Has a ranked team within 2 years of taking over. I've liked Greg but I don't know anymore.
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The guy is a winner. Light years better coach than Greg and it’s not particularly even a debate.
Pretty sure this is like Bielema’s 5th year at Illinois. If you’re hell bent on trolling, at least get the facts right.
Bielema was done dirty by Ark…he is a good coach…he wasn’t given enough time
This is his 5th year at Illinois, he had a winning record in Big 10 play 2 out of his first 4 years at Illinois. He is getting it done
Tate and Zinn know how to bring the NIL money. Don't give up on Greg yet. The NIL money will change the game and we'll all look brilliant by sticking with Greg.
He won a ton at Wisconsin. Kind of odd that Arkansas ran him out of town but they haven't fired Pittman yet.
Being a Rutgers fan is like being Tantalus in Greek mythology. When ever he reached for fruit from a tree, the branch would pull back so it was always out of his reach. We always think that we're so close to a break through year but it never happens.
I've always been a big supporter of Greg but ........
I've always been a big supporter of Greg but ........
Being a Rutgers fan is like being a Jets fan....all hope in the world literally crumbles in first couple weeks of the season
Just
End
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Season
Spoke too soon. Look who they replaced him with.
they should have waited 3 more gamesSpoke too soon. Look who they replaced him with.
I think he’s better off and more suited for a midwest-centric conference.
Plus he’s evolved from both his time at Wisconsin and Arkansas. Back then he was pretty much a smash mouth gonna run you over with our RBs and OL and not much else. That attitude isn’t going to work when you’re Arkansas going up and against stacked Alabama, LSU, UGA and the like…especially with no portal and NIL back then. Russelll Wilson was probably his only qb of note for a year, transferring from NC St.
Now at his essence, he’s still the same guy and has the same attitude to be physical and hard nosed for his football team but he’s adapted a bit. They are much more versatile on offense with Barry Lunney and it isn’t just solely ground and pound and nothing else. IMO Altmyer wouldn’t be performing the way he is now on those old Bielema teams. They had 500 yds of offense on USC yesterday (not too likely with those former teams)…300+ through the air and almost 200 on the ground. The were very physical with that star studded USC defense as you’d expect from a Bielema team but were also versatile enough to attack it in different ways. That’s the difference in him from the past to the present imo.
Bielema was the guy I wanted at the time. His wife wanted to be here and he liked his time with the Jets. Missed opportunity.
We blew out Indiana? Since that coach got there Indiana has given Cignetti a lot of money in NIL. Able to get QB from Cal. They are in different world right now.
Not sure why Cignetti is brought up in a Bielema thread but who is to say that CC got a lot of money. How do we know how much they have and how much is actually coming from the school’s athletic department via revenue sharing (probably the majority) and how much maybe through an outside the school collective. Outside the school collectives will be curtailed after this year where there may be a mix of the two because of front loaded deals before the cap deadline. Legitimacy of of outside the school NIL has to be proven now.
Any school is entitled to use up to that 13-15M revenue sharing cap for football via their AD revenue, it’s easier for schools in the B10 and SEC to find that money in their budgets because they get larger distributions.
Also have you read what FM said as to why he chose IU. He said he got offers from bigger names in the SEC but he thought he could be developed and honed better at IU and that his dream was making the NFL. He thought he stood a better chance of that coming to fruition at IU. His younger brother is also a qb there and gave home insight into the staff and school as well.
I’ve said this a bunch of times. Every player is different and motivations range from playing time to money and there’s a spectrum. Each player falls somewhere along that spectrum. Even for the same player the priorities can change from one year to the next in his career.
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And now Pittman is shown the door. The Southern schools are cleaning house right now if coaches are not winning.
He wasn't a cultural fit down there and it hurt his recruiting results
TLDR wall of text but last season there was ZERO revenue sharing. Indiana promised Cigs $20mm in NIL, and in his own words they far exceeded that amount.
You still need to identify talent and coach well but don't for a second think the money wasn't there for his free agency binge
Yea so he’s a billionaire alum from the school and has donated to it. It doesn’t mean he’s funding NIL and if he is it doesn’t imply how much. These are just all assumptions which I’ve addressed in a few threads. No one really knows if he or any other booster is or isn’t. It’s just a knee jerk reflex to trot out any billionaire name when said lower status school starts doing well without any actual knowledge.
@kupuna133 mentioned Cuban has said he’s not planning on funding NIL to any great extent, if at all. I looked it up and all I found was he invested in some exchange for athletes to hookup with sponsors and the like to generate NIL..it’s called Campus Ink. That’s for all athletes not just IU. They put out a PR a year or so ago that they distributed about a million dollars to athletes, not just IU. Anything else is just assumptions. It’s more likely that whatever NIL money IU has is largely coming from the athletic department through revenue sharing just like any other school in the B10, SEC and across the country who can revenue share up to the cap.
I posted an article about how little resources Locksley had last year at Maryland and how he said it messed up his lockerroom trying to split those finite resources. What happened to all that Plank UA money everyone mentioned in the past. He’s donated to them in the past so they should have money coming out their ears right? Doesn’t sound like it. Like I said you can’t assume anything, who knows what’s what. Willard also complained about lack of NIL money before he left. Now recently I read Maryland might have 7M in NIL money for basketball. Did the money magically appear? No, it most likely is largely funded by the athletic department through revenue sharing and this is the first year it’s allowed so the money js there now if they can find it in the AD budget. Finding that money in the AD budget should be easier if you’re a school in the B10 or SEC where you get 10s of millions more in distributions vs other conferences.
How about Ok St and all that money from the late Boone Pickens. They suck now so it’s not mentioned. If a lower status team does well, some billionaire bought the team but if they suck suddenly no mentions. Reality is we have no idea one way or the other most of the time.
What we’ve seen with TT this year, yes that is a team that’s been bought to make a short term run at the B12 and CFP. Their boosters led by a billionaire reportedly spent 25M on the roster with front loaded deals to try to take advantage of this transitional year just before the cap was instituted this summer. They've said as much. But even those front loaded deals will run their course just like super seniors and covid eligibility did. That same TT billionaire has said in the future the revenue sharing from the school will be the largest piece not 3rd party NIL. Outside 3rd party NIL has to be legitimate and there are only some handfuls of players that can actually generate that amount of money. Most can’t and the revenue sharing with the school will be the lions share of player compensation as this transitional period between uncapped/capped wears off.
NIL and portal have been great for opportunity and parity. I actually think having to verify and legitimize 3rd party NIL will be another push towards a little more parity. Mind you lawsuits are always possible so the cap and NIL verification may come under pressure but if the rules stay as they are, I think it’s another step in the direction some parity.
Have a link with a reliable source like mainstream CFP media. I don’t believe the 20M figure unless I see that…like I’ve posted about TT and their reported 25M this year. All I’d agree with is yes last year was uncapped. The other thing I’d say if that 20M figure was true, which I doubt, you don’t know how it’s made up. Is it mostly cash, not likely, or in kind or in inflated value for services or who knows what. So many outside NIL figures and reports were totally misleading or false but everyone just takes it as cold hard cash without any true idea.
I’ve seen an article from the athletic mentioning the NIL values that on3 publishes for players and some agent or somebody said where did they get those figures and it’s baloney essentially. On3 has some proprietary algorithm to generate figures. Point being no one knows it’s just assumptions.
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Cuban is not writing checks for players. Discussed on the Gottleib podcast. And Cuban has said so publicly. He will help with selling their product but not writing checks.
The whole Indiana paying football players is blown way out of proportion. Other schools may, even those not to the levels people think, but Indiana no. In this podcast they even say that they don’t have the money at Indiana to compete to the levels they think they are entitled in basketball much less football.
There will always be a successful coach in any given year to hold up for comparison to Schiano. Different years, different new or even recycled old examples.
I suspect many who chime in their agreement in such threads really just don't want Schiano or really don't care about Rutgers, they just want to spread chaos here. Of course, some will tell themselves they were always behind NAME X.. whoever teh flavor of the day is.
I suspect many who chime in their agreement in such threads really just don't want Schiano or really don't care about Rutgers, they just want to spread chaos here. Of course, some will tell themselves they were always behind NAME X.. whoever teh flavor of the day is.
Anyone not named Saban or Myer is a crap shoot. Look at Riley at USC or Kelly at LSU, they haven’t lived up to billing or salary yet.
It’s just fooling yourself if you think oh if we paid this much or oh if we hired this person it’s a slam dunk. It pretty much never is. You make your best guess at who might be good and if he isn’t you try again and again..etc…
You forgot Fickell, or are you being fickle about Fickell?
An example of an coach that excelled at the G5 level but has not been able to deliver at the P5 level.
Ironically, Cincinnati was the cradle of successful P5 coaches- Brian Kelly was there, and so was Mark Dantonio. Butch Jones was the catalyst who turned all that around and nobody else decent has come out of Cincinnati.
I don't think anyone is saying NIL fixes everything.
What they're saying is you can't win WITHOUT strong NIL backing.
We have mid NIL backing, and the mid results to show.
IU has among the best NIL backing, and among the best results to show.
There have been myriad issues with Locksley (was evident from NM days) and Gundy ("I'm a man, I'm 40!!!") and all the off the field drama over the years.
OTOH, GS has been pretty good at not being a nutbag, so it'd be interesting to see what would happen with more NIL here. There are no guarantees as we saw in bball, but there's a pretty good case that if we had even just a ringer kicker we'd be undefeated right now.
Is there anyone out there doing poorly in NIL and winning in football?
My point is prior to this year I think people overestimate how much NIL the average program had, regardless of internet reports…many of those reports are very misleading or flat out false. I’ve read a bunch of articles over the last few years from actual CFB mainstream media delving into it and saying such.
This year everyone’s NIL has gone up due to revenue sharing. After this transitional period between capped/uncapped schools paying players will be the biggest piece of compensation. 3rd party NIL compensation will have to be verified as legitimate which will curtail it in most instances, outside some handfuls of players. Future lawsuits could always change that but that’s how it will be barring that.
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From a google search:article showing the Hoosies are giving their HC the support he needs to make Indiana a real good team.
When they were mediocre, Indiana was financed like one
Once they decided to try and reach the yop, they started supporting the team on a way to help it reach the top
> “Coach Cignetti would not be here if we didn’t have a robust NIL program,” Dolson told WRTV last year. “That’s just because you have to have the resources to be able to win. As good as he is, he needs those resources as well. The NIL opportunity for us has enabled us to really level the playing field around the country.”<
> According to information published in the Knight-Newhouse database, IU has increased its football expenditures every year since 2021, from $23.9 million to $61.6 million. 2024 was the first year at least going back to 2005 that IU exceeded the Big Ten median in total football spending.<
From “neglect” to “real commitment”: IU’s investment in football making major impact
Was Indiana football always a sleeping giant, simply short on the necessary investment to the elevate the program, and often lacking a competent head coach? Probably. That’s what Curt Cignet…
www.thedailyhoosier.com
Now for the Illinois, Bielema deserves credit for making the Fighting Illini a good program with the support hewas receiving
Compare this ( below) to what Cignetti is working with (and Curt deserves praise for the team he's making .
( google found)
- In late 2024, head coach Bret Bielema revealed that the Illinois football program's NIL budget was $5 million, a figure he said was significantly lower than that of top Big Ten competitors.
- Just a few months later, news broke that Illinois Athletics was planning to pay players $20.5 million, marking a massive increase in spending power to compete with elite programs
Like I said everyone’s NIL will increase this year because of revenue sharing with the schools. It’s no surprise you see jumps this year because of that and this is real money as far as I know…not misleading (compensation in kind or inflated valuation etc..) or false reporting regardless of what any report might say.From a google search:article showing the Hoosies are giving their HC the support he needs to make Indiana a real good team.
When they were mediocre, Indiana was financed like one
Once they decided to try and reach the yop, they started supporting the team on a way to help it reach the top
> “Coach Cignetti would not be here if we didn’t have a robust NIL program,” Dolson told WRTV last year. “That’s just because you have to have the resources to be able to win. As good as he is, he needs those resources as well. The NIL opportunity for us has enabled us to really level the playing field around the country.”<
> According to information published in the Knight-Newhouse database, IU has increased its football expenditures every year since 2021, from $23.9 million to $61.6 million. 2024 was the first year at least going back to 2005 that IU exceeded the Big Ten median in total football spending.
From “neglect” to “real commitment”: IU’s investment in football making major impact
Was Indiana football always a sleeping giant, simply short on the necessary investment to the elevate the program, and often lacking a competent head coach? Probably. That’s what Curt Cignet…
Now for the Illinois, Bielema deserves credit for making the Fighting Illini a good program with the support hewas receiving
Compare this ( below) to what Cignetti is working with (and Curt deserves praise for the team he's making .
( google found)
- In late 2024, head coach Bret Bielema revealed that the Illinois football program's NIL budget was $5 million, a figure he said was significantly lower than that of top Big Ten competitors.
- Just a few months later, news broke that Illinois Athletics was planning to pay players $20.5 million, marking a massive increase in spending power to compete with elite programs
Also as far as operating budget for football, I saw a slide recently for FY2024 on B10 schools and we were 6th overall in the B10. Washington surprisingly was 1st in the B10. Couldn’t find the slide but found the database for all colleges from the same source. We actually have the 12th highest operating budget in the country for football at just over 64M, a spot in front of IU at 61M. So I wouldn’t say we’re not spending on football. This is the top 20.
Here are all the FY24 FOOTBALL operating budgets
You asked, so I made the spreadsheet.
www.extrapointsmb.com
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The 12th highest operating budget in the country for football at just over 64M, makes me feel Rutgers should be able to afford to bring in a good gamble if Schiano doesn't start showing he ca make RU FB a top B1G program.Like I said everyone’s NIL will increase this year because of revenue sharing with the schools. It’s no surprise you see jumps this year because of that and this is real money as far as I know…not misleading (compensation in kind or inflated valuation etc..) or false reporting regardless of what any report might say.
Also as far as operating budget for football, I saw a slide recently for FY2024 on B10 schools and we were 6th overall in the B10. Washington surprisingly was 1st in the B10. Couldn’t find the slide but found the database for all colleges from the same source. We actually have the 12th highest operating budget in the country for football at just over 64M, a spot in front of IU at 61M. So I wouldn’t say we’re not spending on football. This is the top 20.
Here are all the FY24 FOOTBALL operating budgets
You asked, so I made the spreadsheet.
Looks like Tate and Zinn need to use that budget spending better than the people they replaced .
In my search I found that $64 mil this year was increased from a $49+ mil operating budget last year.
Where the **** is that money going?
edit: by the way: thanks for showing me that budget
Well as someone who supported bringing Lance Leipold to Rutgers he is in the same boat as Greg. Both programs are standing at 3-2. I will say for LL that he has had several "statement" games in his tenure beating high profile ranked teams. In stint II with Greg so far that statement win over a major program or ranked team has not happened at least that I can recall.
The Blue Bloods are Blue Bloods because they are programs that have been at the top of college football for a long time. We all know the names of the programs that have the most money and get the best talent.
Greg like Lance is not heading a program that gets the best talent and therefore has to develop it. That takes time and energy. Greg being 59 or so is getting close to the downslope of that curve. One of these years he will make the transition from coach to AD, hopefully here at Rutgers. Being a head football coach takes energy and recruiting talent and Greg is getting short on the first and always has had issues with the second.
The Blue Bloods are Blue Bloods because they are programs that have been at the top of college football for a long time. We all know the names of the programs that have the most money and get the best talent.
Greg like Lance is not heading a program that gets the best talent and therefore has to develop it. That takes time and energy. Greg being 59 or so is getting close to the downslope of that curve. One of these years he will make the transition from coach to AD, hopefully here at Rutgers. Being a head football coach takes energy and recruiting talent and Greg is getting short on the first and always has had issues with the second.
Leipold "statement" games:
2021: None
2022: None (Oklahoma State was ranked at 18 when Kansas beat them, but they were putrid)
2023: Oklahoma (end of season ranked 15)
2024: Iowa State (end of season ranked 15); BYU (end of season ranked 13); Colorado (end of season ranked 25)
2024 some good wins, but ended the season 5-7.
Yep, Greg lacks "signature wins", but I can guess that boo birds on this site would denigrate any victories as one or more of "not good enough," "lucky", "a gift by the refs."
59 is old? I have interacted with Greg a few times in person. He's still high energy. And Leipold is 61. And Bill Snyder was winning at a high level at72 years old. And Cignetti is 63 or 64.
2021: None
2022: None (Oklahoma State was ranked at 18 when Kansas beat them, but they were putrid)
2023: Oklahoma (end of season ranked 15)
2024: Iowa State (end of season ranked 15); BYU (end of season ranked 13); Colorado (end of season ranked 25)
2024 some good wins, but ended the season 5-7.
Yep, Greg lacks "signature wins", but I can guess that boo birds on this site would denigrate any victories as one or more of "not good enough," "lucky", "a gift by the refs."
59 is old? I have interacted with Greg a few times in person. He's still high energy. And Leipold is 61. And Bill Snyder was winning at a high level at72 years old. And Cignetti is 63 or 64.
No only that.. we cannot afford to make a mistake on a big name at big salary. It would destroy us. Is Belicheck just going for one final payday? I have no idea. I thought he might be trying to set up his son to step in for him at UNC after some success.. but you just never know with these hires.
agree with you but sadly, none of those teams were ranked but great wins to me! we need to beat some ranked teams and teams we are not expected to beat.