McPherson update.

[patdog]

From Maroon Madness Media (pretty good facebook page if you’re not already following):

Ryan McPherson is scheduled a bullpen session this week, so we will kind of see how that goes and it's kind of day-to-day, O'Connor said today. "I'm hoping that he can help us out very, very soon."

The Bat signal is on Ryan!

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

Means he may be ready for a Regional appearance in Game 1 if we have a versus a weak #4

 

[patdog]

Means he may be ready for a Regional appearance in Game 1 if we have a versus a weak #4

That’s my hope. Get him a few innings at A&M, a few more in the SECT & then ready to start for maybe 5 innings by the regional.

 

[Msuirondawgs]

Even if he is back in 2 weeks...Lets Ride

 

[GloryDawg]

If he is in pen he's scheduled to play. It might only be one inning during the week.

 

[patdog]

If he is in pen he's scheduled to play. It might only be one inning during the week.

He won’t pitch tomorrow. Pretty sure I’Connor has confirmed this. This is just a practice. Theoretically might be available for an inning or 2 this weekend. But I think next weekend more likely.

 

[Tall Dawg]

If it’s true his forearm has been pain free for 4 weeks let’s get him 2-3 innings in relief this weekend.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Is he primed to coach first base this season? ******

 

[patdog]

If it’s true his forearm has been pain free for 4 weeks let’s get him 2-3 innings in relief this weekend.

Worst thing we could do is try to bring him back too quickly. But I think assuming it goes well & his arm responds well, we may see an inning or two this weekend. Problem is this is where you would send a MLB pitcher down to AAA to pitch in a couple off games that don’t matter. After tonight, they all matter.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Only way he's back this year is if it's one of those situations where his bullpens are just unbelievable and they bring him in relief because they have to. Other than that, he's out for the year

None of this 'iffy' stuff and starting him on a Sunday or weekday, we've already got that handled, no sense doing this unless he's ready to truly make an impact

 

[maroontide06]

Only way he's back this year is if it's one of those situations where his bullpens are just unbelievable and they bring him in relief because they have to. Other than that, he's out for the year

None of this 'iffy' stuff and starting him on a Sunday or weekday, we've already got that handled, no sense doing this unless he's ready to truly make an impact

The starting pitching and the bullpen was pretty unbelievable on Sunday when there was no excuse for it to be that way. I'm sure Oak won't rush him into anything, but if he feels comfortable and the staff feels comfortable sending him out there, he will make an impact one way or the other.

 

[She Mate Me]

Only way he's back this year is if it's one of those situations where his bullpens are just unbelievable and they bring him in relief because they have to. Other than that, he's out for the year

None of this 'iffy' stuff and starting him on a Sunday or weekday, we've already got that handled, no sense doing this unless he's ready to truly make an impact

Your ability to insert yourself into every discussion as the expert is stunning. It must be lovely being you.

 

[Drebin]

If he is in pen he's scheduled to play. It might only be one inning during the week.

Bullpen session is not a game appearance. They will just having him throw 15 to 20 pitches in the bullpen and assess how he feels the next day. Then they'll go from there.

 

[Seinfeld]

I’ll just say this. As positive and optimistic as O’Conner has been during the last month about getting McPherson back, I’ll be very disappointed if he’s unable to help us in some way.

Now, if he throws his arm out after pitching an inning, all bets are off, but our head coach sure seems to be convinced that he’s not done.

 

[paindonthurt]

Your ability to insert yourself into every discussion as the expert is stunning. It must be lovely being you.

And he’s always about as vague or indirect as possible.

his comment here leaves him open to “see I told you so” in almost every possible scenario.

and fyi this is why my “debate style” is so bad on here. Dealing with people like goat will do that to you.

 

[She Mate Me]

And he’s always about as vague or indirect as possible.

his comment here leaves him open to “see I told you so” in almost every possible scenario.

and fyi this is why my “debate style” is so bad on here. Dealing with people like goat will do that to you.

I get it, but I think you like the fisticuffs a little too (or a lot).

My issue with the goat here (and in general) is that he likely has almost no direct info about the situation, but posts as if he's the team doctor and the HC. Informed opinions on every freaking subject imaginable.

In junior high we called him a "know it all". You're supposed to grow out of it.

 

[patdog]

I’ll just say this. As positive and optimistic as O’Conner has been during the last month about getting McPherson back, I’ll be very disappointed if he’s unable to help us in some way.

Now, if he throws his arm out after pitching an inning, all bets are off, but our head coach sure seems to be convinced that he’s not done.

If he's throwing a bullpen session this week and it goes well, I don't think there's any doubt we'll see him by the end of the regular season. And I expect he'll definitely contribute in the post season. I don't think he'll be our #1 starter again until next year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start in the post season, or at least really help us out in the bullpen.

 

[olblue]

On his Sunday podcast, Bart Gregory mentions McPherson and out for the year in the same sentence. FWIW.

 

[patdog]

On his Sunday podcast, Bart Gregory mentions McPherson and out for the year in the same sentence. FWIW.

I’ll stand by my earlier post. If his bullpen session goes well & his arm is ok afterwards, we will see him before the regular season is over.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

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[She Mate Me]

I’ll stand by my earlier post. If his bullpen session goes well & his arm is ok afterwards, we will see him before the regular season is over.

What's interesting for me is that this team's ceiling is still high. Yeah, they've got obvious deficiencies. But there's a lot of season left.

If we get a little hot there's plenty of time for McPherson to reach a point where he's starting in key situations if we get to a Super or the CWS.

This is still a team that can win it all. They're better than plenty of the teams we've sent to Omaha . Just need some things to fall in place.

 

[Lettuce]

Bullpen session is usually followed by at least 2 starts in the minors …if we are talking an mlb timeline.

that puts him ready for A&M series

 

[leeinator]

If he has pain at all, then shut him down for the year and determine quickly if he needs TJ surgery or something else. Now's the time to go ahead and do it.....then get ready for next year.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

If he has pain at all, then shut him down for the year and determine quickly if he needs TJ surgery or something else. Now's the time to go ahead and do it.....then get ready for next year.

If he has TJ now he won’t be very effective next year. He already had it once in high school. Have to avoid that if at all possible.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

If he has pain at all, then shut him down for the year and determine quickly if he needs TJ surgery or something else. Now's the time to go ahead and do it.....then get ready for next year.

I can't imagine he'd need TJ for a strained forearm, but I ain't no doctor.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I can't imagine he'd need TJ for a strained forearm, but I ain't no doctor.

Strained forearms don’t take 8 weeks to heal (at least).

Everyone knows where this is headed. He’s either going to pitch with pain and inflammation a few times before the end of this year, then be done for 2027. Or, he’s going to go ahead and be shut down, have the surgery, and maybe ready for late 2027 season if he’s still here.

The ultimate question for him is would it be better to try and contribute something in this postseason run, vs. maybe never pitching in college again? He’s the only one who can answer that.

 

[Curby]

Strained forearms don’t take 8 weeks to heal (at least).

Everyone knows where this is headed. He’s either going to pitch with pain and inflammation a few times before the end of this year, then be done for 2027. Or, he’s going to go ahead and be shut down, have the surgery, and maybe ready for late 2027 season if he’s still here.

The ultimate question for him is would it be better to try and contribute something in this postseason run, vs. maybe never pitching in college again? He’s the only one who can answer that.

That is not true in the least, if they are honest about what the MRI showed. The UCL was pristine.

Strained forearm does NOT take that long. Nate Dohm's was worse, and he came back in-season

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Strained forearms don’t take 8 weeks to heal (at least).

Everyone knows where this is headed. He’s either going to pitch with pain and inflammation a few times before the end of this year, then be done for 2027. Or, he’s going to go ahead and be shut down, have the surgery, and maybe ready for late 2027 season if he’s still here.

The ultimate question for him is would it be better to try and contribute something in this postseason run, vs. maybe never pitching in college again? He’s the only one who can answer that.

I wouldn't go that far. Again, he had the surgery in high school.

Dude really needs to take a look at his mechanics.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Strained forearms don’t take 8 weeks to heal (at least).

Everyone knows where this is headed. He’s either going to pitch with pain and inflammation a few times before the end of this year, then be done for 2027. Or, he’s going to go ahead and be shut down, have the surgery, and maybe ready for late 2027 season if he’s still here.

The ultimate question for him is would it be better to try and contribute something in this postseason run, vs. maybe never pitching in college again? He’s the only one who can answer that.

From recent personal experience, a strained forearm can take a while to get back to no pain at all. It’s a gradual process. I’m assuming BOC is being extra cautious as he wants Mc to be 100% for the post season (regional/super, not SEC tournament). Obviously he won’t go 7 innings, but just four solid innings in a super would be huge.

 

[johnson86-1]

Strained forearms don’t take 8 weeks to heal (at least).

Everyone knows where this is headed. He’s either going to pitch with pain and inflammation a few times before the end of this year, then be done for 2027. Or, he’s going to go ahead and be shut down, have the surgery, and maybe ready for late 2027 season if he’s still here.

The ultimate question for him is would it be better to try and contribute something in this postseason run, vs. maybe never pitching in college again? He’s the only one who can answer that.

This is from Dr. Google, so take with a shaker of salt, but supposedly a forearm strain after TJ surgery is a strong predictor of needing a second TJ surgery. So it makes sense they would be extremely cautious with it. But it seems just as likely that if he is having a forearm issue, it's because his UCL replacement ligament is stronger now and he's still generating more force than his arm can handle, either because he's just throwing harder than his body is built for or because of a mechanics issue, and the injury is just showing up at the next weakest place now that his UCL is a ligament. (That's not even from Dr. Google, so take it with a salt mine).

Not sure this is relevant because it's specifically for major leaguers, but Dr. Google also says that a second TJ surgery is usually around 5 years after the first if it is required. Not sure when his TJ surgery was, but presumably it was not 5 years ago and forearm pain now isn't a great sign.

 

[HRMSU]

This is from Dr. Google, so take with a shaker of salt, but supposedly a forearm strain after TJ surgery is a strong predictor of needing a second TJ surgery. So it makes sense they would be extremely cautious with it. But it seems just as likely that if he is having a forearm issue, it's because his UCL replacement ligament is stronger now and he's still generating more force than his arm can handle, either because he's just throwing harder than his body is built for or because of a mechanics issue, and the injury is just showing up at the next weakest place now that his UCL is a ligament. (That's not even from Dr. Google, so take it with a salt mine).

Not sure this is relevant because it's specifically for major leaguers, but Dr. Google also says that a second TJ surgery is usually around 5 years after the first if it is required. Not sure when his TJ surgery was, but presumably it was not 5 years ago and forearm pain now isn't a great sign.

Seems like he was lighting it up in his last start hitting some of his best velo numbers of the season....think I remember that....it's been a while and I've slept since then.

 

[Perd Hapley]

That is not true in the least, if they are honest about what the MRI showed. The UCL was pristine.

Strained forearm does NOT take that long. Nate Dohm's was worse, and he came back in-season

“Pristine” is not a medical grade. There is no way BOC is going to say in a press conference, “Yeah, he’s got a lot of UCL inflammation, maybe a partial tear, but he might be able to fight through it later in the season”. He’s going to present vague optimism without outright lying, if he can.

FYI, Google lists 4-8 weeks rest as a possible non-surgical recovery for a Grade 2 UCL strain, or a partial UCL tear. Shocker - the high end of that is what his timeline has been. It’s generally not a very high % success for high velocity pitchers though. The tear will heal with scar tissue that is not as strong as the original tissue, leading to higher chance of repeat injury. That’s why many folks just go ahead and opt for surgery if there’s a high % chance they’ll need it anyway.

Once the inflammation or partial tear happens, it’s strictly a pain management thing. You generally can’t ever fully heal it by rest, if you are a starting pitcher. It’s going to require surgery a lot more often than it doesn’t. After going through this whole thing with JT Ginn in 2019 and Pico in 2024, figured folks would know what was up by now.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

“Pristine” is not a medical grade. There is no way BOC is going to say in a press conference, “Yeah, he’s got a lot of UCL inflammation, maybe a partial tear, but he might be able to fight through it later in the season”. He’s going to present vague optimism without outright lying, if he can.

FYI, Google lists 4-8 weeks rest as a possible non-surgical recovery for a Grade 2 UCL strain, or a partial UCL tear. Shocker - the high end of that is what his timeline has been. It’s generally not a very high % success for high velocity pitchers though. The tear will heal with scar tissue that is not as strong as the original tissue, leading to higher chance of repeat injury. That’s why many folks just go ahead and opt for surgery if there’s a high % chance they’ll need it anyway.

Once the inflammation or partial tear happens, it’s strictly a pain management thing. You generally can’t ever fully heal it by rest, if you are a starting pitcher. It’s going to require surgery a lot more often than it doesn’t. After going through this whole thing with JT Ginn in 2019 and Pico in 2024, figured folks would know what was up by now.

What you're missing is that @johnson86-1 is correct. That is what is happening, it's pretty clear. Is a forearm strain related to UCL injuries? Absolutely. We all know his throwing motion is putting undue strain on his arm. Duh. But the guy is less than 3 years out from his first TJ. Rest and therapy can probably at least get him through next year and the draft.

 

[Curby]

“Pristine” is not a medical grade. There is no way BOC is going to say in a press conference, “Yeah, he’s got a lot of UCL inflammation, maybe a partial tear, but he might be able to fight through it later in the season”. He’s going to present vague optimism without outright lying, if he can.

FYI, Google lists 4-8 weeks rest as a possible non-surgical recovery for a Grade 2 UCL strain, or a partial UCL tear. Shocker - the high end of that is what his timeline has been. It’s generally not a very high % success for high velocity pitchers though. The tear will heal with scar tissue that is not as strong as the original tissue, leading to higher chance of repeat injury. That’s why many folks just go ahead and opt for surgery if there’s a high % chance they’ll need it anyway.

Once the inflammation or partial tear happens, it’s strictly a pain management thing. You generally can’t ever fully heal it by rest, if you are a starting pitcher. It’s going to require surgery a lot more often than it doesn’t. After going through this whole thing with JT Ginn in 2019 and Pico in 2024, figured folks would know what was up by now.

“Pristine” is not a medical grade. There is no way BOC is going to say in a press conference, “Yeah, he’s got a lot of UCL inflammation, maybe a partial tear, but he might be able to fight through it later in the season”. He’s going to present vague optimism without outright lying, if he can.

FYI, Google lists 4-8 weeks rest as a possible non-surgical recovery for a Grade 2 UCL strain, or a partial UCL tear. Shocker - the high end of that is what his timeline has been. It’s generally not a very high % success for high velocity pitchers though. The tear will heal with scar tissue that is not as strong as the original tissue, leading to higher chance of repeat injury. That’s why many folks just go ahead and opt for surgery if there’s a high % chance they’ll need it anyway.

Once the inflammation or partial tear happens, it’s strictly a pain management thing. You generally can’t ever fully heal it by rest, if you are a starting pitcher. It’s going to require surgery a lot more often than it doesn’t. After going through this whole thing with JT Ginn in 2019 and Pico in 2024, figured folks would know what was up by now.

so you are on record that it's a UCL injury and NOT a forearm strain
and that we are being lied to.

We'll see

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

RM has become friends with my son this year during his rehab......he told my son that he felt his arm tense up prior to the game in which made it to the 4th inning.....he said the doctor told him not to pitch for 8 weeks, but said he would start throwing in 2, and he felt fine....this was during the UM series....that is directly from his own mouth....FWIW

 

[DawgatAuburn]

RM has become friends with my son this year during his rehab......he told my son that he felt his arm tense up prior to the game in which made it to the 4th inning.....he said the doctor told him not to pitch for 8 weeks, but said he would start throwing in 2, and he felt fine....this was during the UM series....that is directly from his own mouth....FWIW

Did he perchance tell him this at the Cheetah?

 

[17itdawg]

Don't know if anybody else checks the availability reports on the SEC website, but McPherson isn't listed on the initial report. Only Teel is listed as questionable. McPherson had been listed as out for all previous SEC series.

Edit: Just saw the other thread. I hadn't scrolled down far enough to find it!