Miller Needs to "Lobby" Pike? Disturbing

[Rac'nRoll]

I don't think I'm looking at this the wrong way. After what might be charitably described as disastrous defensive performances vs. Lehigh, NJIT (Ex-McConnell), Lafayette, and UMASS, the Head Coach has to be "lobbied" by a Freshman to alert the Coach that he can help the team on the defensive end vs. Clemson? So what does this say about the HC, his ability to evaluate talent (He was looking at redshirting the kid), and most importantly, his ability to put the right players on the floor to give his team the best chance to win games? For me, this is just disturbing.

“I walked into his office and was talking about our team and what we really needed,” Miller said. “I felt we really needed someone to give us a spark — not only on the defensive end, but just overall bringing energy to the floor.”

“I told Pike I really believe I can help the team,” he said. “We discussed what my role could be and how I can keep progressing through that.”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...ives-can-jalen-miller-light-spark/6412044001/

 

[Sweet Pea's Corner]

Maybe it was a hint of the portal.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Good for him…yet also sad. This stuff should not be hitting the media. Not a great look for the coaching staff.

 

[dpwhite]

I don't think I'm looking at this the wrong way. After what might be charitably described as disastrous defensive performances vs. Lehigh, NJIT (Ex-McConnell), Lafayette, and UMASS, the Head Coach has to be "lobbied" by a Freshman to alert the Coach that he can help the team on the defensive end vs. Clemson? So what does this say about the HC, his ability to evaluate talent (He was looking at redshirting the kid), and most importantly, his ability to put the right players on the floor to give his team the best chance to win games? For me, this is just disturbing.

“I walked into his office and was talking about our team and what we really needed,” Miller said. “I felt we really needed someone to give us a spark — not only on the defensive end, but just overall bringing energy to the floor.”

“I told Pike I really believe I can help the team,” he said. “We discussed what my role could be and how I can keep progressing through that.”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...ives-can-jalen-miller-light-spark/6412044001/

Did you miss the part in the article where the redshirt was mutually agreed upon?

 

[Rac'nRoll]

Did you miss the part in the article where the redshirt was mutually agreed upon?

You mean "tentatively agreed upon"?
The kid is a Freshman. He agreed to what the HC/Coaching Staff suggested. He's supposed to do that
OK, maybe I should not have even mentioned the redshirt because it didn't happen.
My point stands, which is that Pike's team had defensive lapse upon defensive lapse vs. 3 low Majors (the Patriots & NJIT) and one mid-major, UMASS. And after seeing these kids in practice every single day, it's the kid himself who has to tell the HC that he can "bring defensive energy to the floor"? Not good. Sorry.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

Why is this a problem?

This happens all the time in every program. A kid went into the coaches office to discuss playing time. Pikiell gave him a chance and he earned some minutes. what is the big deal?

 

[rubigtimenow]

At the open practice when mentioning Miller, I think at the breakfast portion or perhaps it was on the court, Pike praised his defense and said something about how Miller is always lobbying for playing time and how he can help the team.

 

[wheezer]

Coach redshirted Johnson his first year here and I would guess that might have been the intent here.

I would bet Johnson had conversations about playing that year, but coach thought he was not quite ready.

And, had we played Johnson, he might have helped us win a game or two, that we will never know

I would not question a redshirt call, because you have to believe the staff wants to win even more than the fans, and they are looking at each situation long term

Yes, Miller can help us this year, as I am sure Johnson could have his first
.
This year differs because the situation became desperate, we were not so back then

 

[Rutgers25]

Redshirting guards is virtually unheard of this day and age. Even unusual for big men other than complete projects. It’s bizarre

 

[biazza38]

Why is this a problem?

This happens all the time in every program. A kid went into the coaches office to discuss playing time. Pikiell gave him a chance and he earned some minutes. what is the big deal?

It’s a problem because at the end of the day, Pike overplayed his hand and we lost to trash teams such as Lafayette and Umass. Who know if Miller would have made a difference. But I’m willing to bet he would have helped against Umass on the defensive side

 

[bethlehemfan]

Just what the board needed. Another troll.

 

[bac2therac]

It was a horrible decision. You really think Miller had a choice..lol

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

It was a horrible decision. You really think Miller had a choice..lol

Probably.

Coming in to the season it was assumed there would be little to no minutes for him this year. We possibly had a ton of perimeter minutes not coming back in 2022-23.

Going in to the season people expected.....

Cliff-Agee 40

Baker 32
Harper 32
Hyatt 24
McConnell 24
Paul 24
Jones 24

Mag, Palmquist ????

I think it would be logical for both parties to sit down and be honest and realistic with each other. If you were Miller would you want to waste a year of eligibility playing blow out minutes?

 

[RUPete]

Coach redshirted Johnson his first year here and I would guess that might have been the intent here.

I would bet Johnson had conversations about playing that year, but coach thought he was not quite ready.

And, had we played Johnson, he might have helped us win a game or two, that we will never know

I would not question a redshirt call, because you have to believe the staff wants to win even more than the fans, and they are looking at each situation long term

Yes, Miller can help us this year, as I am sure Johnson could have his first
.
This year differs because the situation became desperate, we were not so back then

I think the decision may have been a little easier for Johnson because I believe he was still working his way back from a knee injury in high school. And I agree with you that the situation became a little more desperate, especially with Geo being out. Plans change all the time.

 

[ancienthooper]

Mountain meet molehill. Kind of ironic the OP is a Redshirt.

 

[BillyC80]

Could Miller have played in those early OOC games and still redshirted?

 

[mikeyoc]

Redshirting guards is virtually unheard of this day and age. Even unusual for big men other than complete projects. It’s bizarre

It's not bizarre. If the staff truly believed he was better than the guys ahead of him he would have been in there from the beginning. Just common sense.

 

[RUsojo]

It is interesting Pike listened to a freshman this year but did not listen to some star players last year.

But either way players going to coaches about PT and the team strategy etc is a good thing.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I never saw much redshirting in basketball in the first place but it really makes no sense these days. How many guys are you going to keep around for 5 years anymore? You redshirt a guy and then he grad transfers out before you use up his eligibility anyway. It’s pointless. MAYBE, you can argue that Myles wouldn’t have been tempted to leave this year if he didn’t have two years (because of COVID free year) instead of one. Big Maybe. But because we redshirted him we only got 3 productive years out of him instead of 4. Even if he couldn’t contribute much his first year he could’ve contributed SOMETHING.

Maybe redshirting takes the heat off the coach from worrying about hurting someone’s feeling regarding minutes or giving ammo to people in the player’s ear that he should go somewhere where he isn’t playing very limited minutes. Don’t know. But it doesn’t make sense.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Mountain meet molehill. Kind of ironic the OP is a Redshirt.

I’m guessing retread.

 

[S_Janowski]

It is interesting Pike listened to a freshman this year but did not listen to some star players last year.

But either way players going to coaches about PT and the team strategy etc is a good thing.

Assuming you’re referring to at least JY - there really isn’t any similarity between the situations.

Also, JY averaged over 30 mins a game last year, which is almost 5 minutes more than he’s averaging on a crappy and less talented Oregon team.

Maybe, just maybe Pikiell wasn’t that far off on how players like JY (or Mathis) were handled last year?

Crazy concept for you to grasp or accept but I can’t stop myself from responding to you every single time you trying to randomly make a connection to last year. Need to move on!

 

[gregkoko]

Could Miller have played in those early OOC games and still redshirted?

No, the rule in basketball is still one game to burn your redshirt. Only redshirts are zero games played or medical. I believe that is going to change in the neat future, though.

Miller sounds like a future captain to me. Love his energy. Love the quotes in the article

 

[RUsojo]

Assuming you’re referring to at least JY - there really isn’t any similarity between the situations.

Also, JY averaged over 30 mins a game last year, which is almost 5 minutes more than he’s averaging on a crappy and less talented Oregon team.

Maybe, just maybe Pikiell wasn’t that far off on how players like JY (or Mathis) were handled last year?

Crazy concept for you to grasp or accept but I can’t stop myself from responding to you every single time you trying to randomly make a connection to last year. Need to move on!

No need to get upset.

Like i said, it’s a good thing for players to ask coaches for PT and make suggestions for the team strategy etc.

The situations are similar there’s no arguing there as it’s the same act taking place. Obviously the outcomes/stakes are different I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[S_Janowski]

No need to get upset.

Like i said, it’s a good thing for players to ask coaches for PT and make suggestions for the team strategy etc.

The situations are similar there’s no arguing there as it’s the same act taking place. Obviously the outcomes/stakes are different I agree wholeheartedly.

Agree it’s a good thing for a kid to ask for PT, that means that want to play and contribute.

Totally disagree this situations are similar but glad you confirmed you were referring to at least JY.

A true frosh where plans may been to redshirt wanting to get in vs. Jacob Young, who averaged over 30 mins a game last year wanting to play more are total different situations imo.

Also to get back to my main point - it’s actually looking like Pikiell managed JY fairly well and put him in positions to flourish, based on what he accomplished at Texas and now Oregon.

I know that’s a very difficult thought, but you should consider it. I know that if JY was averaging 35 mins and 20pts a game right now for Oregon you would be telling us non-stop how bad Pikiell managed him…so maybe it’s time to re-assess?

 

[RUsojo]

Agree it’s a good thing for a kid to ask for PT, that means that want to play and contribute.

Totally disagree this situations are similar but glad you confirmed you were referring to at least JY.

A true frosh where plans may been to redshirt wanting to get in vs. Jacob Young, who averaged over 30 mins a game last year wanting to play more are total different situations imo.

Also to get back to my main point - it’s actually looking like Pikiell managed JY fairly well and put him in positions to flourish, based on what he accomplished at Texas and now Oregon.

I know that’s a very difficult thought, but you should consider it. I know that if JY was averaging 35 mins and 20pts a game right now for Oregon you would be telling us non-stop how bad Pikiell managed him…so maybe it’s time to re-assess?

We agree on somethings (wow look at us) but I disagree on Pikiell managing JY well.

He essentially managed JY out of RU. JY at Oregon is shooting better than everyone on our team who’s not a center. IMO (and this has been my belief for a while as you know) we desperately need JY with this roster construction and instead our most important player isn’t here.

We see things differently I know but to me the takeaway is Pikiell managed him so poorly he left even for a potentially smaller role. That’s really bad. Although having watched Oregon a fair bit I expect JY to go back up to 30 mins and take the place of the second guard soon I forget his name.

That is the risk of a coach not believing starting matters when the players all believe it does.

 

[needmorecowbell]

I don't think I'm looking at this the wrong way. After what might be charitably described as disastrous defensive performances vs. Lehigh, NJIT (Ex-McConnell), Lafayette, and UMASS, the Head Coach has to be "lobbied" by a Freshman to alert the Coach that he can help the team on the defensive end vs. Clemson? So what does this say about the HC, his ability to evaluate talent (He was looking at redshirting the kid), and most importantly, his ability to put the right players on the floor to give his team the best chance to win games? For me, this is just disturbing.

“I walked into his office and was talking about our team and what we really needed,” Miller said. “I felt we really needed someone to give us a spark — not only on the defensive end, but just overall bringing energy to the floor.”

“I told Pike I really believe I can help the team,” he said. “We discussed what my role could be and how I can keep progressing through that.”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...ives-can-jalen-miller-light-spark/6412044001/

Every player wants more time. Man everyone is trying to find ways to hate on Pike.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Everytime Pike thinks he needs to redshirt another player, he should stop and reevaluate his approach to recruiting.

 

[needmorecowbell]

Pike shouldn’t make any more decisions without thinking WWTMBD?

What would the message board do

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Redshirting guards is virtually unheard of this day and age. Even unusual for big men other than complete projects. It’s bizarre

You are 100% wrong.....Purdue redshirt kids regularly and has redshirted back to back Top 150 recruits....the program and player has to make a decision on whether a frosh can impact the rotation or roster in limited minutes AND while not knowing the system or deciding on getting a full year to know the system before playing.

Look, I get fans are nitpicking on every little thing because Football is terrible and miles or 2 years from being somewhat competent and fans are dumb enough to believe everything a coach says in the media.

In football, redshirting is anticipated because it makes no sense to play a 18 or 19 year old against a 23 to 24 year old 5th year senior.

Redshirting is about making sure your freshman have a chance to succeed AND about developing your program with depth....doesn't mean every single player is going to pan out, but I can compare RHJ at age 21 and another senior on another team at age 23 or 24.....they're both seniors, but the older or more mature you can get your roster, the better it is.

Jalen Miller (if Geo Baker is healthy and if Paul Mulcahy could actually defend someone that is an opposing guard) should probably redshirt and improve his game, so his 4 years of eligibility are maxed out......RU has enough guards right now,, if Baker is healthy.......

Just because a kid redshirts, doesn't mean the player is going to stay all 5 years at RU or any school, but Miller can play up to 6 to 8 games this year and maintain a redshirt....(NCAA revised rule that I believe was confirmed this summer, to mirror the 4 game rule in football).......time will tell if he continues to play each and every game.

The lobbying by the player or Pike is not meant to be micromanaged.....at some point, please ignore what a coach says and look at what a coach does as the more important item......if I coach places a 2-deep or depth chart like Schiano does every single year, the same fans run with it, as if it's some sort of revelation.......if Pike says the 5 position is the best it'sever been, are you going to believe it, because Pike says it??? ........until crunch time happens and kids who were placed on the 2-deep in football, never played more than garbage time snaps vs Ohio State......same happens in basketball.....kids play or they dont, it's not overly complicated

Get it together folks, if we are going to believe everything a coach says, I can't imagine what happens when the game rolls around tomorrow, or next week or next month.....

 

[RAC’emUp]

I never saw much redshirting in basketball in the first place but it really makes no sense these days. How many guys are you going to keep around for 5 years anymore? You redshirt a guy and then he grad transfers out before you use up his eligibility anyway. It’s pointless. MAYBE, you can argue that Myles wouldn’t have been tempted to leave this year if he didn’t have two years (because of COVID free year) instead of one. Big Maybe. But because we redshirted him we only got 3 productive years out of him instead of 4. Even if he couldn’t contribute much his first year he could’ve contributed SOMETHING.

Maybe redshirting takes the heat off the coach from worrying about hurting someone’s feeling regarding minutes or giving ammo to people in the player’s ear that he should go somewhere where he isn’t playing very limited minutes. Don’t know. But it doesn’t make sense.

I remember watching Myles closely in warm ups his redshirt year and thought he would never contribute. He literally could not dunk. So maybe that was one redshirt that made sense. But otherwise ….

 

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I don't think I'm looking at this the wrong way. After what might be charitably described as disastrous defensive performances vs. Lehigh, NJIT (Ex-McConnell), Lafayette, and UMASS, the Head Coach has to be "lobbied" by a Freshman to alert the Coach that he can help the team on the defensive end vs. Clemson? So what does this say about the HC, his ability to evaluate talent (He was looking at redshirting the kid), and most importantly, his ability to put the right players on the floor to give his team the best chance to win games? For me, this is just disturbing.

“I walked into his office and was talking about our team and what we really needed,” Miller said. “I felt we really needed someone to give us a spark — not only on the defensive end, but just overall bringing energy to the floor.”

“I told Pike I really believe I can help the team,” he said. “We discussed what my role could be and how I can keep progressing through that.”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...ives-can-jalen-miller-light-spark/6412044001/

Effectively doesn't Miller have an extra year anyway: everyone from Froh - Seniors because of Covid?

Glad he has the cojones to speak up: It's Miller time!

MO

 

[knightfan7]

I thought this was common knowledge. It was discussed by the TV crew working the Clemson game.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

The original post is ridiculous! It feels like politics where the ideologues blow up and twist any little thing the opposing party does.

 

[SantaFeScarlet]

Good for him…yet also sad. This stuff should not be hitting the media. Not a great look for the coaching staff.

A realistic look of the coaching staff

 

[SantaFeScarlet]

Everytime Pike thinks he needs to redshirt another player, he should stop and reevaluate his approach to recruiting.

+100000