this is pure nonsense. People on this board absolutely care and can think of only one that is total $hyt stirrer who should be removed.
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For those parsing through these walls of text and are curious about Maryland alum Kevin Plank and his Under Armour empire, Under Armour is a brand in decline and also had to settle investor claims of fraudulent financial reporting. $434 Million class action settlement.
I’m aware of UA’s issues it doesn’t mean Kevin Plank isn’t very wealthy. Last Forbes net worth valuation still has him at 1B.
You're right. When I have the SEC looking over my shoulder, my investors dragging me to court, and my company is losing a lot of money every quarter, my focus would be on handing bag of cash to Mike Locksley to distribute to kids.
That’s the point just because someone is wealthy, an alum and has donated before doesn’t mean they’re donating tons of money to NIL.
People just throw out an alums names oh this team is bought or that team is bought without any sort of proof, just assumptions. Prior to this year, the average school didn’t really have tons of NIL money. I’ve seen so many quotes from coaches at your everyday (not the big status ones) school talking about revenue sharing being a difference maker. That’s the real pool of money not the 3rd party NIL of previous years. And I don’t expect that pool of money to be false or misleading.
OK. Can you provide an example of p4 school with success that ignoring NIL?
There are some people here that would tell you 5-7 is better than 7-6 because one win was against a "name" team.
They don't appreciate our SOS, we don't have the luxury of a B12 or ACC schedule.
While not in the wealthy as Planck crowd, we do OK, we are both alums and we have donated significant sums before, and we are not and will not donate money to NIL. For that matter, we are not donating to anything to our alma mater in the near future for a variety of reasons. Know others in our shoes who have donated and not donating more. So on 2 data points, what you say is correct, and I surmise there are more data points than 2.
OK but we know for a fact Cuban was involved with the NIL. We don't know that for Plank. We also do know the B1G revenue sharing numbers. The fact is IU (though not us and UMD) was getting the same share as OSU and Michigan but turning in worse results than RU and UMD for the most part since we joined.
The bottom line is kind of simple to me. IU got rich alums to sink money into their program, which in turn led that program to go from the B1G basement, past us and the other B1G middlers to the top tier with OSU, Oregon etc.
I don't understand the pushback to this idea, except to say it's daunting for us at RU fans because no one has shown up for us like that. That said, we did get money in MBB but it didn't pan out. It will have to be more. I don't think we can foreclose the possibility but will take effort. We can see the numbers, we know Cuban was involved. Where is the debate?
Until that time, our fans going nuts over middle of the pack results aren't really standing on strong ground.
I’d say more times than times than not prior to this year if you were a lower status school who had came out of nowhere and had some success it was not on the back of a big NIL pot.
People don’t realize how much exaggeration and falsehoods are told with these collectives and their deals….who knows how they book and value stuff or inflate numbers be it services or goods etc…
This year with revenue sharing, while unfortunately still not transparent, I expect NIL from the school to “real money” not inflated or misleading or false numbers. I’ve seen a bunch of stories of so and so everyday school spending more on players, it’s not a coincidence that’s happening because of this first year of revenue sharing. These programs weren’t swimming in 3rd party NIL money before. There’s a reason a bunch of coaches at everyday schools have said revenue sharing is a difference maker. It’s because 3rd party NIL wasn’t that much money and revenue sharing will be.
They’re more flush with funds because the money is coming from the school through the AD budget. Look at VTs recent increase in AD budget, I’m sure a chunk of that is for NIL revenue sharing with players.
Re middle of the pack results:
Think the question is are we doing what we should or more with what we have. If you look at the examples here of other programs, with very few exceptions, there has been significantly more infrastructure and/or NIL commitment than Rutgers.
We made bowls two years in a row and were in the last two games with 4th quarter leads. Does losing them both suck--yep. Is Robb Smith over his head--likley (How does Djabome go from being a force one year to barely noticable the next and out of position for ex? Has to be something dc is doing or instructing)
I noted the talent issue in another thread. It's a real issue in the B10. Our league opponents or nearly all of them, appear to have telent advantages. We don't lose the games by and large where we have the talent advantage (ooc) and have won some where questionable if equal (Va tech, Wash). The D has talent issues MADE WORSE by coaching so far. Perhaps the bye work can retool or impress some basiscs. The O had been historcally bad for years and now is historically good for RU.
But the issue that we are failing is in talent procurement as opposed to productivity by and large. Think thats being examined greatly by new admin. Doubt we see Smith as dc next year. Thus, with exception of the D through 5 games, I think we have played at or above talent level. Just have not gotten over the top in recent 50/50 games. Unfortunately those are two that the tlaent level was close. Wash had more talent last year and appears so this hear so will be a heavy lift. A breakthrough win against a more talented team would go a long way to getting things on track. Really looking to see either new personnel (was crying for a portal lb in off season) perhaps young lbs, or some simplifying of D scheme (watched Djabome and Wright guard open space while receivers ran to open spots) in bye week
Think the question is are we doing what we should or more with what we have. If you look at the examples here of other programs, with very few exceptions, there has been significantly more infrastructure and/or NIL commitment than Rutgers.
We made bowls two years in a row and were in the last two games with 4th quarter leads. Does losing them both suck--yep. Is Robb Smith over his head--likley (How does Djabome go from being a force one year to barely noticable the next and out of position for ex? Has to be something dc is doing or instructing)
I noted the talent issue in another thread. It's a real issue in the B10. Our league opponents or nearly all of them, appear to have telent advantages. We don't lose the games by and large where we have the talent advantage (ooc) and have won some where questionable if equal (Va tech, Wash). The D has talent issues MADE WORSE by coaching so far. Perhaps the bye work can retool or impress some basiscs. The O had been historcally bad for years and now is historically good for RU.
But the issue that we are failing is in talent procurement as opposed to productivity by and large. Think thats being examined greatly by new admin. Doubt we see Smith as dc next year. Thus, with exception of the D through 5 games, I think we have played at or above talent level. Just have not gotten over the top in recent 50/50 games. Unfortunately those are two that the tlaent level was close. Wash had more talent last year and appears so this hear so will be a heavy lift. A breakthrough win against a more talented team would go a long way to getting things on track. Really looking to see either new personnel (was crying for a portal lb in off season) perhaps young lbs, or some simplifying of D scheme (watched Djabome and Wright guard open space while receivers ran to open spots) in bye week
I don’t know that for a fact at all. That’s just assumption. They a had a bunch of G5 players come on board and many from JMU. If we had done that quite a few here would say wtf are we doing lol. Those players just followed their coach like many do. It doesn’t mean they didn’t get any compensation last year, maybe they did, but most likely not to some crazy levels people think…20M no way.
I’ll put it this way. Hypothetically if we needed a coach and hired CC last year, I’d say most of those JMU players would’ve followed him here too.
In this era roster turnover is common. I feel like 20 is almost minimum and up to 50-60 even. With revenue sharing that might even go up a little.
Man LR is 30-15 at USC and BK is 33-12 at LSU. GS record is 29-36 since his return. You are just fooling yourself if you think that if GS had put up their numbers it would be considered a slam dunk
Power 4 coaches at .500 or worse since 2022
- #Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State: 21-21 (50%)
- Pat Narduzzi, Pitt: 21-21 (50%)
- Greg Schiano, Rutgers: 21-22 (48.8%)
- *Billy Napier, Florida: 20-22 (47.6%)
- Dave Aranda, Baylor: 20-23 (46.5%)
- #Sam Pittman, Arkansas: 20-23 (46.5%)
- Justin Wilcox, Cal: 20-23 (46.5%)
- Mark Stoops, Kentucky: 20-24 (45.4%)
- Clark Lea, Vanderbilt: 19-23 (45.2%)
- *#Brent Pry, Virginia Tech: 16-24 (40%)
- *Tony Elliott, Virginia: 15-24 (38.4%)
Going to think most of that list will not be retained.can only think of 2 possible returnees outside of Schiano. 2.5 is my over under.
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Note that Cal (Wilcox), Virginia (Elliot), and Pitt (Narduzzi) are also all fairly strong academic schools (like Rutgers, although Cal is in a league of its own). I know that Cal profs and some alums are loathe to throw money away on athletics. At these schools, mediocre to good once in a while seems to be "good enough."
I actually like them as head coaches and think they’re good but they weren’t brought in just to have good records. LR was 8-5 and 7-6 the last two years. I read somewhere his record up to the same point in tenure was about the same or slightly worse than Clay Helton. The last 3 LSU coaches won a championship by their 3rd full year. I don’t even think of Orgeron as all that great and he still won one lol. Both LR and BK haven’t made a playoff yet. You’d think they would with playoff expansion now but we’ll see.
They didn’t get 100M+ dollar contracts and all the resources they’d want to just have winning records or make bowl games. It was to win championships and not just make playoffs but make noise and advance in them as well. By the measure of those schools and what they’ve put into those coaches, they haven’t been slam dunks.
They’re not going anywhere though because there is still a ton of money owed and I don’t see them pulling an A&M. They’ll just hope things improve.
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I’d expect Narduzzi, Schiano, Aranda (probably, although he has been on the hot seat before), Lea, Stoops and Elliot(if he has a decent season) to be back.
Stoops is still owed a ton of money iirc. He’s taken UK to heights never imagined and double digit win seasons a couple of times but like Gundy anything can turn on anyone no matter what they’ve done at their school. That’s why I prefer manageable outs instead of all the crazy long term mostly guaranteed deals. What you see today isn’t necessarily what you’ll see tomorrow. If they don’t like it then you let them go and you try and find someone else.
Yea I didn’t see Lea and Vanderbilt on that list. He’s safe with his recent success. But I’m not sure Aranda has anymore lives last. Baylor doesn’t like to be 5th fiddle in Texas. And they are solidly there now. Stoops is wearing thin, old business partners brother played TE at Kentucky and I have family in Lexington, he is solidly in the crosshairs. Stoops is making it very hard to raise money for the basketball team with all the losses. Need to at least make the tailgates interesting.
Yea. I know but Kentucky is different than all the SEC schools and basketball drives the bus. Kentucky people think they can convince him to retire at a reduced rate. And I somewhat believe them. Thinking negotiated full pay to staff and reduced to $15 for stoops.
Stoops must be very generous to accept less than half of what he’s owed lol. That’s less than 2 years salary for him at the 9M/yr he makes.
I’ll have to see it to believe it. But Paul Chryst took way less (11M vs 20M) than what he was owed when he was fired so who knows. That was his alma mater, so maybe he was feeling generous haha.
Not saying it will happen. But it’s been discussed. Stoops has been given every opportunity to succeed. He’s not getting it done. If it wasn’t for that awful contract he would have been gone. Conversation I’ve had is they can’t run the risk of waiting much longer. When basketball donors start demanding moves. Things have a way of moving.
Look what just popped up on my timeline. Hahahaha
Kentucky Football Thrown a Lifeline as $38M Mark Stoops Hurdle Takes Twist
One analyst believes there could be a way for Kentucky to work around Mark Stoops’ $38 million buyout.
www.profootballnetwork.com
I think these will be back next year
Dave Aranda, Baylor
Pat Narduzzi, Pitt:
Justin Wilcox, Cal:
Clark Lea, Vanderbilt:
Tony Elliott, Virginia
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Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
www.si.com
Campus Ink Announces $2 Million Investment Round For NIL Student Merch Platform
Today we are proud to announce Campus Ink has secured a $2 million round of funding to continue growing its name, image and likeness (NIL) student merchandise platform. Led by Chicago’s LightBank, a second investment from Mark Cuban, and further...
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He put up a few million each time
No doubt before NIL. We are in a different world though now. I am saying which are the current programs you see in the top 25 not making major use of NIL...I don't believe there is one.
The University of Indiana came to an agreement with Campus Ink, an apparel company with a NIL store, and one of the school’s most famed alumni is one of its key investors: Mark Cuban.
“We are always looking to be on the forefront of NIL issues, this is the most basic NIL opportunity, and Campus Ink is an innovative leader in this area,” Indiana senior associate athletic director and spokesman Jeremy Gray told the Herald-Times in an email. ”Obviously, [Cuban’s] involvement is a bonus!”
Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
www.si.com
That’s not new information and I’ve already referenced it in multiple posts.The University of Indiana came to an agreement with Campus Ink, an apparel company with a NIL store, and one of the school’s most famed alumni is one of its key investors: Mark Cuban.
“We are always looking to be on the forefront of NIL issues, this is the most basic NIL opportunity, and Campus Ink is an innovative leader in this area,” Indiana senior associate athletic director and spokesman Jeremy Gray told the Herald-Times in an email. ”Obviously, [Cuban’s] involvement is a bonus!”
Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
They put out a PR about a year ago that they’ve distributed about 1M dollars to athletes since they’ve started. That’s all athletes that are connected with them not just IU athletes. It’s just an exchange to connect athletes and NIL opportunities not actually a donation to IU NIL.
I’m saying anything prior to this year with revenue sharing with the school which includes a few years of NIL.
Yes as an investment in a company that’s not exclusive to IU. It’s no different than an investment he’d make on shark tank lol.Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
Campus Ink Announces $2 Million Investment Round For NIL Student Merch Platform
Today we are proud to announce Campus Ink has secured a $2 million round of funding to continue growing its name, image and likeness (NIL) student merchandise platform. Led by Chicago’s LightBank, a second investment from Mark Cuban, and further...
He put up a few million each time
As of some time last year the company has only distributed about 1M dollars to all athletes it’s been connected with, not just IU athletes.
It’s just a business venture that helps connect athletes with NIL opportunities. It’s not Cuban having or donating to a collective for IU’s NIL. It’s not Cuban buying a team.
If you want to say a team is bought that’s a lower status program, it’s TT this year taking advantage of the uncapped/capped transition. It’s not the case for IU or most lower status schools before this year.
This year with revenue sharing with the school everyone can up their NIL expenditures, TT has really pushed the limit on the transitional year though with their front loading on deals.
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He put up the money to start the platform to clear the NIL deals. Not to IU NIL. Has stated he would not buy players. Campus ink is basically a place for schools to sell apparel and money flow directly to the athlete. “Campus Ink’s NIL store acts as a hub for college athletes to partner with designers and make apparel that uses license marks of their school’s athletic department and program.” As I have stated in multiple posts over the past year.Indiana Signs Deal With NIL Company Backed by Alum Mark Cuban
The Mavericks majority owner graduated from Indiana in 1981.
Campus Ink Announces $2 Million Investment Round For NIL Student Merch Platform
Today we are proud to announce Campus Ink has secured a $2 million round of funding to continue growing its name, image and likeness (NIL) student merchandise platform. Led by Chicago’s LightBank, a second investment from Mark Cuban, and further...
He put up a few million each time
Cuban and others around the NBA are still quite interested to see how the name, image and likeness money coupled now with the ability of schools to directly pay athletes will shake out. It’s very much a Wild West vibe — even to seen-it-all businessfolk like Cuban.
“You hear the stories,” he said. “I’ve talked to ADs and I’ve talked to [college] coaches, where it’s not tax deductible if I give money to [his alma mater] Indiana, which I haven’t. “
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When you can compare their record since they returned, who is getting it done, who isn't getting it done? On your 2nd point, I do t hide my feeling, you are correct I don't want GS. Nothing against him personally, just don't think he is a good coach. Others will have a different opinion but just wanted to put mine on record
I am not saying it is new. I am saying his financial involvement is helping push the program. This board is the first place I've seen any argument that he isn't involved.
Yeah this article is from when the first deals opened. Since then, IU has been participating. RU hasn't in football to this extent. And yes, it is Wild West to the extent there is no record of "Mr X paid Y players Z amount."
I guess you glanced over where Cuban says he did not give any money to Indiana NIL. He has been adamant where he has said he would not buy players or donate directly to NIL.
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As a prominent alumnus, Mark Cuban has financially supported Indiana University, but his name, image, and likeness (NIL) contributions are primarily through his investment in the company Campus Ink, which then partnered with IU
. He has not directly given his own NIL to the university. “