vandy? It’s actually how we should play everybody because this team cannot stop players from getting to the rim in their straight up man to man defense. Don’t have to tell you what the meaning of insanity is.

 

[kyjeff1]

Nah...you have said a million times you hate when UK takes 15-18 footers...and that they need to take more 3s. It would take me 10 seconds to compile all those posts you made clamoring for more 3s because the 15-18 ft shot is the worst shot in basketball....everybody on this board knows that, because you have been screaming that from the rooftops until you are blue in the face. You have started thread after thread stating the same garbage over and over.

Every college basketball analyst/expert has said for the past two months that our defense is the issue. Mainly our inability to stop the drive. The numbers (aka as facts) back that up. I guess none of them know what they are talking about it...but somehow you are the only one that does.

I literally said this wasn't about shooting 3's, it's about running a spread offense where your guards only have to beat 1 guy.

Could you imagine Fox, Wall, Knight and Ulis running point in a spread offense next to a couple of good shooters? Who the hell would be able to defend that?