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madskilz

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Mike DeCourcy thought that Tray Lyles and Keven Booker both would have benefited immensely if they would have returned to Kentucky for another year. In that year they could have learned how to go from a good player to a dominate player. He used Michael Beasley as an example.
 
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akaukswoosh

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Lyles would have been a super soph and top 5 pick. Apparently didn't matter to his people.
 
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KYDave32

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Originally posted by madskilz:
Mike DeCourcy thought that Tray Lyles and Keven Booker both would have benefited immensely if they would have returned to Kentucky for another year. In that year they could have learned how to go from a good player to a dominate player. He used Michael Beasley as an example.
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They said the same thing about Derrick Bledsoe also but he turned out fine..
 
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W_Heisenberg

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The money difference between where these guys are being projected to go and moving up to around 8-10 isn't significant over the course of a career. They are much better off going early, getting the first contract out of the way, and moving to bigger bucks. Losing a year off a NBA career costs a lot more than what you could give up in the draft.

Lyles could have maybe worked up to 10-ish range, but top 5 would be tough considering you have guys like Maker, Skal, Simmons, Brown, etc. coming in.

Michael Beasley is a poor example because he didn't have the work ethic as others, no college coach was going to teach him how to stop smoking weed.
 
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SilentsAreGolden

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I'm sure there are a ton of examples of guys that should have come back, but the lure of that much money when you are 18 or 19 is too much to pass up for most people.
 
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reignof cats

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He also used Xavier Henry and Josh Selby as 1 and dones who did not pan out. Funny they both went to Kansas and have nothing to do with Cal. Booker and Lyles are going to be fine. MD sounds like he is a hater. GBB
 
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TortElvisII

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Tray Lyles and Kevin Booker should stay in school as neither is on a draft board anywhere.
 
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Kommonwealth

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I read the article and it was pretty spot on. Also, he used Blake Griffin as an example, not Beasley.

He made a great point and is correct in how both would benefit from a return to college, but they'll be fine either way. If both wanted to chase the dream of a top 5 or top 10 pick then they'd come back but still being in the lottery is all the same.
 
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W_Heisenberg

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Last I checked Henry is playing the Lakers, he was never going to be a star, just a role player.

Selby is a head case, poor example.
 
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I guess the only good thing about going in the 15-20 range vs top 10 is you go to a much better team and probably get to be brought along slowly vs having to be the man on a terrible team.
 
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revcort

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Originally posted by reignof cats:
He also used Xavier Henry and Josh Selby as 1 and dones who did not pan out. Funny they both went to Kansas and have nothing to do with Cal. Booker and Lyles are going to be fine. MD sounds like he is a hater. GBB
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Mike Decourcy is anything but a hater. I agree that Lyles and Booker will be fine but I agree that they could have benefited from another year at UK. MD always gives Calipari and UK fair treatment.
 
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UKWildcatT

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Originally posted by IL Wildcat:

Originally posted by reignof cats:
He also used Xavier Henry and Josh Selby as 1 and dones who did not pan out. Funny they both went to Kansas and have nothing to do with Cal. Booker and Lyles are going to be fine. MD sounds like he is a hater. GBB
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Mike Decourcy is anything but a hater. I agree that Lyles and Booker will be fine but I agree that they could have benefited from another year at UK. MD always gives Calipari and UK fair treatment.
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Agreed. DeCourcy is one of the fairest writers out there. I may not agree with 100% of what he says, but I'll respect him because he's at least fair.
 
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I don't think it's a coincidence that we have 7 players leave the year Poythress suffered a season ending knee injury. Trey and Devin could have possibly improved their draft position but they also could have risked suffering an injury that could have put everything in jeopardy.
 
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chris42503

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I would love to have them back but Boocer and Liles will be fine and will be be making a lot more cash than Dacorsi makes next year.
 
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elwood_blue

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Originally posted by madskilz:
Mike DeCourcy thought that Tray Lyles and Keven Booker both would have benefited immensely if they would have returned to Kentucky for another year. In that year they could have learned how to go from a good player to a dominate player. He used Michael Beasley as an example.
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Major_Tom

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They should have taken some advice from a few of Tubby's old stars, Jamal Crawford and Jamal Bradley.
 
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IYAOYAS1

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He's right but the American culture today is to chase the $$$ now and worry about the fallout tomorrow. I wish them all luck, but I will miss Willie the most. That dude really gets it and will have a great NBA career.
 
madskilz

madskilz

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Originally posted by Kommonwealth:
I read the article and it was pretty spot on. Also, he used Blake Griffin as an example, not Beasley.

He made a great point and is correct in how both would benefit from a return to college, but they'll be fine either way. If both wanted to chase the dream of a top 5 or top 10 pick then they'd come back but still being in the lottery is all the same.
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True it was Griffin. Tks
 
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UKWildcatT

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Originally posted by Kerry Kat:
He's right but the American culture today is to chase the $$$ now and worry about the fallout tomorrow. I wish them all luck, but I will miss Willie the most. That dude really gets it and will have a great NBA career.
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He gets it why? He stayed three years?

Good Lord
 
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jc2010

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Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
He's right, but so what. They'll both have multi-million dollar careers. It is no doubt safer to take a smaller portion now than risk a devastating injury playing another year in college. And if they perform well enough to get to a second contract, they can mostly catch up to whatever they lost on the first, once you add in that full year of getting paid up front.

I hate the one-and-done system with all my heart and soul as a college basketball fan for fifty years. But as long as it exists, I'd rather see Cal be the master of exploiting it, and part of that is accepting that kids aren't going to be Tim Duncans very often.
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I understand what you are saying, but I'm wondering if the second contract might be a much better contract if they played another year in college and gained skills and maturity. They both played rather timid, IMO a dominating player like Towns should definitely go, maybe another year and they get a chance to dominate. There might be more money going that route and there is always the possibility of no second contract so you want all you can in the first.
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Just wondering, something to think about and kick around
 
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Dutycat

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On Kansas City sports radio Decourcy went on a rant about Kelly Oubre going pro. He said, "There is absolutely no part of his game that translates to the NBA" ..."He is dominant at nothing"

I think he is traveling the radio circuit to pan early entries one by one.
 
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capnmonkey

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Mike is good at his job and is pretty unbiased, if he says it there is probably some truth to it.

Did he have anything to say about Billy Wally Hine?
 
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bvmcmanus

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I like that he calls it like he sees it, and I agree with him on both Booker and Lyles. Haven't seen enough of Oubre to say definitely, but I probably agree with him on him as well, just as I did with Young. I think all three of those guys showed enough potential and have enough game that they could have moved up considerably the following year with only marginal all around improvement, let alone a jump like I would have expected from both Booker and Lyles.
 
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Cats192

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We can argue what's ideal until we're blue in the face. They'll both be first rounders.

Most of these kids just want to be IN the NBA. Most kids are going jump at the first round projections.

They'll bank on improving in the NBA. And making a lot of $$ over the course of their career. But either way, that first contract is life changing. No more classed--you can focus on basketball.
 
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fatguy87

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Michael Beasley is a terrible example if learning to be dominant is a potential reason for returning. Beasley dominated from day 1. He is easily one of the top 3 freshman of the OAD era in terms of college production, but he still managed to be a bust in the NBA.
 
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FtWorthCat

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Yeah, because players never develop in the pros.


With where they are projected, they had to go. They will continue to develop in the NBA, and I doubt either of them spends a whole lot of time in the D-League. If they do play in the D-League though, they will do it making First Round money.
 
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bvmcmanus

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Originally posted by FtWorthCat:

Yeah, because players never develop in the pros.


With where they are projected, they had to go. They will continue to develop in the NBA, and I doubt either of them spends a whole lot of time in the D-League. If they do play in the D-League though, they will do it making First Round money.
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Remember when Blake Grifin had to go? Only at UK do our fans have this absolutely stupid idea of players "having" to go.


And for the record, remember this next year when Devin spends a lot of time down there because he won't be playing much in games.
 
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jrm693

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On Lyles and Booker I would imagine the fact of Poythress getting injured this season plus WCS getting injured last season and I would bet that injury has aggravated and slowed him done a little coupled with their high draft status was just to much to risk staying one more season, I believe based on what he tweeted the other night he(Booker) had every intention of playing at Ky one more season.
 
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Kats23

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Here's the thing guys like DeCoucy and some of our fans are missing with Booker and Lyles. There is too much of a risk coming back. For Booker He shot 41% from 3 highlighted by that incredibly hot 6 weeks. What if he comes back and doesn't have that hot 6 weeks? Then his % drops and he drops in the draft. For Lyles, he played out of position and was serviceable. Think about what he can do at his natural position? That's what scouts are saying. Why give them another year to pick apart his game in his natural position. The risk to come back is not greater than the reward.
 
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Jonathan40330

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From my viewpoint, it is much easier to criticize young men for accepting hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to play basketball when it isn't you being offered those incredible sums of money. Many of our players come from lower to middle class families where money of those amounts is damn near unfathomable. So while some may question their decision making since they may possibly been rated higher next season in the draft, I have no issue as it benefits them for life and can always resume their college degree later on if things do not work out in the NBA. Besides, it is not as if Calipari will not have Kentucky in the thick of things next season.
 
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.S&C.

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Half the post in this thread are ridiculous. Decoursy is a good guy. He loves cal, and he's right. .

This notion that players shouldn't return, take the money, and always risk a career is nonsense and it's one thing I am totally sick of. Not that SOME shouldn't leave, but guys that we pretty much know are going to have greatly improved draft positions should return. Are guys like Blake griffin wrong? Because he will tell you, a good bit of who he is, is because he went back to school.

People are so insecure about our coach. this is exactly the stuff that makes this board Homers.com. No objective analysis but from a few.



This post was edited on 4/11 2:02 PM by .S&C.
 
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