Mid Major player to watch

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

keep an eye on this one. I really was hoping we couldve brought him in out of SHP instead of Souf because he was a late bloomer and got a lot taller/thicker the end of junior year of high school which hindered his recruitment. Marist coaches seat is one fire and if he gets canned I could see Austin looking around. Hes been doing really well since the coach has upped his minutes to around 25 minutes a game since entering conference play. Check out this highlight from the other night.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Frosh guard shooting 58% from the line? 38 TOs to 22 assists? 18% from the 3?

Walk on? Sure, why not. But it would be a bad sign for the status of recruiting going into Year 3 if Pikiell used a scholarship to park a low-major transfer like this for 1 to play 3. Doesn’t the staff need to aspire to more talent/potential for the ‘19 class? A lot more? Souf was a swing in the miss but it’s only 2 years, so no long term harm.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Frosh guard shooting 58% from the line? 38 TOs to 22 assists? 18% from the 3?

Walk on? Sure, why not. But it would be a bad sign for the status of recruiting going into Year 3 if Pikiell used a scholarship to park a low-major transfer like this for 1 to play 3. Doesn’t the staff need to aspire to more talent/potential for the ‘19 class? A lot more? Souf was a swing in the miss but it’s only 2 years, so no long term harm.

Stats dont tell the whole story. He has been poor from the line yes, but marist has so little talent that he has to force things. Williams is not a sharp shooter but hes a slasher and a tremendous ball handler who can get to the tin at ease

 

[78CollegeAve]

Database shows RU offers to two 1s and eight 2s for the ‘19 class. No way does the staff take another Kiss-like transfer.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Database shows RU offers to two 1s and eight 2s for the ‘19 class. No way does the staff take another Kiss-like transfer.

yeah, i agree. I think it'd be unlikely but I think it'd be worth looking into. IMO I think he'd wind up at a p5/big lEast program if he choose to transfer

 

[e5fdny]

Wasn’t there a thread about your friend just the other day?

Or am I misremembering?

 

[RepeatedCrown6]

Stats dont tell the whole story. He has been poor from the line yes, but marist has so little talent that he has to force things. Williams is not a sharp shooter but hes a slasher and a tremendous ball handler who can get to the tin at ease

The problem is we don't need another slasher

 

[kcg88]

Hard pass

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Wasn’t there a thread about your friend just the other day?

Or am I misremembering?

yes, id really like the staff to look into him. I've watched most of his games this year and he's really good and starting to come into his own over the past month.

 

[PatrickRU92]

No more slashers please.

Ever.

Slasher is a euphemism for "he can't shoot".

Kind of like the old "game manager" QB which we have lots of experience with.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

We havent hit bottom yet have we?

 

[biazza38]

It’s and interesting player, however I think we would go after someone who can play right away if one spot opens up. If Sanders leaves, we need someone who can contribute immediately. I’d prefer a grad transfer who can score or obviously Hyatt over everyone

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

No more slashers please.

Ever.

Slasher is a euphemism for "he can't shoot".

Kind of like the old "game manager" QB which we have lots of experience with.

Imo this kid is mike williams with a better handle and ability to get to the bucket

 

[ryebread]

He's at the right level now. Couldn't carry Mike williams water. You need studs to compete in Big 10.

 

[Crazed_RU]

No more slashers please.

Ever.

Slasher is a euphemism for "he can't shoot".

Kind of like the old "game manager" QB which we have lots of experience with.

"Slashers" work in high school because they are faster and better athletes than most of the competition, get to the rim, and make layups. That goes away at the collegiate level when all of the sudden the better athletes stop them from getting to the basket.

 

[Knights 1212]

We cannot take another transfer to sit out a year. We need shooters and studs not guys that shoot 18 % from mid majors. We are in one of the toughest leagues in the country.

 

[RUsince52]

We cannot take another transfer to sit out a year. We need shooters and studs not guys that shoot 18 % from mid majors. We are in one of the toughest leagues in the country.

Exactly. If the guy can't shoot than he better be a 6 star in everything else. We need shooters first unless we lose any big guys that are B1G caliber.

 

[TDIrish27]

Grad transfer who can shoot is the only transfer I would consider.

 

[bac2therac]

We absolutely cannot afford to take a transfer that has to sit

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

Hard pass.

 

[biazza38]

I haven’t seen the kid play, but the biggest risk about taking a kid like him is that he takes a scholarship from a 2019 class that has to be a home run class. The eligibility of Shaq, Corey, and Souf is up after next season. Assuming no one else leaves, that gives us with three spots for 2019. I don’t think Pike would fill one of those spots on a high risk type of player. Now, it’s more than likely someone else will leave the program, so you have to figure we’ll have 4 or 5 (5 would be high) spots to fill between the end of this year and next.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

We absolutely cannot afford to take a transfer that has to sit

Absolutely.

Williams, Freeman and Sa graduate and Sanders is probably gone. We add Mathis, Carter, Kiss, Johnson, and Harper. Several people don’t think Harper can be a rotation player next year but who knows.

We’ll probably have someone transfer out and we
already have two albatross scholarships.

If we have another scholarship, we need another freshman, JUCO, or grad transfer. Hopefully, it’s a grad transfer who can be a rotation player next year.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Let me say, i much prefer to give the ship to a grad transfer sharp shooter. But if we have some kids transfer out late and no quality immediate options to add, id look into Williams

 

[kcg88]

We can take a sit out transfer if it's an impact guy. Or guys. People were balking at the idea of the Martin twins because it meant two fewer scholarship players last year but they'd be our two best players this year.

Don't come in here with inefficient MAAC players though, come on.

 

[PhilaPhans]

Just KYK trying to get his buddy some facetime with a bigger league. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Zero interest with this particular player but in general with the graduate transfer rule now, taking regular transfers is becoming less and less desirable. We burned 2 years of a scholarship and only get one year of play from Nigel Johnson (maybe not the best example since he probably wasn't wanted but if he we did, it would've been a waste.) At least for Peter Kiss, we'll at least get 2 years of play for 3 on scholarship if he decides to bail as grad transfer. And if a guy is willing to bail from his current school after only 1 year and get on the transfer train, there's a good chance he'll do it again when he can go the grad transfer route.

Of course, if the NCAA goes with the immediate eligibility transfer rule all bets are off with everything.

 

[Russ Wood]

I watched Marist's last four games.

Williams has good size and a pretty good first step. He can finish at the rim with either hand but struggled to finish in traffic...at the MAAC level. He wasn't much of a facilitator for his teammates. You are correct @kyk1827 about his shooting. Williams missed A LOT of wide open jumpers in the four games I watched. Shots where he had time, space and his feet set. He needs lots of improvement there. Point guards don't have to be the best shooter on the team but they need to be able to keep defenses honest.

Defensively is is a liability. He is allowing his man to make 48 percent of their jump shots. This is largely due to his poor off-ball defense. His on-ball defense is below average. He doesn't get into anybody, or make the ballhandler uncomfortable, and the number of times that he didn't get a hand up when his man attempted a jump shot bothered me.

Rutgers needs guys who can make an impact. I don't see Williams being that guy in the B1G.

 

[SirScarlet]

I watched Marist's last four games.

Williams has good size and a pretty good first step. He can finish at the rim with either hand but struggled to finish in traffic...at the MAAC level. He wasn't much of a facilitator for his teammates. You are correct @kyk1827 about his shooting. Williams missed A LOT of wide open jumpers in the four games I watched. Shots where he had time, space and his feet set. He needs lots of improvement there. Point guards don't have to be the best shooter on the team but they need to be able to keep defenses honest.

Defensively is is a liability. He is allowing his man to make 48 percent of their jump shots. This is largely due to his poor off-ball defense. His on-ball defense is below average. He doesn't get into anybody, or make the ballhandler uncomfortable, and the number of times that he didn't get a hand up when his man attempted a jump shot bothered me.

Rutgers needs guys who can make an impact. I don't see Williams being that guy in the B1G.

Oof.

 

[GoFish2]

I watched Marist's last four games.

Williams has good size and a pretty good first step. He can finish at the rim with either hand but struggled to finish in traffic...at the MAAC level. He wasn't much of a facilitator for his teammates. You are correct @kyk1827 about his shooting. Williams missed A LOT of wide open jumpers in the four games I watched. Shots where he had time, space and his feet set. He needs lots of improvement there. Point guards don't have to be the best shooter on the team but they need to be able to keep defenses honest.

Defensively is is a liability. He is allowing his man to make 48 percent of their jump shots. This is largely due to his poor off-ball defense. His on-ball defense is below average. He doesn't get into anybody, or make the ballhandler uncomfortable, and the number of times that he didn't get a hand up when his man attempted a jump shot bothered me.

Rutgers needs guys who can make an impact. I don't see Williams being that guy in the B1G.

Out of curiosity, why are you watching Marist games?

 

[RUPartisan]

Haha dude c'mon are really floating this idea again? This guy has some ability but is a dime a dozen type player at mid majors.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

I watched Marist's last four games.

Williams has good size and a pretty good first step. He can finish at the rim with either hand but struggled to finish in traffic...at the MAAC level. He wasn't much of a facilitator for his teammates. You are correct @kyk1827 about his shooting. Williams missed A LOT of wide open jumpers in the four games I watched. Shots where he had time, space and his feet set. He needs lots of improvement there. Point guards don't have to be the best shooter on the team but they need to be able to keep defenses honest.

Defensively is is a liability. He is allowing his man to make 48 percent of their jump shots. This is largely due to his poor off-ball defense. His on-ball defense is below average. He doesn't get into anybody, or make the ballhandler uncomfortable, and the number of times that he didn't get a hand up when his man attempted a jump shot bothered me.

Rutgers needs guys who can make an impact. I don't see Williams being that guy in the B1G.

I give him a pass on defense, we saw first hand here, that is simply a product of your environment and coaching staff. This kid has athleticism that can't be taught. As I said, the one knock I have on his game is that his jumper needs work but with his athleticism, handle, and ability to finish, those are tools that we can definitely work with and he's a kid I can see after sitting out a year, in 2019-2020 averaging 20 minutes a night and giving us 7-8ppg as a solid ball handler, scrapper and slasher. Every team needs one of those.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

I watched Marist's last four games.

Williams has good size and a pretty good first step. He can finish at the rim with either hand but struggled to finish in traffic...at the MAAC level. He wasn't much of a facilitator for his teammates. You are correct @kyk1827 about his shooting. Williams missed A LOT of wide open jumpers in the four games I watched. Shots where he had time, space and his feet set. He needs lots of improvement there. Point guards don't have to be the best shooter on the team but they need to be able to keep defenses honest.

Defensively is is a liability. He is allowing his man to make 48 percent of their jump shots. This is largely due to his poor off-ball defense. His on-ball defense is below average. He doesn't get into anybody, or make the ballhandler uncomfortable, and the number of times that he didn't get a hand up when his man attempted a jump shot bothered me.

Rutgers needs guys who can make an impact. I don't see Williams being that guy in the B1G.

No thanks.

 

[Russ Wood]

I give him a pass on defense, we saw first hand here, that is simply a product of your environment and coaching staff. This kid has athleticism that can't be taught. As I said, the one knock I have on his game is that his jumper needs work but with his athleticism, handle, and ability to finish, those are tools that we can definitely work with and he's a kid I can see after sitting out a year, in 2019-2020 averaging 20 minutes a night and giving us 7-8ppg as a solid ball handler, scrapper and slasher. Every team needs one of those.

He's not all that athletic. He's got average athleticism, it might look like he's real athletic playing in the MAAC because some of those guys are not great athletes and are kinda slow (which is why they are in the MAAC). I didn't see anything to suggest that he's explosive.or a blow by guy.

He's an ok finisher, not great and not great in traffic, but he's a good finisher in the MAAC.

RU needs guys that can come in and play now not sit out a year and hope he improves his shot. You can't afford to swing and miss on a guard, and definitely not a point guard. That really sets your program back. You can take a chance on a big man, but not a guard

 

[Russ Wood]

Out of curiosity, why are you watching Marist games?

LOL I watch a lot of Hoops too much probably. For example, I really like this point guard at William & Mary, Joe Chealy.

I'm a closet Sienna fan so I watch some MAAC games. Saw this thread and it piqued my interest.

 

[jellyman_rivals307848]

Usual "evaluation" from KYK.

I would say he is probably as knowledgeable and correct on this kid from Marist as he was on his views on Omoruyi during and after last season ... and on how we RU fans will know whether the new football DL coach will be known as a good or bad hire by the time August football starts up (6 months from now).

Perhaps we CAN learn. If KYK gives a player evaluation, presume the opposite is true ... just like when Mr. Television tells us to take it to the bank, we should withdraw from that information bank as quickly as possible.

 

[superfan01]

Isn’t this KYK childhood buddy?

Sounds like a shameless plug rather than a true evaluation.

Sad to see @kyk1827 sell out like this...again.

 

[Knights 1212]

We need players now!!!. We cannot afford to have a guy sit out & hold us hostage for a scholarship.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

We need players now!!!. We cannot afford to have a guy sit out & hold us hostage for a scholarship.

Im just saying if we have some late departures after recruits are scooped and have an open ship for the year anyway hed be a nice option to look into

 

[Knights 1212]

Why do you keep pushing for this guy to be at RU? We need some real contributors right now.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Why do you keep pushing for this guy to be at RU? We need some real contributors right now.

if you would've read my posts in the thread. I said that if we have some late attrition and there's no good prospects left on the board, rather than basically go into 2018-2019 with an open ship, if Williams were to transfer he'd be worth a look. I don't know why people keep coming at my neck making it seem like i'm saying we HAVE TO TAKE HIM. I was pretty clear last year I thought we should've taken him over souf on potential, and if williams didn't work out at RU he could've transferred after 2 years just as souf will be gone after 2 years.