I agree with Liftee. The head coach is the boss and should be accountable. Obviously, he can't control things that happen in assistant coaches' homes, but he's accountable for selecting those assistant coaches. In this situation, it seems like he may have known the guy's character and hired him anyway. That's on the head coach.
Meyer out?
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Well the head coach should at least know if his players have been taking bogus classes the entire time he’s been there.......
College football coaches are notorious control freaks. The idea that Meyer didn't know what was going on strains credulity.
A college football coach at that level is a CEO, supervising his assistants before anything else. They are his people.
I strongly suspect he loses his job over this. And should.
A college football coach at that level is a CEO, supervising his assistants before anything else. They are his people.
I strongly suspect he loses his job over this. And should.
but urban knew about the beatings (he admitted this) early on and that he and his wife tried to help with counseling. what a bunch of crap. hitting a pregnant lady is never okay. i hope he loses his job and i would like his wife to be looking at jail time for burying the pictures and texts (if she did. i think she didnt) it just pisses me off when people who claim to be devout do this stuff. dont think anything will happen though with the panel to investigate having board of trustee people on it. in the words of the great umpah lumpah "fake investigation''
I need to see all the facts like Psycho mentioned. I have to disagree that the head coach should know everything that's going on in the private lives of his assistant coaches. I've been fooled a few times by the lives lived outside of work by some of my co-workers. Some coaches may be control freaks, but saying they should know everything about everyone in
their program is a bit ridiculous. It's a little ironic that all of this that was reported came out right as the season begins. I guess that's the timeframe the attorney wanted to use. Let's let the courts rule on this before we charge him as guilty.
their program is a bit ridiculous. It's a little ironic that all of this that was reported came out right as the season begins. I guess that's the timeframe the attorney wanted to use. Let's let the courts rule on this before we charge him as guilty.
What really gets me is after the 2009 episode, Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce "persuaded" her not to say anything because Smith might get fired.
"A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”"
Also, I liked how Smith told 105.7 The Zone that he never abused her. Immediately after, McMurphy tweets screen shots of the text where Smith apologized for abusing his wife.
To me, this is all about the lying, and not reporting something that needed to be reported. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I don't see meyer keeping his job. ESPECIALLY after he and Smith seemingly threw Gene Smith under the bus. Seems to me that Meyer is posturing to be able to say that if/when he gets fired, it will be without cause (saying he reported it up the chain) which means tOSU owes him A LOT of money (35mil +)
Funny how this works. NCAA comes down HARD on penn state, then backtracks when they realized the holes in the investigations and how they overreached. Then MSU happens where employees (Kathie Klages) actually coerced gymnasts to not report nassar and didn't report their concerns. what happens there? still yet to see, but most likely nothing. then we have tOSU, where they're in the middle of the Jim Jordan thing (doctor molesting wrestlers), with the Diving Coach thing hanging over their heads, and now the Meyer thing? I'm sorry, but if that's not LOIC, I don't know what is. However I'll bet that nothing happens to the school. If the UNCheat thing showed us anything, it's that the NCAA is so gun-shy that they won't enforce their own rules anymore.
"A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”"
Also, I liked how Smith told 105.7 The Zone that he never abused her. Immediately after, McMurphy tweets screen shots of the text where Smith apologized for abusing his wife.
To me, this is all about the lying, and not reporting something that needed to be reported. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but I don't see meyer keeping his job. ESPECIALLY after he and Smith seemingly threw Gene Smith under the bus. Seems to me that Meyer is posturing to be able to say that if/when he gets fired, it will be without cause (saying he reported it up the chain) which means tOSU owes him A LOT of money (35mil +)
Funny how this works. NCAA comes down HARD on penn state, then backtracks when they realized the holes in the investigations and how they overreached. Then MSU happens where employees (Kathie Klages) actually coerced gymnasts to not report nassar and didn't report their concerns. what happens there? still yet to see, but most likely nothing. then we have tOSU, where they're in the middle of the Jim Jordan thing (doctor molesting wrestlers), with the Diving Coach thing hanging over their heads, and now the Meyer thing? I'm sorry, but if that's not LOIC, I don't know what is. However I'll bet that nothing happens to the school. If the UNCheat thing showed us anything, it's that the NCAA is so gun-shy that they won't enforce their own rules anymore.
I loathe Urban Meyer so frankly, I'll enjoy him going down. But with that said, I'm very uncomfortable with the way we retroactively penalize people for things in today's society. Sure this is a bit different than calling out a professional athlete for twitter remarks he made a decade ago when he was a kid but it still doesn't sit well with me.
Meyer should have come forward when it happened. But all of a sudden, we're going to buy the story of a wife of a loose canon asst. coach whole hog? It does appear there's enough there to substantiate the woman's claims. But where does all this end? How far into someone's past are we going to search for dirt? I mean, what if K made some inappropriate (by today's standards) remarks to women when he was the coach of Army? Would you support Duke issuing disciplinary actions? Firing?
Meyer should have come forward when it happened. But all of a sudden, we're going to buy the story of a wife of a loose canon asst. coach whole hog? It does appear there's enough there to substantiate the woman's claims. But where does all this end? How far into someone's past are we going to search for dirt? I mean, what if K made some inappropriate (by today's standards) remarks to women when he was the coach of Army? Would you support Duke issuing disciplinary actions? Firing?
I would want K held accountable for those remarks. I agree with the point about stupid Twitter comments, but I don't have an issue with people being held accountable for their statements and actions. Being held accountable is often how you learn from a mistake.
As you mentioned, this is a far more serious situation. Not only did he not do anything about the issue, but he kept giving the guy a job for increased pay and benefits for an entire decade after the first incident.
Sorry, but I won't get on board with not holding leaders and role models accountable for their actions. In the end, all they are then teaching those kids is that it's okay and/or not a big deal to break the rules/law. Is that what you would want someone teaching your kids if you sent them there?
As you mentioned, this is a far more serious situation. Not only did he not do anything about the issue, but he kept giving the guy a job for increased pay and benefits for an entire decade after the first incident.
Sorry, but I won't get on board with not holding leaders and role models accountable for their actions. In the end, all they are then teaching those kids is that it's okay and/or not a big deal to break the rules/law. Is that what you would want someone teaching your kids if you sent them there?
Good post. I’m certainly not advocating for not holding coaches accountable. I’m simply asking, “where does it stop”? And do we judge the past actions of people by today’s standards? I’m not sure how old you are, but there was a time when you could have told a female co-worker that her dress is flattering and ask her if she had lost weight. That’s not the case today. So do we judge someone’s past actions on by today’s standards. Furthermore, these days one doesn’t even have to be an offender. People are being shamed for not intervening in alleged wrongdoings. So another example might be, should K be condemned for sitting at an all-white counter for lunch while black folks walked around back to get their meals? Should K feel the wrath of SJWs because he didn’t make a stand that one day when he was 17 years old and saw the injustice right in front of him. You may roll your eyes at that, but if it hasn’t already happened to someone, it will.
What does this have to do with covering up for a guy who beat the **** out of his wife? This was as recently as 2015.
sorry i just cant get on board that its okay to sit on your hands while a guy beats up a woman. he knew since the first time in 09 and just gave him more and more money. if K had an assistant coach that was beating up a wife and did nothing i would want him gone. that being said i dont think OSU is going to do anything. maybe the ad takes the fall. money and winning are more important than a victim i guess.
I might have gone off the rails a little but c'mon, you know the point I'm getting at. People are being judged for things in their past based on different standards than when the event occurred. Granted, it's been frowned upon or illegal for quite some time for a man to hit a woman. But it gave me the opportunity to broach a serious subject - one that I feel we need to figure out soon before we destroy the lives of some pretty good people.
Nobody wants to touch this?
Was K in charge of that counter? If not, then it's not a fair comparison, and with that analogy, everyone who ever sat at that counter would have had the same responsibility that K would have had. Meyer is in charge of OSU football,
If K had an assistant doing what Meyers assistant did, and K knew, then yes, he should be held accountable.
That’s a good point and definitely a pretty big difference. Thanks for at least acknowledging my question. I think I’ve made the point though and you spoke to it when you said, “everyone who ever sat at that counter would have the same responsibility”...or at that time, no responsibility.
The bottom line for me regarding all of this is that I’m worried about the precedent we’re setting by speaking to transgressions that happened in a different time with different rules (and sometimes just knowing about others’ trangressions).
I mean, frankly, I still tell my staff they got a great haircut or I like their outfit on a given day. I just don't follow it up with something creepy or aggressive.
I think the answer to your question is that there is no universal tolerance level, but rather individual standards. For OSU, it's a risk assessment as to how much they are willing to risk as far as potential liability in a lawsuit.
The sad thing to me in all of this is that gentlemen existed long before the "PC movement" began. All mental have to do is treat women with respect and not beat them up or force themselves on them. I would expect every real man holds individuals like this in contempt rather than point to a change in overall awareness of the issue over time.
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Bottom line for me is if Meyer knew, he should be held responsible, but if something happened that a head coach does not know about, especially something that happened away from work, I'm not sure you can say they are responsible for everything that happens no matter what. I have about 160 people that report to me. When we leave work today, if one of them robs a convenient store or goes home and beats his wife, I don't feel like I should be held responsible and lose my job for that. Now, if I found out they did that and turned a blind eye to it, that's maybe a different story . But as far as a different time with different rules, I don't think it was ever ok to beat a woman.
But what was once accepted as being cordial or complimentary is no longer seen as such. One of the women accusing Morgan Freeman of inappropriate behavior claims he “looked her up and down.” Looked her up and down? That’s where we are?
Of course it was never appropriate to say, “hey girl, that dress looks good. But it would look better in a ball on my bedroom floor.” But people with all the right intentions have realized backlash from innocent language that didn’t garner much attention as recent as 20 years ago. It’s crazy.
I think you are looking for a connection that isn't necessarily there. You may perceive people as being increasingly and unnecessarily touchy in modern society, but that does not correlate to the issue at hand. It isn't mere sensitivity to take issue with someone punching his wife, or for his superior to knowingly condone it through lack of action.
I’m sleeping with my boss, so I can’t really talk much here
I knew it. You really are tami hansbro