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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.
 

Crums Bald Spot

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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.

The NCAA will crush Memphis out of existence if this happens. There's a lot smarter folks out there at different universities and there's reason no one has done this yet.
 
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Wildcats1st

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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.

This isn’t going to help college basketball. This isn’t the hill memphis should go to die on. Clearly a major violation was committed, clearly wiseman is ineligible. A booster who is now his coach provided improper benefits. This **** wouldn’t even be allowed in the nba. It would be some form of tampering and would warrant major penalties and fines. This doesn’t compare with bagley or with UNcheat. This is very clear and penny screwed wiseman. There’s nothing to fight if you have no standing. To take things further now memphis played an ineligible player so now the entire program is in jeopardy.

The second penny was hired everyone knew the conflicts of interest would rear their head. You can’t be an aau coach and a high school coach simultaneously connected to a school then pull your high school guys with you without stepping in it somewhere. Penny may be a crusader to try and take down the ncaa but he will fail Bc he is a sleazebag.

Wiseman can plead willful ignorance all he wants but his parents are basically his agent especially when he was a child.
 

kybassfan

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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.

I’m assuming you are a Memphis fan. Penny could in fact be playing this angle. This is a very dangerous gamble.

I would be curious to know what Memphis opinion is on this. If I were in their shoes, I’d self identify, announce a post season ban, forfeit any game where he was in uniform, publicly announce that I planned to penalize Penny to the maximum extent permitted by his contract. If I were the NCAA, I would posterize Memphis.

I don’t expect either outcome.
 
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BigBlueFanGA

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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.
Have UNCheat or Duke played players who were declared ineligible?
 

Cats_2010

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I think you may be splitting hairs.

His comment to me was:

Memphis compliance does not have final say if there is a judge who has ordered the school to consider Wiseman eligible until the legal questions are resolved. Ignoring the court’s order would result in contempt of court charges against the Memphis personnel responsible.

I’m hardly splitting hairs. The above is just an absurd statement.
 
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shyster51

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His comment to me was:

Memphis compliance does not have final say if there is a judge who has ordered the school to consider Wiseman eligible until the legal questions are resolved. Ignoring the court’s order would result in contempt of court charges against the Memphis personnel responsible.

I’m hardly splitting hairs. The above is just an absurd statement.
You are so right! Anyone believing that can’t smell the crap on their shoes because they live in an outhouse.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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His comment to me was:

Memphis compliance does not have final say if there is a judge who has ordered the school to consider Wiseman eligible until the legal questions are resolved. Ignoring the court’s order would result in contempt of court charges against the Memphis personnel responsible.

I’m hardly splitting hairs. The above is just an absurd statement.
No, he's correct.
 

UK’98UK’00

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A judge can dictate that a school cannot use eligibility as the reason for sitting him if the player’s eligibility is at the heart of ongoing litigation.

So Memphis could only sit Wiseman if he were injured or if it made sense from a coaching / strategy perspective (i.e., sitting him would help win the game). He’s not hurt and there’s absolutely no way you can argue that sitting him helps win a game, so you have to play him.
Wrong. Your arguments are wrong. You’re entirely WRONG.
 

Chris Mallory

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Ask Louisville huh? Want to rethink that? Kansas has been accused of major violations. I wouldn't say LSU and Arizona are out of danger, they paused the investigations until after Thanksgiving.
What has been the punishment for any of those schools? UofL had to take down a banner that’s it.
 

UK’98UK’00

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No, my question is highlighting the flawed assumption underlying your question about precedent.
What is your flawed expectation here? He research all past rulings, ever, to say in fact it hasn’t ever happened? Wrong. Just wrong.
 

Cats_2010

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Did the judges order temporarily remove the ineligible status?

Yes they did but they don’t really have the final say on his eligibility. If he is ultimately deemed ineligible then it doesn’t matter what their temporary order did. Memphis should not have played him at all until this was resolved. It’s called erring on the side of caution. The NCAA has already said he is likely ineligible so there is an uphill battle. Memphis still had a choice to play him or not and they chose to play him.
 
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BigBlueFanGA

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Yes they did but they don’t really have the final say on his eligibility. If he is ultimately deemed ineligible then it doesn’t matter what their temporary order did. Memphis should not have played him at all until this was resolved. It’s called erring on the side of caution. The NCAA has already said he is likely ineligible so there is an uphill battle. Memphis still had a choice to play him or not and they chose to play him.
You need to read the resolution rule. Yes, they can ignore the judges order but that has consequences. They can also ignore the NCAA, that has consequences. He is eligible legally, at the moment Since he sued Memphis as well as the NCAA, not playing him is an issue. The compliance office is out if it as this point. The only issue is if the coach/school decide to play him, which they did.
 

kl40504_rivals

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Memphis seems to be going all in on this. I say good for them. With what UNC and Duke has gotten by with I would dare the NCAA to act if I were Memphis. And if they did hand down punishment I would point out the selective enforcement that goes on to anyone who will listen (media). Also, I would take them to court so it would be publicized.
You can take them to court for what? They are a private organization and the members voluntarily joined and agreed to abide by their rules. The courts prefer not to get involved in cases involving private organizations and how they enforce their rules.
 
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TBCat

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Did the judges order temporarily remove the ineligible status?
No. It didn't even do that much. People think that because a judge rules in one way or another it's automatically true. That isn't so. Judges are not dictators. They can only rule over the law. This isn't law, it's an NCAA guideline. Not only Memphis but more importantly the NCAA could tell the judge to go take a flying leap. The judge can literally do nothing here. He can't even hold the NCAA in contempt.
 
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Just my opinion, all of this could have been avoided had Hardaway disclosed the payment during Wisemans initial clearance. Not doing so means one of two things to me.
He either new he would be ruled ineligible or is ignorant of the NCAA's eligibility rules.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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No. It didn't even do that much. People think that because a judge rules in one way or another it's automatically true. That isn't so. Judges are not dictators. They can only rule over the law. This isn't law, it's an NCAA guideline. Not only Memphis but more importantly the NCAA could tell the judge to go take a flying leap. The judge can literally do nothing here. He can't even hold the NCAA in contempt.
Why cant he hold them in contempt?
 

TBCat

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Why cant he hold them in contempt?
Why can he. The NCAA has no reason to show up in his court. The court has no jurisdiction here and judges can't just randomly declare people in contempt. He would be impeached in about 2 minutes if he tried that. Besides who would he rule in contempt? The NCAA is a big organization. Is he going to jail them all? Good luck.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Why can he. The NCAA has no reason to show up in his court. The court has no jurisdiction here and judges can't just randomly declare people in contempt. He would be impeached in about 2 minutes if he tried that. Besides who would he rule in contempt? The NCAA is a big organization. Is he going to jail them all? Good luck.
Um, memphis. What is wrong with you?
 

TBCat

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Um, memphis. What is wrong with you?
Again same deal. What's he going to hold them in contempt for? And who exactly would he do that with? Penny? The AD, school president? No one has done anything that can be cited for contempt.