Mich state vs penn state at palestra

[Plum Street]

Brings back some memories. Didn't go to the temple semifinal win in 1989 when fans were chanting "back to the rac". But I attended a few a-10 tourney games at the palestra.
Saw earl Duncan beat Rhode Island at the buzzer. Saw st. Joe's beat us as the 8 seed and we were number 1 in 1991. That put us on the bubble for a week. Saw Steve worthy miss a game winning three at the buzzer in 93 or so after someone (I think kobosolvsky) made an assinine play with a foul on and one to put us down 1.

 

[RUsojo]

Michigan st is a much better matchup for us than penn St. Guard height will be a big factor in this one.

 

[rutger80]

Saw a few RU games at the Palestra, with the most notable in the 79-80, when Villanova beat us on a Rory Sparrow jumper at the buzzer. Did the play-by-play for WRSU on that, which was a thrill.

Does Penn State having a home game at the Palestra equate to us having a home game at MSG?

 

[NBKnight]

Saw a few RU games at the Palestra, with the most notable in the 79-80, when Villanova beat us on a Rory Sparrow jumper at the buzzer. Did the play-by-play for WRSU on that, which was a thrill.

Does Penn State having a home game at the Palestra equate to us having a home game at MSG?

I guess, probably less complaining by the PSU fans.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Didn't all the experts here tell us that Penn State sucks? That is was a game WE "should"have won?

 

[RUsojo]

Penn St 1-3 was too big for us and Mich St.

 

[bac2therac]

Didn't all the experts here tell us that Penn State sucks? That is was a game WE "should"have won?

yes we should have won at home, if we shouldnt be expected to win that game then I guess you feel we should also go 0-18 because who are we are going to beat...according to you no one

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

We laid a defensive egg aginst Michigan State and a mamoth offensive ostrich egg vs Penn State.

If we defended like the PSU game and scored like the MSU game we would have beat PSU by double digits.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

yes we should have won at home, if we shouldnt be expected to win that game then I guess you feel we should also go 0-18 because who are we are going to beat...according to you no one

kenpom has us favored in ZERO B1G games as of now.

 

[80RU]

Penn State has three terrific freshman, two strong sophomores and a very good Junior. They are quite talented but might be a little bit up-and-down because of their age. They played a reasonably good pre-conference schedule. When playing their best they are every bit the legitimate big 10 team and I can't believe that people did not see that when we played them. They let what should have been a road win at Michigan get away from them in their last game as well.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Saw a few RU games at the Palestra, with the most notable in the 79-80, when Villanova beat us on a Rory Sparrow jumper at the buzzer. Did the play-by-play for WRSU on that, which was a thrill.

Does Penn State having a home game at the Palestra equate to us having a home game at MSG?

I was there that day as well..killer.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Didn't all the experts here tell us that Penn State sucks? That is was a game WE "should" have won?

This was way more about MSU who as you know traveled in for this game. Why can't we play MSU when they do the below?
Field Goals 23-56, 41.1%
Free Throws 10-14, 71.4%
3-Pointers 7-24, 29.2%
Off. Rebounds 6
Def. Rebounds 22
Total Rebounds 28
Assists 10
Blocks 0
P. Fouls 25

But I'll also say the last 2 games by PSU have been more impressive vs. what I saw at the Garden and at the RAC. So they don't suck but I wouldn't say 1) they are not world beaters and 2) we should not have lost to them.

Clearly teams can turn it on (like Corey seemed to do last game)..Unfortunately for us we also have guys who have turned it off as well :weary:

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Notice Eron Harris a non factor. No one wants to hear it but Sanders was a net negative for us in the MSU game.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Does Penn State having a home game at the Palestra equate to us having a home game at MSG?

Nope. PSU wanted to play at the Palestra because its biggest alum base is in Philly. This game was such a success, I wouldn't be surprised if PSU plays a "home" game in Philly annually, like Arkansas football plays a home game in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville every year.

Conversely, we were told by the B1G we had to give up a game at the RAC to play Wisconsin at MSG.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Huge home court advantage

 

[80RU]

I was there that day as well..killer.

Was that the year that they had the all New Jersey starting five for much of the season? I think I remember being upset at Villanova starting Sparrow, a guy from Queen of peace high school, John Olive, Alex Bradley and Aaron Howard. Does anybody remember if this is accurate?

 

[RUsojo]

Notice Eron Harris a non factor. No one wants to hear it but Sanders was a net negative for us in the MSU game.

Again, see Penn St size and athleticism at guard and sf. Great matchup for Penn St in today's game and our game. Two of their best players are sf 6'6" 6'7" who can guard the perimeter and guards are 6'2 6'3" and 6'4 and long.

Great game plan by them today. Used their length to guard the perimeter. They let nairn go to the rim and try to finish contested twos (finished well with contact) - basically what they did with Corey.

Our guards are all under 6'2". And not much length in wing spans. Basketball is a guards game and there is no one on our team that can defend the two position. No one. On top of our horrible size at the 1 and 2, the 3 is our weakest position on the floor, with two freshman not physically or mentally ready, nor capable of defending a guard or scoring wing, and a sophomore who had been a huge let down who can't even contribute in the slightest on the offensive end and has been less than focused on the defensive end.

If we want to improve that's where it has to be. I think that's why we signed that Juco.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

yes we should have won at home, if we shouldnt be expected to win that game then I guess you feel we should also go 0-18 because who are we are going to beat...according to you no one

Difference between "could" and "should." There's no way in hell we "SHOULD" have beaten them, sorry. You guys were nuts thinking we were a better team than Penn State. Again, they had the 33rd toughest schedule while we had the 259th, it matters, believe it or not.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Again, see Penn St size and athleticism at guard and sf. Great matchup for Penn St in today's game and our game. Two of their best players are sf 6'6" 6'7" who can guard the perimeter and guards are 6'2 6'3" and 6'4 and long.
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This yet, still, some argued with me last week in the game thread that we are "NOT small" at the guard position. LOL!!!!

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Was that the year that they had the all New Jersey starting five for much of the season? I think I remember being upset at Villanova starting Sparrow, a guy from Queen of peace high school, John Olive, Alex Bradley and Aaron Howard. Does anybody remember if this is accurate?

Olive was gone by then. The only reason I know is because he was a friend of the older brother of a friend of mine. Olive played at Nova in the mid 70s. John Pinone was a stud on those early 80s Nova teams.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Sorry. Can't blame height for getting beat off the dribble or leaving space between your defender on the perimeter.

 

[RUsojo]

The best defense you can play is trailing/closing out under control with length. Id actually prefer us to allow penetration into our bigs.

 

[TDIrish27]

Believe Sparrow attended Paterson Eastside

Not sure what goes for PSU the rest of the way but if they're smart they'll keep Chambers.

Forget the W/L record whatever it is the guy is a good coach and let's face it-----Hoops at Penn State is an afterthought.

 

[rutger80]

Was that the year that they had the all New Jersey starting five for much of the season? I think I remember being upset at Villanova starting Sparrow, a guy from Queen of peace high school, John Olive, Alex Bradley and Aaron Howard. Does anybody remember if this is accurate?

I think Bradley, Sparrow and Howard were from NJ. The other staters were John Pinone, who was from CT and Tom Sinkewicz, who I think was a Philly Catholic league product.

 

[JonathanAlan]

Penn State has three terrific freshman, two strong sophomores and a very good Junior. They are quite talented but might be a little bit up-and-down because of their age. They played a reasonably good pre-conference schedule. When playing their best they are every bit the legitimate big 10 team and I can't believe that people did not see that when we played them. They let what should have been a road win at Michigan get away from them in their last game as well.

I agree with you. PSU is very good and has some very talented players. That was my reaction from watching our game against them so I wasn't surprised they beat MSU quite convincingly. Their bigs (Moore #24) are decent and Carr is the real deal. They also displayed decent 3 pt shooting....

 

[Burton12]

Nope. PSU wanted to play at the Palestra because its biggest alum base is in Philly. This game was such a success, I wouldn't be surprised if PSU plays a "home" game in Philly annually, like Arkansas football plays a home game in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville every year.

Conversely, we were told by the B1G we had to give up a game at the RAC to play Wisconsin at MSG.

With the students still on break, and with that the prospect of an empty (more empty) BJC, it was a no-brainer to move this game to Philly. AD should look to do this every year whenever home games are scheduled during winter break.

 

[80RU]

I think Bradley, Sparrow and Howard were from NJ. The other staters were John Pinone, who was from CT and Tom Sinkewicz, who I think was a Philly Catholic league product.

Sinkewicz was definitely from New Jersey. Pinone was from Connecticut so they had four of five from New Jersey that year. Maybe it was the year before that they came in with an all New Jersey starting five. I still remember that Pinone was Villanova's back up plan when we beat them out for Jeff Allen.

 

[Knights 1212]

Aaron Howard was from Linden.

 

[rutger80]

Sinkewicz was definitely from New Jersey. Pinone was from Connecticut so they had four of five from New Jersey that year. Maybe it was the year before that they came in with an all New Jersey starting five. I still remember that Pinone was Villanova's back up plan when we beat them out for Jeff Allen.

Yeah, you're right, Sinkiewicz was from East Rutherford.
I'd say Villanova got the better of the players in Pinone.

 

[e5fdny]

I guess, probably less complaining by the PSU fans.

If NJ had an iconic BB place like that of course there would be some. But not a lot.

Nope. PSU wanted to play at the Palestra because its biggest alum base is in Philly. This game was such a success, I wouldn't be surprised if PSU plays a "home" game in Philly annually, like Arkansas football plays a home game in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville every year.

Conversely, we were told by the B1G we had to give up a game at the RAC to play Wisconsin at MSG.

Pretty sure the Razorbacks were "suggested" (see told) to play there by those who run the state. Something to do with economics and $$$

Huge home court advantage

Big time. Since as somebody already mentioned they were on break. Great idea to get Philly alums to see them...$$$ Smart.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

RU vs PSU at the Palestra or at Wells Fargo Center with another game complimented there (perhaps a Temple or Penn vs another Big 5 school vs perhaps a Maryland/Georgetown/GW or DC area school)......it would be a recruiting type of weekend event during the early part of the schedule.

This is something the program will have to step forward and do and sacrifice a win or two at the RAC to generate RU's brand in Philly.....PSU is only improved because after 4 years of recruiting in Philly, Chambers finally hit the jackpot with Carr and others from Roman Catholic HS in Philly.....if Chamber in Year 6 can pull this off and potentially get PSU moving with a Philly kid or two, RU should be able to push into that market as well.

Philly to Piscataway is closer than Philly to State College as far as home games.....just something to consider when we think NJ/NY is the only market towards improving recruiting for RU.....playing at MSG/Wells Fargo/Palestra etc....whatever it takes.....

 

[DHajekRC84]

RU vs PSU at the Palestra or at Wells Fargo Center with another game complimented there (perhaps a Temple or Penn vs another Big 5 school vs perhaps a Maryland/Georgetown/GW or DC area school)......it would be a recruiting type of weekend event during the early part of the schedule.

This is something the program will have to step forward and do and sacrifice a win or two at the RAC to generate RU's brand in Philly.....PSU is only improved because after 4 years of recruiting in Philly, Chambers finally hit the jackpot with Carr and others from Roman Catholic HS in Philly.....if Chamber in Year 6 can pull this off and potentially get PSU moving with a Philly kid or two, RU should be able to push into that market as well.

Philly to Piscataway is closer than Philly to State College as far as home games.....just something to consider when we think NJ/NY is the only market towards improving recruiting for RU.....playing at MSG/Wells Fargo/Palestra etc....whatever it takes.....

I'll take Rutgers at the Spectrum any day

 

[e5fdny]

I would take Rutgers with Penn State as the home team at Palestra anytime.

The other way around? Nah.

 

[Burton12]

RU vs PSU at the Palestra or at Wells Fargo Center with another game complimented there (perhaps a Temple or Penn vs another Big 5 school vs perhaps a Maryland/Georgetown/GW or DC area school)......it would be a recruiting type of weekend event during the early part of the schedule.

This is something the program will have to step forward and do and sacrifice a win or two at the RAC to generate RU's brand in Philly.....PSU is only improved because after 4 years of recruiting in Philly, Chambers finally hit the jackpot with Carr and others from Roman Catholic HS in Philly.....if Chamber in Year 6 can pull this off and potentially get PSU moving with a Philly kid or two, RU should be able to push into that market as well.

Philly to Piscataway is closer than Philly to State College as far as home games.....just something to consider when we think NJ/NY is the only market towards improving recruiting for RU.....playing at MSG/Wells Fargo/Palestra etc....whatever it takes.....

This isn't to say Rutgers cannot make inroads into Philly, but when comparing the schools and coaches here you're ignoring the connections Chambers has to the city. Born in the Philly burbs, played college ball in the city, and coached here, including at Villanova. When you consider it took a number of years for Chambers and PSU to become a factor in recruiting the city, with those relationships, I think you start to realize it isn't as simple as RU being proximate to Philadelphia. Given the incestuous nature of high school basketball, AAU teams, and recruiting, it will presumably be even more difficult for Pikiell, a CT/NY guy, to make an impact in this market.

 

[e5fdny]

This isn't to say Rutgers cannot make inroads into Philly, but when comparing the schools and coaches here you're ignoring the connections Chambers has to the city. Born in the Philly burbs, played college ball in the city, and coached here, including at Villanova. When you consider it took a number of years for Chambers and PSU to become a factor in recruiting the city, with those relationships, I think you start to realize it isn't as simple as RU being proximate to Philadelphia. Given the incestuous nature of high school basketball, AAU teams, and recruiting, it will presumably be even more difficult for Pikiell, a CT/NY guy, to make an impact in this market.

And certainly not a reason to give up a home game to maybe knock on a door or two.

 

[RUsojo]

Rutgers will not successfully recruit philly. Agreed.

 

[Local Shill]

Rutgers will not successfully recruit philly. Agreed.

Philly is so damn parochial. Piscataway might as well be Mars as far as they're concerned.

 

[Bones131]

Nope. PSU wanted to play at the Palestra because its biggest alum base is in Philly. This game was such a success, I wouldn't be surprised if PSU plays a "home" game in Philly annually, like Arkansas football plays a home game in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville every year.

Conversely, we were told by the B1G we had to give up a game at the RAC to play Wisconsin at MSG.

PSU heavily recruits Philly now and have 3 guys from national power and state champion Roman Catholic.