Mickey Joseph
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He has to pass the recruiting test to go on the road. No restrictions on campus, since he'll be designated as a coach
Since he's already currently employed as a D-1 coach I don't think he has to re-take the recruiting test.
Recruiting to LSU is probably a little easier than to Nebraska. Just think. Justin Jefferson drug down their recruiting ranking the year they signed him. Unranked 2 star.
Bro it ain't even hard.
This is a top shelf WR coach who didn't come here to teach blocking. Just another sign that two former Huskers who played in 80-20 run offenses are going to f up by not implement an 80-20 run offense.
Sneaky bassid! I know what you did there.Bro it ain't even hard.
This is a top shelf WR coach who didn't come here to teach blocking. Just another sign that two former Huskers who played in 80-20 run offenses are going to f up by not implement an 80-20 run offense.
I guess his *** is like one of those old magic 8 balls. Let's see what other predictions he can pull out of it. Laughing
I don’t think Nebraska can come close to replicate a smash style offense in the Big Ten like under Osborne and Milt Tenopir. A definite run first offense who ran the ball very effectively against 90 percent of the opponents. So the play action was done at Nebraska’s discretion.
Way to hard a league and the prep players in Nebraska don’t give confidence this century for a return similar to the talent experienced by Nebraska in my youth to middle age. We won’t do it if 80-90 percent of the talent has to come outside our borders, imo.
But a offense with a 50-50 like mix with pro like quarterbacks who can run enough to extend drives with first downs seems more reasonable and doable. I get the idea of weather in November sucking but this fall and global warming has brought us a great fall this year.
We can recruit receivers better than running backs who tote the rock regularly and with out injury. I just see us recruiting pretty athletic linemen who will be better pass protectors than in your face smash mouth pancake makers. The love of return to the glory days of the pipeline is just a bit out of place it seems.
Way to hard a league and the prep players in Nebraska don’t give confidence this century for a return similar to the talent experienced by Nebraska in my youth to middle age. We won’t do it if 80-90 percent of the talent has to come outside our borders, imo.
But a offense with a 50-50 like mix with pro like quarterbacks who can run enough to extend drives with first downs seems more reasonable and doable. I get the idea of weather in November sucking but this fall and global warming has brought us a great fall this year.
We can recruit receivers better than running backs who tote the rock regularly and with out injury. I just see us recruiting pretty athletic linemen who will be better pass protectors than in your face smash mouth pancake makers. The love of return to the glory days of the pipeline is just a bit out of place it seems.
Apologies for the length...
I'm as nostalgic as anyone for the old offense. If we do it great, but I also don't want to hand wave the challenges of trying to run it in the modern era. We're capable of running a modern offense as well as Tom's if both are coached well and each will have unique challenges. I'm not a fan of the Leach offense at NU, but the vast majority of these RPO offenses operate in the 55-45 or 60-40 type of range, which I think is much more practical for the variety of situations a coach finds himself in and what the high talent recruits have experience in. Wisconsin of all schools seems to hover between 57 and 65% run, and we find ourselves in a similar ballpark but certainly we run two different kinds of offenses.
Its not as simple as "oh it'd be tough to prepare for and unique and basically the defense will just fall over in ineptness trying to defend it". That kind of bs has no real place in a rational discussion of why a staff would run Tom's offense.
Even back in Tom's day he much preferred to find a QB who had option experience and there were enough of them in high school that he could pull in QB's at the talent level he needed. Nowadays, that would be a challenge. Most of the "good" qb's that everyone is going after, very few of them seem to have experience under center. The very best of them, might not put in significant work trying work under center until they are drafted, and not all of them make the transition. I don't think Frost or Saban or any of those guys, really want to spend significant amounts of their limited coaching time on teaching a kid to play option football under center when they could run RPO with similar concepts and a kid already has a 4 year headstart running those formations.
In addition, TO has the benefit that the QB run game was not highly valued in the 70's through the 90's, or at least, mainstream. He had the benefit of being one of the prime schools to offer a dual threat QB a real option for exposure because a pro style school like USC would just make them a DB. Even though there very few true power option style teams, basically all of CFB runs some RPO concepts and dual threat guys are not "under the radar" anymore and we'd have to fight for those QB's just as much as we would pro style guys.
Beyond whatever clay there is to mold out of high school the state of modern CFB is such that you don't have many coaches who are steeped in the Osborne system. I-formation based option football is not run many places and I don't think anyone would label the coaches who run those systems as elite coaching talent. In terms of running that system at the highest level, Frost would be one of most qualified in modern CFB, although most people think he sucks as a HC for reasons not pertaining to X's and O's. Certainly any elite level coach who took that on as a task could learn it but coaches are creatures of habit. If you grow up in a coaching tree that runs a system, when you get your big shot to be the HC, you aren't going to be like, alright boys, lets implement this here I-formation option system I pieced together in my free time. You are going to go with got you paid and you spent a lifetime working.
The scheme was sort of an equalizer, but even with top shelf talent if a defense was faster or played rather disciplined it could get into trouble. When we lost Tom, and the talent wasn't always quite as top shelf or the troops not quite as disciplined, there were significant issues trying to sustain drives on 3rd and more than 4 or with the QB/RB balance.
It wasn't panacea, and if it wasn't coached/recruited/executed well, it sucked. Same as any other system. Given what the modern coach has to work with I think its easier to run something other than Osbornes system, but if we had a staff committed to doing it right despite the challenges, it'd be fun to watch again.
Hopefully he is all over Betts telling him to keep going to class and taking tests and be ready to make himself a lot of money in the spring. I can't think of a better influence on Betts to move onto the next level.
The thing is the state of Wisconsin produces mammoth successful offensive linemen, road graders, consistently as starters and Iowa to a lesser degree. We aren’t coming close and our offensive line coaching has been ineffective since Tenopir. What makes you think it will change for the better in a definite better league for linemen than the former Big 12.
Plus if it got better in terms of running back effectiveness and pro potential, how long would it last to have confidence for consistent production for years. It seems like a stretch. But back last century it was normal thinking in a lesser league. So many things are harder now and each change blurs the picture. Imo.
I suppose running the ball has turned into a lost art.
in my youth people worked on the farm, lifting weight all the day long.
a degree was a honor to them. and smash mouth pancake blocking seemed the order of the day.
now I suppose with modern farm equipment, many just sit on the couch, with a variety of different doritos covering their midsection. pancake blocking? what's that besides the need for a anger management courses.
the qb's, qb's....now instead of running in traffic, they look for protection in a lil pocket (how cute). seems long ago a qb would string out a defender to make the pitch, now I guess they just run for portals
the wr's ....they like to run daintily in open spaces, blocking? ewww...not for a receiver..they are all jerry rice but better! alot of them seek bidens guidance on what new trendy genders they can be!
finally the backs, if they are not looking for a mc'rib sandwich they are all but tuckered out on the sideline after 10 carries of grief and hardship...where's their Iphone?? they ponder.
I suppose master coaches at the run game no longer have the proper instruments to conduct serious work.
much like a egyptian without the proper copper chisel, or rembrandt void of paint.
seems the killer instinct has been replaced, with pastels, flair....and pass happy
in my youth people worked on the farm, lifting weight all the day long.
a degree was a honor to them. and smash mouth pancake blocking seemed the order of the day.
now I suppose with modern farm equipment, many just sit on the couch, with a variety of different doritos covering their midsection. pancake blocking? what's that besides the need for a anger management courses.
the qb's, qb's....now instead of running in traffic, they look for protection in a lil pocket (how cute). seems long ago a qb would string out a defender to make the pitch, now I guess they just run for portals
the wr's ....they like to run daintily in open spaces, blocking? ewww...not for a receiver..they are all jerry rice but better! alot of them seek bidens guidance on what new trendy genders they can be!
finally the backs, if they are not looking for a mc'rib sandwich they are all but tuckered out on the sideline after 10 carries of grief and hardship...where's their Iphone?? they ponder.
I suppose master coaches at the run game no longer have the proper instruments to conduct serious work.
much like a egyptian without the proper copper chisel, or rembrandt void of paint.
seems the killer instinct has been replaced, with pastels, flair....and pass happy
Most of Nebraskas heroes aren't farm kids. The epitome of tough guy, especially on this board isn't some hay bailing quiet kid with a pocketful of dip. It's good old double nickel from the East Coast, to make things worse New Jersey at that. On top of that he wasn't the quiet but gets the job done guy, he is guy that has ran his mouth for thirty years now.
In the pantheon of small town heroes, not even necessarily straight up farm kids Frost probably is the biggest name. Followed by Mackovicka.
But yah stylistically football at all levels has changed. It's more of basketball in grass type of game although plenty of teams play tough. But even the SEC and Big Ten have moved away from three years and a cloud of dust as a primary means of operation.
Nebraska as a state I think has lost a lot of higher end talent. We have a lot of solid HS teams and probably more actual hype around some of the players these days but I think if you look at actual product in college whether here or elsewhere we just haven't matched up to what we use to have.
There's been no one the caliber of Crouch in 20 years. Nor Ahman Green. I would argue maybe even no one the caliber of Ken Clark. Omaha Central used to give us a back every year. I don't even think Omaha South plays football anymore.
There's very few players in the last 20 years we've produced who if we subbed them onto TO team would be capable of equaling the production of who was there. Barrett Ruud comes to mind as does Baker Steinkhuler at Nebraska .... edit also Spencer Long, maybe Harrison Philips and that kid who played DL at Iowa.
Football has been so professionalized and productized that the center of gravity has shifted out to say well off West Omaha families who can do the camp circuits and the one on one training in the sports centers and those type of things. $1000 dollar carbon fiber jock straps lol. So there's definitely more exposure but less overall natural athletic game ability or toughness. Football today is a game of Ferrari's not Jeeps.
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Michigan says hello. It can work but you better have the horses up front. Hell Alabama will stuff it down your throat with their run game if they can but they balance it with an efficient passing game. I don't see anybody getting by at a high level with throwing it 15 times/game like Osborne did but he did that because he could with the O line and backs we had. IF you can consistently run the ball and average 5 ypc doing it, you better do it.
Wisconsin does it differently as well. This is straight from JJ Watt's mouth, but Wisconsin goes and finds the biggest body frames available and then makes them huge in their program. They get some big dudes, but they build a lot of it artificially.
You just named part of the problem when you mentioned Harrison Phillips. We've lost some pretty good Nebraska kids to other programs. Most recently Keegan Johnson. Hell we didn't recruit a dual threat kid who I think is still a QB on an NFL roster. IMO, IF Tom was still running the show we would be getting those kids and the talent profile would look differently. Belt probably would have been a scholarship wingback etc. We've got some really talented young defensive players right now who are Nebraska products. I don't think our O line development has been near what it was though either and that is killing us.
True but he's a once in a generation coaching talent. And he lost players to other teams still. You can't count on a completely locked down state building a football program.
I can only remember him losing Nebraska guys to other teams that he didn't offer scholarships to. The TE who starred for Dallas after going to Wyoming was never offered. We lost multiple kids that went to other P5 programs that we've offered over the past decade or more. Some have starred and went on to the NFL. I can't think of a single guy like that Tom lost out on.
Yes a good recruiter has to be a priority. Still it is difficult to get kids out of Louisiana. Not that Louisiana is that great but there is a huge cultural difference between the two states. Food and lifestyle stand out for most of these kids from the South.
Junior Bryant and Larry Station come to mind. But for the most part you are correct - TO didn't let many of those guys get away.
he lost some from prep to nd, but he did'nt lose much.....I'm wondering since then if they know who half the guys are.
