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[kupuna133]

It is all speculative. Maybe Indiana fundraising employees targeted athletics donors more than academics because they had Cuban money coming in for academics. No one knows... but Indiana has a lot of NIL compared to many, including Rutgers. It comes from somewhere. It does not have to be a case of illegally taking donations targeted for academics and applying them to athletics.

If you say so. Its not speculative. What you and NIRH are saying is speculative. Cuban has said I did not fund Indiana football. And here you are speculating he did.
Usually people that are donating to “non profits” academic institutions etc.. want a tax write off and the notoriety that comes with major donations. Not obscurity.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

If you say so. Its not speculative. What you and NIRH are saying is speculative. Cuban has said I did not fund Indiana football. And here you are speculating he did.
Usually people that are donating to “non profits” academic institutions etc.. want a tax write off and the notoriety that comes with major donations. Not obscurity.

(AI says..)

Here's a breakdown of Mark Cuban's financial and NIL relationship with Indiana University:
Financial contributions

• $5 million donation: In 2015, Cuban gave IU a $5 million gift to create the Mark Cuban Center for Sports Media and Technology inside the renovated Assembly Hall. This technology center provides students with access to cutting-edge equipment for media production related to athletics.
• $6 million for rugby: In December 2024, it was reported that Cuban pledged $6 million over three years to support the Indiana rugby program.
• Other support: Cuban has supported various other university initiatives, including hosting recruiting events for prospective students.

Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL)

• Campus Ink investment: In March 2022, Cuban made an initial investment in Campus Ink, an apparel company and merchandise platform for student-athletes.
• Expansion of Campus Ink: He made a second investment in November 2022 to help Campus Ink expand its platform to more universities, including IU.
• Campus Ink partnership with IU: In June 2022, the university partnered with Campus Ink to create the "NIL Store" for IU student-athletes. This allows athletes to sell custom merchandise and earn money from their NIL.
• Indirect involvement: While Cuban's investment facilitates NIL deals for IU athletes through Campus Ink, he does not directly provide his own NIL (for example, as a brand ambassador) to the university or its athletes. He has expressed his excitement about the partnership, telling Sports Illustrated, "The sky is the limit!".

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So, if Cuban invests in a company that makes it easier for IU.. and other athletes.. including IU football athletes, to generate NIL money.. doesn't that amount to IU athletes getting more NIL money through the use of Mark Cuban's money

I don't care about your Mark Cuban feud with NIRH... I am saying something different, and Mark Cuban is just a small piece of it. Earlier, I was challenged by someone else for saying IU Basketball was a cash cow for them, which has helped them afford investment in football. Think of Rutgers. Priority points have bonuses for consecutive years of buying season tickets in either sports or, even better, both sports. I'd imagine IU and others have similar programs. So having a legendary basketball program.. even if it is down a bit now comparitively, probably is a great benefit to fundraising. And here I am saying Cuban is one of many whose donations to IU positively affect its ability to use NIL money in effective ways, and that they have more than Rutgers. And simply stopping at Cuban did not donate implies that NIL money is not a difference maker between the schools.

Your argument, Mark Cuban did not donate to football NIL, is technically correct.. but does not address why Indiana has more NIL money than Rutgers.. nor is NIRH's assumption that Cuban has donated NIL money correct, or provide a valid explanation as to why IU has more NIL money.. even if their fans/podcasters want even more NIL money.

Nor does my posts fully explain it because I think it comes down to something much more "meta" about how midwestern states (and southern states too) have pride in their state universities and that can be capitalized upon by leveraging that perception into donations by business people in that state. New Jersey state pride seems to be limited to defending it when attacked by outsiders. We just do not have that asset.. state pride.. that we can use internally to generate donations or even support from politicians. Maybe being part of the Big Ten will help get us there.. but it would be nice if the Big Ten itself would treat us as a full member. Maybe then the local media will follow suit and then the people will follow and the local businesses will follow the customers.

 

[JL23]

I mean he is already in a situation where so many people both know who he is and hate him, lol. Probably gets those pizzas anyway. I don't think that is the case for Cuban and probably not for who would be donating to us. Only potential similar case for us would be Hasan Piker and not sure if he donates.

I would love if he started to (if he doesn't already). Hopefully Zinn & Co. are on the phone with him asap!

 

[kupuna133]

(AI says..)

Here's a breakdown of Mark Cuban's financial and NIL relationship with Indiana University:
Financial contributions

• $5 million donation: In 2015, Cuban gave IU a $5 million gift to create the Mark Cuban Center for Sports Media and Technology inside the renovated Assembly Hall. This technology center provides students with access to cutting-edge equipment for media production related to athletics.
• $6 million for rugby: In December 2024, it was reported that Cuban pledged $6 million over three years to support the Indiana rugby program.
• Other support: Cuban has supported various other university initiatives, including hosting recruiting events for prospective students.

Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL)

• Campus Ink investment: In March 2022, Cuban made an initial investment in Campus Ink, an apparel company and merchandise platform for student-athletes.
• Expansion of Campus Ink: He made a second investment in November 2022 to help Campus Ink expand its platform to more universities, including IU.
• Campus Ink partnership with IU: In June 2022, the university partnered with Campus Ink to create the "NIL Store" for IU student-athletes. This allows athletes to sell custom merchandise and earn money from their NIL.
• Indirect involvement: While Cuban's investment facilitates NIL deals for IU athletes through Campus Ink, he does not directly provide his own NIL (for example, as a brand ambassador) to the university or its athletes. He has expressed his excitement about the partnership, telling Sports Illustrated, "The sky is the limit!".

****************

So, if Cuban invests in a company that makes it easier for IU.. and other athletes.. including IU football athletes, to generate NIL money.. doesn't that amount to IU athletes getting more NIL money through the use of Mark Cuban's money

I don't care about your Mark Cuban feud with NIRH... I am saying something different, and Mark Cuban is just a small piece of it. Earlier, I was challenged by someone else for saying IU Basketball was a cash cow for them, which has helped them afford investment in football. Think of Rutgers. Priority points have bonuses for consecutive years of buying season tickets in either sports or, even better, both sports. I'd imagine IU and others have similar programs. So having a legendary basketball program.. even if it is down a bit now comparitively, probably is a great benefit to fundraising. And here I am saying Cuban is one of many whose donations to IU positively affect its ability to use NIL money in effective ways, and that they have more than Rutgers. And simply stopping at Cuban did not donate implies that NIL money is not a difference maker between the schools.

Your argument, Mark Cuban did not donate to football NIL, is technically correct.. but does not address why Indiana has more NIL money than Rutgers.. nor is NIRH's assumption that Cuban has donated NIL money correct, or provide a valid explanation as to why IU has more NIL money.. even if their fans/podcasters want even more NIL money.

Nor does my posts fully explain it because I think it comes down to something much more "meta" about how midwestern states (and southern states too) have pride in their state universities and that can be capitalized upon by leveraging that perception into donations by business people in that state. New Jersey state pride seems to be limited to defending it when attacked by outsiders. We just do not have that asset.. state pride.. that we can use internally to generate donations or even support from politicians. Maybe being part of the Big Ten will help get us there.. but it would be nice if the Big Ten itself would treat us as a full member. Maybe then the local media will follow suit and then the people will follow and the local businesses will follow the customers.

That’s a lot of words to say that Mark Cuban didn’t fund Indiana football. I have said multiple times Indiana has raised tremendous funds through NIL just not from the source you and NIRH have said. Also how much money did Cubans company raise for all 57 colleges they are aligned with? Next to nothing $1m total.
I am not having a feud. As I said in an earlier post. I like to deal in facts not theories or as you said speculation.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

That’s a lot of words to say that Mark Cuban didn’t fund Indiana football. I have said multiple times Indiana has raised tremendous funds through NIL just not from the source you and NIRH have said. Also how much money did Cubans company raise for all 57 colleges they are aligned with? Next to nothing $1m total.
I am not having a feud. As I said in an earlier post. I like to deal in facts not theories or as you said speculation.

That's a lot of words to agree that ICuban's Campus Ink has raised money for IU NIL. That it wasn't enough to surpass some "factual" line that would say that Cuban supported NIL.. that's on you. So, however technically, you are wrong.. Cuban has invested millions in Campus Ink and Campus Ink does not list what athletes got what.. so assuming IU atheltes were not paid much by it is just as unsupportable as assuming they have.

BTW.. you don't just deal in facts.. no one here does.. it is an opinion board and in this thread alone you have posted opinions, guesses and rumors. But its nice to say you deal in facts, right? It supports your arguments to do so.. but it does not make it so.

Also.. I have not said Cuban donated to IU football NIL. So, if you deal in facts, stop saying I did.

 

[kupuna133]

That's a lot of words to agree that ICuban's Campus Ink has raised money for IU NIL. That it wasn't enough to surpass some "factual" line that would say that Cuban supported NIL.. that's on you. So, however technically, you are wrong.. Cuban has invested millions in Campus Ink and Campus Ink does not list what athletes got what.. so assuming IU atheltes were not paid much by it is just as unsupportable as assuming they have.

BTW.. you don't just deal in facts.. no one here does.. it is an opinion board and in this thread alone you have posted opinions, guesses and rumors. But its nice to say you deal in facts, right? It supports your arguments to do so.. but it does not make it so.

Also.. I have not said Cuban donated to IU football NIL. So, if you deal in facts, stop saying I did.

1million raised by ink to Indiana alone wouldn’t really move the needle. Much less all 57 schools total. I’m wrong that’s crazy. And it is not opinion that’s fact. I take mark at his word when he said he does not support NIL directly. You creating scenarios via your mental gymnastics to dispute that is amazing. Again don’t know how that makes me wrong but okay.
Opinions based on facts are still facts. Not rumors and not guesses I quoted the man. So take that up with the author of the article or Mark directly. You replied directly to me and inserted yourself in this conversation where we were discussing Mark Cuban and his support of NIL saying I was wrong. If I’m wrong than by that logic you say Mark Cuban donates to Indiana football. And at no point did I say you or NIRH are wrong. I’ve asked to show your work. And neither of you have been able to show where Mark says anything but I do not support NIL with my money directly. And where did I post guesses and rumors?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Answer my question. Find me proof where Cuban is financing Indiana football.
The meeting is where I found out where most of the money for the big 2 came from. But it’s widely circulated that the money as “Willie” likes to say is fungible. It really didn’t matter where Dylan or Ace played their primary source of funding was coming from the outside. They had “major” sponsors. Think it’s right there for you.

That's not a question. And, I already did provide proof he was involved in their NIL, you just didn't like it.

Your entire argument is distilled simply- "everyone" knows who donates to RU, but you will not name them. In the case of Indiana, however, if Cuban says he isn't financing, that's the end of the story. Indiana donors would say who they were, but RU donors need to be obscured.

Very logical, right? RU can only discuss things in private, but anyone at Indiana would brag!

 

[NotInRHouse]

That’s a lot of words to say that Mark Cuban didn’t fund Indiana football. I have said multiple times Indiana has raised tremendous funds through NIL just not from the source you and NIRH have said. Also how much money did Cubans company raise for all 57 colleges they are aligned with? Next to nothing $1m total.
I am not having a feud. As I said in an earlier post. I like to deal in facts not theories or as you said speculation.

If Indiana raised tremendous funds, and I think we could agree, thus far has tremendous success, can someone please explain why the focus at RU isn't on doing the same exact thing?

Unless the idea is we have "tremendous funds"? If so where are they?

 

[kupuna133]

That's not a question. And, I already did provide proof he was involved in their NIL, you just didn't like it.

Your entire argument is distilled simply- "everyone" knows who donates to RU, but you will not name them. In the case of Indiana, however, if Cuban says he isn't financing, that's the end of the story. Indiana donors would say who they were, but RU donors need to be obscured.

Very logical, right? RU can only discuss things in private, but anyone at Indiana would brag!

Simple logic and an AI search would have provided you the insight. Or you could have attended an NiL fundraiser. You really do not know that most of the NIL provided to Ace and Dylan came from corporate sponsorships not from individuals or collective? Nike ,fanatics, Red Bull, memorabilia sponsors. It’s not obscured. As you say you just didn’t like the answer.
So the proof you provided was Campus Ink? I provided that. And there are just under 700 athletes at Indiana that have a relationship with Campus Ink. If the entirety of the $1m generated in 2024 went to Indiana (which it didn’t). That would not be significant. The only sizable distribution from Campus Ink reported was $100k in a t shirt sale that supported the 15 members of the Illini basketball team. Which again evenly distributed doesn’t ring the register.

 

[kupuna133]

If Indiana raised tremendous funds, and I think we could agree, thus far has tremendous success, can someone please explain why the focus at RU isn't on doing the same exact thing?

Unless the idea is we have "tremendous funds"? If so where are they?

Because Hobbs was asleep at the switch and made it difficult for NIL to exist at RU.

 

[rutgersguy2]

And here now we have proof again that Cuban didn’t donate to IU athletics or NIL before…but he has now for the first time last December. It’s not before Cignetti won but the after when he took them to the playoffs and then believed his words…Google me I win.

Basically sounds like what I said…average resources but now after such a great year Cuban is jumping on board and revenue sharing is a big deal like I said it would be for most schools.

That initial team wasn’t “bought” with some 20M NIL funded by Cuban but like I said just guys following their coach like you see all over CFB.

From the article:

Mark Cuban enters the financial chat​

Indiana football isn't one billionaire's plaything; it's an example of how the rev share era unlocks different ways for a properly-aligned and properly-coached institution, no matter their history, to become a reliable playoff contender.

However, having a billionaire around sure helps, and Indiana does in 1981 graduate Mark Cuban. Cuban has donated to his alma mater before, whether it's the $5 million gift to create a sports media and technology center or $6 million to IU's club rugby team.


But he had never donated directly to IU athletics until that Friday night in South Bend last December.

"I gave some to sports this year for the first time ever," Cuban told CBS Sports. "Typically, I was the exact opposite. I'm not a fan of anything that I believe raises tuition in the least bit. But after getting to talk to Cig and seeing what was going on, they kinda talked me into it.

Cuban declined to say how much he donated, but did say it was "a big number," and he didn't specify where the donation should go within the athletic department.

The fact that Cig has said I win everywhere I go, I didn't believe him, but he showed it against all odds, he proved that he was a true Yinzer," Cuban said. "He's a true blue collar guy who worked his way up. He worked for some great coaches, but he went through the grind. It was one step and then he won. Then another step up he won. Another step up he won. That's hardly heard of anywhere in college sports -- football or basketball, volleyball, baseball, whatever. He had a history of winning. And, you know, he had a bunch of **** to him. He's a Pittsburgh guy, and that's what I really like. Maybe if he wasn't a Pittsburgh guy, I might not have done it. But, you know, we had that connection."

Cignetti told Dolson if he had average resources he could turn IU into a winner, a tall task for a program that had only had fleeting success and one top 25 finish since 1988.

Armed with Mark Cuban donations and Curt Cignetti's brash approach, Indiana sets up for sustained success

Indiana football is poised to thrive in the new era of college football

www.cbssports.com

 

[kupuna133]

And here now we have proof again that Cuban didn’t donate to IU athletics or NIL before…but he has now for the first time last December. It’s it the before Cignetti won but the after when he took then to the playoffs and then believed his words…Google me I win.

Basically sounds like what I said…average resources but now after such a great year Cuban is jumping on board and revenue sharing is a big deal like I said it would be for most schools.

Hmmmm. Just saw that pop up on my timeline also. But you and I were wrong along. First ever donation to IU athletics.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Hmmmm. Just saw that pop up on my timeline also. But you and I were wrong along. First ever donation to IU athletics.

Like I’ve said by and large most everyday programs didn’t have massive NILs prior to this year.

Revenue sharing changes that though and the floor is raised for just above everyone. The money is fungible argument doesn’t work prior to this year because NIL wasn’t being funded by the school through rev share. This year and beyond yea you can say money is fungible because NIL comes from the athletic dept so a donation to one area of the AD can potentially free up money to go to NIL funding.

 

[kupuna133]

Like I’ve said by and large most everyday programs didn’t have massive NILs prior to this year.

Revenue sharing changes that though and the floor is raised for just above everyone. The money is fungible argument doesn’t work prior to this year because NIL wasn’t being funded by the school through rev share. This year and beyond yea you can say money is fungible because NIL comes from the athletic dept so a donation to one area of the AD can potentially free up money to go to NIL funding.

Yep been saying for years. Most reported NIL deals were way overblown.

 

[motorb54]

No awareness by Shefield as should have turned up field immediately.
Even if doesn't get first down would have made the attempt 40, not 45.
He lost a few yards after the catch.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Simple logic and an AI search would have provided you the insight. Or you could have attended an NiL fundraiser. You really do not know that most of the NIL provided to Ace and Dylan came from corporate sponsorships not from individuals or collective? Nike ,fanatics, Red Bull, memorabilia sponsors. It’s not obscured. As you say you just didn’t like the answer.
So the proof you provided was Campus Ink? I provided that. And there are just under 700 athletes at Indiana that have a relationship with Campus Ink. If the entirety of the $1m generated in 2024 went to Indiana (which it didn’t). That would not be significant. The only sizable distribution from Campus Ink reported was $100k in a t shirt sale that supported the 15 members of the Illini basketball team. Which again evenly distributed doesn’t ring the register.

Again, it's not published. Nike isn't out there saying we give X, and Red Bull Y. But yet Cuban should be? Just fails the logic test.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Because Hobbs was asleep at the switch and made it difficult for NIL to exist at RU.

You just said Dylan and Ace were funded by NIL. Didn't Hobbs resign before?

In any case, my whole point was other schools are getting NIL money we aren't. I think there's just a weird denial about it.

 

[NotInRHouse]

And here now we have proof again that Cuban didn’t donate to IU athletics or NIL before…but he has now for the first time last December. It’s not before Cignetti won but the after when he took them to the playoffs and then believed his words…Google me I win.

Basically sounds like what I said…average resources but now after such a great year Cuban is jumping on board and revenue sharing is a big deal like I said it would be for most schools.

That initial team wasn’t “bought” with some 20M NIL funded by Cuban but like I said just guys following their coach like you see all over CFB.

From the article:

Mark Cuban enters the financial chat​

Indiana football isn't one billionaire's plaything; it's an example of how the rev share era unlocks different ways for a properly-aligned and properly-coached institution, no matter their history, to become a reliable playoff contender.

However, having a billionaire around sure helps, and Indiana does in 1981 graduate Mark Cuban. Cuban has donated to his alma mater before, whether it's the $5 million gift to create a sports media and technology center or $6 million to IU's club rugby team.


But he had never donated directly to IU athletics until that Friday night in South Bend last December.

"I gave some to sports this year for the first time ever," Cuban told CBS Sports. "Typically, I was the exact opposite. I'm not a fan of anything that I believe raises tuition in the least bit. But after getting to talk to Cig and seeing what was going on, they kinda talked me into it.

Cuban declined to say how much he donated, but did say it was "a big number," and he didn't specify where the donation should go within the athletic department.

The fact that Cig has said I win everywhere I go, I didn't believe him, but he showed it against all odds, he proved that he was a true Yinzer," Cuban said. "He's a true blue collar guy who worked his way up. He worked for some great coaches, but he went through the grind. It was one step and then he won. Then another step up he won. Another step up he won. That's hardly heard of anywhere in college sports -- football or basketball, volleyball, baseball, whatever. He had a history of winning. And, you know, he had a bunch of **** to him. He's a Pittsburgh guy, and that's what I really like. Maybe if he wasn't a Pittsburgh guy, I might not have done it. But, you know, we had that connection."

Cignetti told Dolson if he had average resources he could turn IU into a winner, a tall task for a program that had only had fleeting success and one top 25 finish since 1988.

Armed with Mark Cuban donations and Curt Cignetti's brash approach, Indiana sets up for sustained success

Indiana football is poised to thrive in the new era of college football

www.cbssports.com

Are you seriously suggesting that NIL had no role in their 2024 season, Cuban or not? LOL. Come on.

 

[kupuna133]

Again, it's not published. Nike isn't out there saying we give X, and Red Bull Y. But yet Cuban should be? Just fails the logic test.

Keep fighting bud. Cuban article yesterday confirmed he didn’t give money. And this site on3 gave a breakdown on estimates what Ace and Dylan “reportedly” received. Because as RUguy2 and I have repeatedly said you can’t believe all of what you hear.

 

[kupuna133]

You just said Dylan and Ace were funded by NIL. Didn't Hobbs resign before?

In any case, my whole point was other schools are getting NIL money we aren't. I think there's just a weird denial about it.

Was their main source of NiL from within the Rutgers community? No. Ace and Dylan would have received their NIL numbers no matter where they enrolled from this e primary sponsors.

Ace Bailey, the Rutgers basketball freshman and No. 5 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft by the Utah Jazz, signed a multi-year NIL and NBA shoe endorsement deal with Nike in November 2024. The exact amount Nike paid him hasn’t been publicly disclosed, as is typical for such agreements. However, based on reports from On3, Sportskeeda, and NJ Advance Media, Bailey’s total NIL valuation across all deals (primarily Nike and the Knights of the Raritan collective) is estimated at $1.6 million. Sources like The Playoffs and AS USA indicate this figure largely stems from his two major endorsements, with Nike’s portion forming the bulk due to its prestige and the deal’s extension into his professional career. These estimates highlight his elite recruiting status (No. 2 in the 2024 class), athletic highlights, and social media presence, positioning him among the top-earning college athletes.

Dylan Harper, the Rutgers basketball freshman and projected top NBA draft pick, signed a Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) endorsement deal with Nike in November 2024. The exact amount Nike paid him for this multi-year deal hasn’t been publicly disclosed, as is common with NIL agreements. However, based on reports from sources like On3 and Sportskeeda, Harper’s overall NIL valuation from all deals (including Nike, Fanatics, Red Bull, and others) is estimated at $1.7 million. Some analyses, such as from NJ Advance Media, suggest the combined value of his Nike and Fanatics deals alone could approach $1.6 million, indicating Nike’s portion is a significant share of that total. These figures reflect his marketability as a top recruit, with strong social media engagement and on-court performance.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Keep fighting bud. Cuban article yesterday confirmed he didn’t give money. And this site on3 gave a breakdown on estimates what Ace and Dylan “reportedly” received. Because as RUguy2 and I have repeatedly said you can’t believe all of what you hear.

"You can't believe all of what you hear, now believe this article about what Cuban donates or not. We need to take him at face value, but donors to RU sports are a discussion for meetings only!"

 

[NotInRHouse]

Was their main source of NiL from within the Rutgers community? No. Ace and Dylan would have received their NIL numbers no matter where they enrolled from this e primary sponsors.

Ace Bailey, the Rutgers basketball freshman and No. 5 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft by the Utah Jazz, signed a multi-year NIL and NBA shoe endorsement deal with Nike in November 2024. The exact amount Nike paid him hasn’t been publicly disclosed, as is typical for such agreements. However, based on reports from On3, Sportskeeda, and NJ Advance Media, Bailey’s total NIL valuation across all deals (primarily Nike and the Knights of the Raritan collective) is estimated at $1.6 million. Sources like The Playoffs and AS USA indicate this figure largely stems from his two major endorsements, with Nike’s portion forming the bulk due to its prestige and the deal’s extension into his professional career. These estimates highlight his elite recruiting status (No. 2 in the 2024 class), athletic highlights, and social media presence, positioning him among the top-earning college athletes.

Dylan Harper, the Rutgers basketball freshman and projected top NBA draft pick, signed a Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) endorsement deal with Nike in November 2024. The exact amount Nike paid him for this multi-year deal hasn’t been publicly disclosed, as is common with NIL agreements. However, based on reports from sources like On3 and Sportskeeda, Harper’s overall NIL valuation from all deals (including Nike, Fanatics, Red Bull, and others) is estimated at $1.7 million. Some analyses, such as from NJ Advance Media, suggest the combined value of his Nike and Fanatics deals alone could approach $1.6 million, indicating Nike’s portion is a significant share of that total. These figures reflect his marketability as a top recruit, with strong social media engagement and on-court performance.

Is this AI?

 

[kupuna133]

"You can't believe all of what you hear, now believe this article about what Cuban donates or not. We need to take him at face value, but donors to RU sports are a discussion for meetings only!"

What? You keep going there and I’ve clarified it multiple times. The NIL collectives played a very small part in Ace and Dylan signing with RU. There aren’t people remaining silent. Because we don’t have a whale writing checks. Who at RU is going to come forward and say they delivered the bag? The guy who donated $10/month.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Are you seriously suggesting that NIL had no role in their 2024 season, Cuban or not? LOL. Come on.

Did they have some NIL? I’m sure they did just like many schools did but not to any crazy level you think…20M last year you mentioned, no way. I’ve already said if hypothetically CC was hired here those JMU players would've followed him here like many players do. Would that have meant we had gobs of NIL money?

I've said it here a bunch of times, before this year people grossly overestimate how much 3rd party NIL was out there for most average everyday schools and also don't realize how much is exaggerated or misleading, if not outright lies at times when it comes to 3rd party NIL.

I'm a CFB junkie don't care about other sports. I don't know everything but I read articles, watch and listen to pods from CFB mainstream media etc so you get an idea of what's going on in the CFB landscape. I'll trust my instincts over those who don't follow as much. I've already given you the "receipts" as far as Cuban and quotes from coaches talking about rev share starting this year being the difference maker, not 3rd party NIL of previous years, and you still want to believe what you want so I can't do anything about that.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Did they have some NIL? I’m sure they did just like many schools did but not to any crazy level you think…20M last year you mentioned, no way. I’ve already said if hypothetically CC was hired here those JMU players would've followed him here like many players do. Would that have meant we had gobs of NIL money?

I've said it here a bunch of times, before this year people grossly overestimate how much 3rd party NIL was out there for most average everyday schools and also don't realize how much is exaggerated or misleading, if not outright lies at times when it comes to 3rd party NIL.

I'm a CFB junkie don't care about other sports. I don't know everything but I read articles, watch and listen to pods from CFB mainstream media etc so you get an idea of what's going on in the CFB landscape. I'll trust my instincts over those who don't follow as much. I've already given you the "receipts" as far as Cuban and quotes from coaches talking about rev share starting this year being the difference maker, not 3rd party NIL of previous years, and you still want to believe what you want so I can't do anything about that.

Put it like this. There are 18 teams in the conference. Let's split into thirds. I would put Indiana in top 6 in getting NIL money, and us in the bottom 6. Would you not agree?

They came for money. They bought that whole JMU squad. And good for them. And it worked especially because IU had a pretty easy schedule last year too. And they built off of it.

At this point, we are getting the same B1G payouts (if not quite close) so the argument would have to be we're just giving the money to inadequate players on the defense. That is the only way to interpret it, and I would have to disagree with that assessment. I think most would. I think we simply cannot afford the ringers you see elsewhere.

 

[NotInRHouse]

What? You keep going there and I’ve clarified it multiple times. The NIL collectives played a very small part in Ace and Dylan signing with RU. There aren’t people remaining silent. Because we don’t have a whale writing checks. Who at RU is going to come forward and say they delivered the bag? The guy who donated $10/month.

Exactly, much like Cuban isn't either. I do think OTOH, after a really great season, a big donor would say "yes I donated X, I paid our Heisman winner" or whatever it was. What that is would be different at different places. Would be a NC at Ohio State or Bama but here I could see it after 10 wins.

But so far we have not had that. We need someone to come in and go whole hog.

And even if the GS haters got their most fevered dream nothing is going to change without that.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Put it like this. There are 18 teams in the conference. Let's split into thirds. I would put Indiana in top 6 in getting NIL money, and us in the bottom 6. Would you not agree?

They came for money. They bought that whole JMU squad. And good for them. And it worked especially because IU had a pretty easy schedule last year too. And they built off of it.

At this point, we are getting the same B1G payouts (if not quite close) so the argument would have to be we're just giving the money to inadequate players on the defense. That is the only way to interpret it, and I would have to disagree with that assessment. I think most would. I think we simply cannot afford the ringers you see elsewhere.

No I don’t agree and you don’t know either just making assumptions that’s the point. It’s because JMU players came along, which isn’t anything unusual in CFB. And it’s really only given credence because they did well. If those bunch of G5 players sucked and IU sucked, no one would’ve thought anything about their team being bought or anything special about the amount of 3rd party NIL they had last year

 

[kupuna133]

Exactly, much like Cuban isn't either. I do think OTOH, after a really great season, a big donor would say "yes I donated X, I paid our Heisman winner" or whatever it was. What that is would be different at different places. Would be a NC at Ohio State or Bama but here I could see it after 10 wins.

But so far we have not had that. We need someone to come in and go whole hog.

And even if the GS haters got their most fevered dream nothing is going to change without that.

Yea I agree with most of what you just said. But what’s funny is big “donor's” weren’t quiet in the big programs prior to NIL and they’re not quiet now. You know the whales. If Cuban was the whale prior to NIL why would he be quiet after NIL. Article released yesterday reiterated what RUguy and I have been saying all along. He never gave to IU athletics prior to meeting Cignetti in South Bend in December. So going forward he will give to IU athletics. Just hasn’t prior.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yea I agree with most of what you just said. But what’s funny is big “donor's” weren’t quiet in the big programs prior to NIL and they’re not quiet now. You know the whales. If Cuban was the whale prior to NIL why would he be quiet after NIL. Article released yesterday reiterated what RUguy and I have been saying all along. He never gave to IU athletics prior to meeting Cignetti in South Bend in December. So going forward he will give to IU athletics. Just hasn’t prior.

There were and are known situations but before the SCOTUS decision things were against the rules, if lightly enforced. For example Auburn and Cam Newton. Everyone knew what was happening, but also, he was very successful, and they knew they wouldn't get in trouble. Not really a national example.

 

[kupuna133]

There were and are known situations but before the SCOTUS decision things were against the rules, if lightly enforced. For example Auburn and Cam Newton. Everyone knew what was happening, but also, he was very successful, and they knew they wouldn't get in trouble. Not really a national example.

Exactly it was against the rules. But the guy delivering the bag was bragging to his buddies. Everyone within the “program” knows who’s paying. All the players know where to go and get the $100 handshakes. NIL just made it a legal transaction. The d measuring still exists just like it did before.

 

[NotInRHouse]

No I don’t agree and you don’t know either just making assumptions that’s the point. It’s because JMU players came along, which isn’t anything unusual in CFB. And it’s really only given credence because they did well. If those bunch of G5 players sucked and IU sucked, no one would’ve thought anything about their team being bought or anything special about the amount of 3rd party NIL they had last year

Apologize if a 24/7 link breaks the rules but kindly ask mods just to remove the link and leave the substance if needed.

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-nil-collective-leaders-for-2025-ncaa-estimates-nations-top-25-spenders-241949240/#2564348

Indiana is in the top 25 nationally, along with OSU, Michigan, Cult, MSU, and Iowa, in NIL spending based on these estimates.

So obviously, Indiana is in top third. Are you going to tell me that is wrong and RU is in the top third as well? Or that everyone is just overestimating IU, Cuban or not?

 

[NotInRHouse]

Exactly it was against the rules. But the guy delivering the bag was bragging to his buddies. Everyone within the “program” knows who’s paying. Everyone knows where to go and get the $100 handshakes. NIL just made it a legal transaction. The d measuring still exists just like it did before.

He wasn't going to the media which is my point. The incentive there is limited.

In any case, Cuban or not, the estimate I just posted has IU in the top 20 nationally of NIL spenders. Unsurprisingly, RU is not listed.

 

[kupuna133]

He wasn't going to the media which is my point. The incentive there is limited.

In any case, Cuban or not, the estimate I just posted has IU in the top 20 nationally of NIL spenders. Unsurprisingly, RU is not listed.

Was never my argument. Never said IU didn’t have NIL. Just said Cuban wasn’t the guy.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Apologize if a 24/7 link breaks the rules but kindly ask mods just to remove the link and leave the substance if needed.

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-nil-collective-leaders-for-2025-ncaa-estimates-nations-top-25-spenders-241949240/#2564348

Indiana is in the top 25 nationally, along with OSU, Michigan, Cult, MSU, and Iowa, in NIL spending based on these estimates.

So obviously, Indiana is in top third. Are you going to tell me that is wrong and RU is in the top third as well? Or that everyone is just overestimating IU, Cuban or not?

Number 1 those are estimates and who knows who is spending what but more importantly that’s for this year lol and just emphasizes my point that revenue sharing is the difference maker this year not 3rd party NIL of prior years.

Do you think UVA, a school that doesn’t have many resources for football, don’t even think they have their own football complex or something like that, was spending more than other names (Tenn, Auburn, Oregon, FSU etc…) on that list last year? An example of why I don’t trust just any ole report out there. I’m gonna go with no lol.

Do I think UVA and IU have more NIL this year? Yes. What’s the difference this year? Revenue sharing and now NIL can come from the AD budget if you can find the money.

 

[kupuna133]

Number 1 those are estimates and who knows who is spending what but more importantly that’s for this year lol and just emphasizes my point that revenue sharing is the difference maker this year not 3rd party NIL of prior years.

Do you think UVA, a school that doesn’t have many resources for football, don’t even think they have their own football complex or something like that, was spending more than other names (Tenn, Auburn, Oregon, FSU etc…) on that list last year? An example of why I don’t trust just any ole report out there. I’m gonna go with no lol.

Do I think UVA and IU have more NIL this year? Yes. What’s the difference this year? Revenue sharing and now NIL can come from the AD budget if you can find the money.

Saw this information posted in a couple different spots on x today. But it’s because they must be paying these guys a boat load and it’s not coaching.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Saw this information posted in a couple different spots on x today. But it’s because they must be paying these guys a boat load and it’s not coaching.

I’ve seen those kind of stats about last year’s team, didn’t know what the configuration (star ratings) of this year’s team was.

 

[kupuna133]

I’ve seen those kind of stats about last year’s team, didn’t know what the configuration (star ratings) of this year’s team was.

Yep saw something similar recently. But today’s win brought it out in multiple spots. One of the commentators spoke about the money spent by Oregon and their roster make up compared to Indiana. Money spent and recruit rankings were not in the same ballpark. Yet Indiana won and their fans were the ones partying on the field after the game.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Saw this information posted in a couple different spots on x today. But it’s because they must be paying these guys a boat load and it’s not coaching.

this needs it's own thread

it's not NIL, not facilities, not location, it's coaching that still reigns supreme. NIL is only the most convenient excuse for the paint chip eaters

 

[kupuna133]

this needs it's own thread

it's not NIL, not facilities, not location, it's coaching that still reigns supreme. NIL is only the most convenient excuse for the paint chip eaters

Yep. Started a thread.

 

[kupuna133]

this needs it's own thread

it's not NIL, not facilities, not location, it's coaching that still reigns supreme. NIL is only the most convenient excuse for the paint chip eaters

Lots of people that never played a competitive sport beyond 6th grade don’t know what it takes to prepare for a game or that proper game plan and coaching play a significant role. Then you have a guy like Cignetti come in and win at a perennial loser and they think that there must be a billionaire that bought the roster. And the only way that his JMU guys came is because they got a paycheck. Cignetti has won everywhere he’s been