So you think IU catapulted from outside the top 25 to in?
And you trust the reports on Cuban?
UVA did recently have an admin change which could play a role.
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So you think IU catapulted from outside the top 25 to in?
And you trust the reports on Cuban?
UVA did recently have an admin change which could play a role.
Yeah because IU poached the low star players once they saw their ability. We have been on both sides of that equation, the poacher and poached. NIL is a factor both ways.
It is like saying, "EPL club is low on talent, all their players came from the South American B leagues"....not exactly
I think it’s possible IU is spending quite a bit more this year compared to last but that goes for everyone post revenue sharing.
How much they jumped who knows. I saw an article that their NIL in 2023 was 2-3M. Nice number but not 20M or even mid teens like you claimed.
It’s not that they didn’t have any NIL pre revenue sharing or that it wasn’t helpful but just it’s grossly overestimated of how much was out there.
Now post revenue share, I could believe it because they’re a B10 school with 10s of millions of dollars more coming in and they’ve had success to attract more money like Cuban for the first time. Money is fungible argument is also applicable now because NIL comes out of the AD budget. So this year, I think anything is possible because of revenue sharing, last year I think most average schools didn’t have oodles of NIL.
Yea I don’t know what point you are trying to make. That first paragraph is all over the place. And I have no idea what the second paragraph pertains.
The point is the talent ranking is deceptive. The JMU players had few stars. But, they ended up being very talented. And IU used NIL and they transferred in. It's not a really fair way of looking at things.
RU has gotten G5 players this way. And then lost Toure to Miami for example.
Even taking RU out of the equation for a moment, with revenue- is Wisconsin just doing a really horrid job with their revenue versus IU? Because they are both getting the same amount.
I think the difference is NIL. Which is really a shame for Wisconsin because they have no shortage of wealthy alums.
Medicorist thinking right there.
And not sure Toure was "lost". Think it was value judgment based on probability of making it through the season without getting injured. Don't have any hard data on that.
Yet, court records show they ponied up $450K for Elad. That's a lot for a little production. Still half of a season left though.
Yea I agree. JMU followed their coach. They also didn’t cost them all too much. And if they failed last year. The 21 portal players brought in would not be on the level they were able to attract. No matter how much money they threw at them. Again I’m not saying that composite is fairly representative of the rosters value. But man for man IU did not have a considerable player advantage versus Oregon this year. Or anyone last year. And they were more than likely at a player disadvantage.
Surprisingly Schiano has done a good job of retaining talent. In the NIL years he hasn’t lost too many internally via portal. He has lost tremendously on being able to attract talent via portal. We didn’t have the money to bring people who were interested in coming home back.
There seems to be more going on behind the scenes in Central PA. W/R/T Oregon, I am sure they are top notch NIL, maybe the talent differential is greater but there is something to be said for watching the small schools and poaching. That's why I make the soccer comparison. The European teams look at the best players in this hemisphere and take them, and often they're better than the homegrown talent.
GS is doing the best he can with NIL I think people don't want to hear it, acknowledge the landscape because it forces them to consider that we all have a role (to the extent we can) in getting players here and not just complaining about coaching. Is the G5 flavor of the month guy going to do that? Cignetti had demands and they were met. I don't see our donors doing it.
I’d think Wisconsin would have as much NIL or more than IU last year and same for this year.
How much who knows. Wisc is not doing a good job with whatever it is they have …like many other schools, see UF, PSU, FSU etc
My point is is simple..there wasn’t as much NIL out there as people think last year….lots of gross exaggeration and overestimations. This year I think there’s a lot more NIL for everyone because of revenue sharing.
It’s coming out of the AD budget so if you can find the money you can spend up to the cap. Being in the SEC or B10 is helpful with that endeavor.
So do I believe IU or many other average everyday schools had 15-20M NIL for football last year…no. Do I think it’s possible they could have that much this year…yes.
What is mediocre about it? It's the truth.
Cignetti wanted the NIL money to take the job. They paid up and got really talented players. Good for them.
There is nothing stopping us from doing that, except the obstinance of our own fans. I mean, again, by all means, I would praise our big donors coming in and saying no more GS, let's hire the top g5 coach and fund the crap out of NIL. Of course, that isn't happening, so why are we going to pretend like it is? That seems like the actual "mediocrist" thinking. Let's be realistic. 1) We're not firing him for going 3-9 (which we probably win more games as much as some don't want to 2) we need more NIL money whoever the HC is 3) we don't have anyone who is REALISTICALLY going to come here and do better and when we gambled before it turned out very very poorly.
Agreed. I don’t watch soccer (played it growing up) so had no idea what that reference was. I think Greg is doing a great job with NIL. If Hobbs did his part and embraced NIL and got off his *** to raise funds and understood the landscape, we would be in a better place. My issue with Greg has never been the man he is or how he is the CEO of the program. It’s more that he does the same thing and makes the same mistakes and expects different results. And I’m not sure Cignetti’s demands were all that much different than Greg’s when he returned. It’s just that NIL has taking a more prominent role in the past 6 years. And that is where Cignettis focus was in negotiations. Greg even admitted his asks now are very different than they were 6 years ago. That’s why the field house is no longer a priority.
Well NIL wasn't where it was in 2019 versus when Cignetti was hired. Ironically I think GS makes different mistakes, I couldn't imagine this defense on his 1.0 era squads. That's why I do think sadly there's just a talent deficit, coaching is part of it but no way GS would tolerate what I have seen if he was able to fix it. Offense sure but that's not the issue.
Yea exactly what I posted. When you see the defense make the same schematic mistakes year after year game after game. It’s not Jimmy and joes it’s systemic. And the o is not the most glaring issue. But it is part of the problem. When you can’t score on the red zone. That’s an issue. We have issues in all 3 phases. And when one phase doesn’t have a designated coach. That falls directly on the man in charge.
Forget Elko I heard of a Coach in North Carolina everyone used to claim was great.
He had a son that went to Rutgers, bring him on and an added attraction might be the old geezer's hot young girlfriend
Been a problem his entire career. Very little creativity and settles for FG’s way too often.
I don't think we've had an offense that moved the ball like this one. Perhaps 08.
Not sure what that has to do with it. But okay. Problem is not moving the ball between the 30’s it’s about scoring in the red zone. Don’t get points for yards.
Not losing too many players can be looked at two ways. 1. He is doin a good job retaining or 2. Our players aren't sought after by other teams
So what are your expectation of sticking with GS. What will our record be in 26,27 and 28. Because by then I don't want to here he needs 2 more years.
USC and LSU are both 5-1, if we only had one lose they would be building a statue of GS outside of the stadium
26: 7-8 wins
27: 7-8 wins
28: 8-9 wins
Who cares, Petrino is a scumbag. Would not want him at Rutgers.
BTW, Rich Rod 2.0 is bombing right now at WVU, FWIW.
Depends on who RU beat, but doubtful- that's crazy, provocative talk.
LF is 15-17 at Wisconsin, GS is 29-37 since his return, he has been able to deliver at the P5 either.
You do realize this is what Fickell took over, don't you? Wisconsin was a blue blood, a major winner. Now they are bleeding because someone did not like something Paul Chryst was doing:
| 2006 | Wisconsin | 12–1 | 7–1 | T–2nd | W Capital One | 5 | 7 |
| 2007 | Wisconsin | 9–4 | 5–3 | 4th | L Outback | 21 | 24 |
| 2008 | Wisconsin | 7–6 | 3–5 | T–6th | L Champs Sports | ||
| 2009 | Wisconsin | 10–3 | 5–3 | T–4th | W Champs Sports | 16 | 16 |
| 2010 | Wisconsin | 11–2 | 7–1 | T–1st | L Rose† | 8 | 7 |
| 2011 | Wisconsin | 11–3 | 6–2 | 1st (Leaders) | L Rose† | 11 | 10 |
| 2012 | Wisconsin | 8–5 | 4–4 | 3rd (Leaders) | Rose ‡† |
Who will be back is the better question.
Arkansas has proved willing to send who their fanbase feels isn't producing to the unemployment line
because their fans are willing to dig in their pockets.
Rutgers keeps their HCs far past experation date because when it's time to replace their fanbase comes to the table wearing pants without pockets to dig into.
Whine all you want, compare G2 with other HCs , you;ll be doing that until probably the end of the 2028-29 season when Rutgers will buy Schiano out because their fanbase isn't the type to support buyouts.
The complaint should be :Schiano is as food as it gets for being a RU HC , other programs have the type of fanbase that puts up the money to try and help their program hire the best and buyout those who don't meet their standards.
Franklin didn't meet Nit fans standers.
Schiano meets RU fans standards.
If the money is there, the standards are higher, if money's withheld, whining is the only thing that happens.
Keep on whining, it's every RU fan's right and a trolls pleasure .
Good answer, but I'm highly disappointed that you missed the main point on who will be back:
That depends on the availability of motorcycles and coeds willing to ride with Bobby P!
Also germane is Petrino's recent record in his last 4 years. Last year at Louisville, he was fired. Last 4 years, he has been 20-23/14-15.
But none of that matters to message board geniuses.
| 2018 | Louisville | 2–8 | 0–7 | 7th (Atlantic) | |||
| Missouri State Bears (Missouri Valley Football Conference) (2020–2022) | |||||||
| 2020–21 | Missouri State | 5–5 | 5–1 | T–1st | L NCAA Division I First Round | 13 | 13 |
| 2021 | Missouri State | 8–4 | 6–2 | 2nd | L NCAA Division I First Round | 14 | 14 |
| 2022 | Missouri State | 5–6 | 3–5 | 8th | |||
| Missouri State: | 18–15 | 14–8 |
His reputation as a winner overshadows recent performance at a lower level
As for Motorcycle Bobby's Missouri State Bears coaching record.
I'll do the same old-same ol comparing him to Schiano that seems to pop up whenever a coach's name is mentioned. I'll compare how the program looked before he got there
As I and others defend Schiano pointing out how the program looked before he took it over,
doing the same for Petrino:
Missouri State was 1-10 the year before Hell's Hog took it over and 13-42 in the prior 5 years.
So the BP cyclist didn't do too shabby with a program that wasn't a good one when he took it over.
As for your standards concerning who qualifies, to be a RU FB HC , we probably are aligned, but for many Major Programs fanbases, the bar is set much lower than both of ours is and I'd bet a lot of RU fans would make a deal with the devil to bring a Woody Urban / Bear Saban to the Banks
Yea they are and there are still 6 games left to go in the season. The comment stands up to this point...neither have finished a season in the top 10 or made a playoff. It could change this year, which is year 4 in their tenures.
They're being paid 10M/yr and given all the resources you could want. That's not for average or lower achievement. It's for high achievement, as in deep runs in the playoffs and championships. I'm not even sure just a playoff appearance is enough at those rates, even though that would be nice accomplishment.
Big game on the road for USC this weekend at ND. Finally showed some physicality and beat up Michigan last week, very unlike a Riley team. Now which one was the true USC...the team that got manhandled at Illinois or the one that beat up Michigan. They struggle away from home. It will be good sign for them if they can win at South Bend.
Takeout the Greg 2.0 FCS Cupcake wins ( inc. Wagner} , the MAC wins, and the Temple wins { 3 wins including a nail bitter in '23} and his record since his return is 18-37. Not even in the realm of mediocrity.
RZ scoring is interesting this year- we are near the top when it comes to scoring TD's in the EZ but at the bottom when you figure in our FG issues.
But the offense itself- has done pretty well in the EZ.
But the offense itself- has done pretty well in the EZ.
like I said- FG's drop us big time...even if we made 2 out of 3 of the missed FG's- we would be at 85% and then right in the middle of the pack with teams like Michigan...Our offense has been pretty good( yes, it could be better) but ST's just kill us
Okay. Im not sure 100th best red zone % is great nor is a 67% touchdown rate that would put you on the 50th best td%. Saw it posted by someone last year and I’ll see if I can find it. That we had an abnormally low RZ appearance per game and were 1.5 points lower than national average in points per appearance. It equated to a touchdown or so points per game inefficiency.
Fickel is 2 -0 vs Greg is. In the B1G including a 42-7: *** kicking at our place last year.
I wouldn't call Temple and Ohio cupcakes but I get the point otherwise.
They both have gone 8 - 10 last 2 years in conf..
I bet Wisky cans FC and will be on their 3rd coach before GS is close to gone.
I see different numbers than you for TD rate. It's 61.76% TD rate and that's 77th in the country.
Scoring % in general both TDs and FGs is 79.41% and that's 100th in the country.
We've had the 4th highest trips into the redzone at 34 and 16th highest number of TDs at 21.
Yea that’s what I see. I was being kind with 50 s. Couldn’t see all the data on my phone. Thought it said 67.1 not 61.7. And those trip numbers are historically high for Kirk.
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