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I went back and reread your lengthy posts and after serious reflection and really looking at what you have posted that you are so correct and I have been wrong throughout this thread. I appreciate your patience with me……..


Thank the stars that today is now April 2nd. The post above made me chuckle. This morning I started to type a lengthy Joes Place/Eyes of the Hawk/Iowa Law worthy response to the OL attrition issue was just about to summarize it and my phone had an issue. Probably good because it would have garnered the TLDR response. So a short synopsis

BF created a culture that people didn't want to play in. He took 20 years of brand good will and people just didn't want to play there. It manifested itself in the OL. People quit, didn't want to continue the grind and then people didn't want to come to Iowa.
The proof as others have pointed out. The coaching fraternity is small, people know each other. If BF had been just a 'victim of circumstances' as you contend. Things out of his control then he would have been hired around the same level as he left. He wasn't and still hasn't, he had already cashed his relationship card in with the Patriots.
He wasn't a good OC, the attrition happened under his watch and the culture that he created, the results were historically bad. He was fired. He has not resurfaced at a similar level.
This is the opposite of specifics. This is complete conjecture. Try again.

And I'm not accusing you of anything, but I question your story about the phone.

Guess it doesn't matter, as what matters is that you've declined on a few occasions to show the specifics of how the attrition to the o-line was BF's fault.

You potentially made up a story about having specifics and then, AGAIN, repeated the same stuff you'd already said.

Again, try again
 
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I went back and reread your lengthy posts and after serious reflection and really looking at what you have posted that you are so correct and I have been wrong throughout this thread. I appreciate your patience with me……..


Thank the stars that today is now April 2nd. The post above made me chuckle. This morning I started to type a lengthy Joes Place/Eyes of the Hawk/Iowa Law worthy response to the OL attrition issue was just about to summarize it and my phone had an issue. Probably good because it would have garnered the TLDR response. So a short synopsis

BF created a culture that people didn't want to play in. He took 20 years of brand good will and people just didn't want to play there. It manifested itself in the OL. People quit, didn't want to continue the grind and then people didn't want to come to Iowa.
The proof as others have pointed out. The coaching fraternity is small, people know each other. If BF had been just a 'victim of circumstances' as you contend. Things out of his control then he would have been hired around the same level as he left. He wasn't and still hasn't, he had already cashed his relationship card in with the Patriots.
He wasn't a good OC, the attrition happened under his watch and the culture that he created, the results were historically bad. He was fired. He has not resurfaced at a similar level.
BF "created a culture"? No. The only culture that exists at Iowa is "Iowa", and "KF".

So, if these "people (that) didn't want to come to Iowa" actually existed, at what point did a lack of recruiting ever impact Iowa's O-line? The group of 8 players once projected to be rotational lineman in '22 overall were plenty talented. And if they weren't, it didn't impact the line, as they were gone. The group of guys that stepped in also had enough talent, it was just (primarily) physically underdeveloped. Most of those guys have ended up on NFL rosters and many made up a Joe Moore winning line.

And again, if there were a muti-year problem with recruiting, that would fall on KF. Thus, some of the mischaracterization.

Even as you've suggested, it doesn't add up. "People quiting" and "giving up the grind" of some years, I would assume. So, if those people quit towards the end of BF's tenure, then he wouldn’t be expected to replace them with true freshman anyway.

Stop blatantly making things up and accept the facts. As a matter of fact, when I next get time, I will break down the specifics of the attrition for you, and put an end to this. You have gotten me to repeat myself when I said I wouldn't. I'll give you that.

I've never said BF was a "victim of circumstance". He is a victim of mischaracterization. The circumstances were nothing victim worthy. He was an OC at Iowa during KF's winningest stretch at the school.

I've never said BF was a good OC.

Again, the main contributer to the two seasons of historically bad offense had almost nothing to do with BF. Thus the level of mischaracterization.

My point has never been about what kind of OC BF was. My point is that he has been wildly mischaracterized. And that's part of my overall point that there are certain ways fans should and shouldn't act to be of most support to their team. There's a reason why inside locker rooms teams will say, "they're either with us, or their against us". And it's not related to percentage of fans in those categories.

Again, had it not been for a confluence of bad luck factors that led to the condition of the '22 o-line, BF would have never been characterized with the level of negativity, volume, and intensity that he was in '22, '23, and since. This is undeniable.

And again, that's been poor behavior from fans
 
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BF "created a culture"? No. The only culture that exists at Iowa is "Iowa", and "KF".

So, if these "people (that) didn't want to come to Iowa" actually existed, at what point did a lack of recruiting ever impact Iowa's O-line? The group of 8 players once projected to be rotational lineman in '22 overall were plenty talented. And if they weren't, it didn't impact the line, as they were gone. The group of guys that stepped in also had enough talent, it was just (primarily) physically underdeveloped. Most of those guys have ended up on NFL rosters and many made up a Joe Moore winning line.

And again, if there were a muti-year problem with recruiting, that would fall on KF. Thus, some of the mischaracterization.

Even as you've suggested, it doesn't add up. "People quiting" and "giving up the grind" of some years, I would assume. So, if those people quit towards the end of BF's tenure, then he wouldn’t be expected to replace them with true freshman anyway.

Stop blatantly making things up and accept the facts. As a matter of fact, when I next get time, I will break down the specifics of the attrition for you, and put an end to this. You have gotten me to repeat myself when I said I wouldn't. I'll give you that.

I've never said BF was a "victim of circumstance". He is a victim of mischaracterization. The circumstances were nothing victim worthy. He was an OC at Iowa during KF's winningest stretch at the school.

I've never said BF was a good OC.

Again, the main contributer to the two seasons of historically bad offense had almost nothing to do with BF. Thus the level of mischaracterization.

My point has never been about what kind of OC BF was. My point is that he has been wildly mischaracterized. And that's part of my overall point that there are certain ways fans should and shouldn't act to be of most support to their team. There's a reason why inside locker rooms teams will say, "they're either with us, or their against us". And it's not related to percentage of fans in those categories.

Again, had it not been for a confluence of bad luck factors that led to the condition of the '22 o-line, BF would have never been characterized with the level of negativity, volume, and intensity that he was in '22, '23, and since. This is undeniable.

And again, that's been poor behavior from fans
He is a victim of a historically bad offense that occurred while he was responsible
He was fired

One of us has those facts, actually can't be debated facts. Why it got there ultimately is not even really material. He was responsible for a unit. That unit underperformed. It was his responsibility. He paid the price. There was no mischaracterization of that offense, it was horrible. He got fired. The fans didn't get him fired, his results got him fired.
Why hasn't he been mentioned for other high profile jobs? Because people in the know are aware that it wasn't just some fluke that the offense was historically bad.
 

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I went back and reread your lengthy posts and after serious reflection and really looking at what you have posted that you are so correct and I have been wrong throughout this thread. I appreciate your patience with me……..


Thank the stars that today is now April 2nd. The post above made me chuckle. This morning I started to type a lengthy Joes Place/Eyes of the Hawk/Iowa Law worthy response to the OL attrition issue was just about to summarize it and my phone had an issue. Probably good because it would have garnered the TLDR response. So a short synopsis

BF created a culture that people didn't want to play in. He took 20 years of brand good will and people just didn't want to play there. It manifested itself in the OL. People quit, didn't want to continue the grind and then people didn't want to come to Iowa.
The proof as others have pointed out. The coaching fraternity is small, people know each other. If BF had been just a 'victim of circumstances' as you contend. Things out of his control then he would have been hired around the same level as he left. He wasn't and still hasn't, he had already cashed his relationship card in with the Patriots.
He wasn't a good OC, the attrition happened under his watch and the culture that he created, the results were historically bad. He was fired. He has not resurfaced at a similar level.
The specifics of what could be argued to be eight o-lineman, that were at some point projected to be rotational players in the '22 line, and didn't play a single snap in that season:

Linderbaum- early departure to NFL after '21/'22 season. Yes, you want to be in a place, as a program, where you are losing players to the draft early. But Iowa's never had a surplus of talent to just reload. So in conjunction with other players lost, it had real impact. And it's timing was also a challenge. The only way to have replaced Tyler by fall, with an upperclassmen, would have been through the portal. And I've already discussed how not going to the portal in it's first year of the present NIL/portal dynamic is something that falls on KF. And discussed how to beat KF up over that, would be silly.

Britt- missed entire '22 season with injury. Was still hope in the summer that he would play that season, as I recall.

Davidkov- missed entire '22 season with injury. Also was hope in the summer that he would play, as I recall.

Ince- RIP 🙏. Retired due to injury at some point after a '21 jr season in which he gave up just 3 pressures across 338 snaps.

Jenkins- retired from the game, citing physical toll. Also may not have loved the game anymore. If there was something in the culture that attributed to that, it would have fallen directly on KF. And I think his record for culture, and recruiting high character kids that love the game, speaks for itself.

Fenske- transfered. Don't remember much the specifics. But again, if he didn't enjoy the culture at Iowa, that falls of KF, not BF. Would have been a rotational player as an upperclassmen.

Miller- had to leave the game because of injuries. Later began a comeback effort with Nebraska. Would have been a rotational player as an upperclassmen. I had mistakenly remembered him to have transferred, citing the loss of Doyle. Turns out he had already left the game before Doyle's firing.

Alt- it's well-known that Iowa had him wrapped up. His father played at Iowa. There was plenty of intel on the matter. It's also well known that he switched to Notre Dame because Doyle was gone. Although he was never on the team, he was certainly projected to be a starter in '22. He committed to ND just before his senior season in '20. So, unless to acquire a transfer, at a time before the present NIL/portal existed, Iowa had to respond by using that fall to recruit another lineman. I don't know for sure who that ended up being. But certainly, it didn't end up being someone who, most likely as a redshirt fr in '22, was anywhere near the level Alt would have been in '22. So, in conjunction with everything else, it's worth noting.

Even if, for example, I were to be unaware that Fenske transferred, citing BF. Or even if you're able to show how the loss of a player can be attributed to BF of KF, it's the totality of the attrition that can't rightfully be attributed to anyone. Each loss accentuated the situation, as it's timing came within a critical time period that included other losses.

So, the attrition that led to physically underdeveloped replacements can't rightfully be attributed to anyone.

Just as the factors that led to the severity of physical underdevelopment can't be rightfully attributed to anyone.

I suppose you can attribut the strategy of recruiting undersized lineman to KF. But you can't blame him for not using a long successful strategy for the purpose of the ability to respond to an amount of attrition that couldn't be foreseen.

You can't blame KF for the timing of Covid to have an impact on the '22 line, as it further stunted the physical development of already underdeveloped players, that would end up forced into action before they were ready.

Even if one wants to fully blame KF for the loss of Doyle, fans have made the narratives into much more than that.

But one still can't blame KF for the timing of the loss of Doyle, which furher compounded the severity of physical underdevelopment of the line that was forced into action in '22.

Stuff happens, man. Some tough timing and luck will even hit the most consistent of coaches over a span of decades. Clear the hatred from your heart.

KF dealt with it incredibly well, and still takes ******** negativity for it. And he should have had an overflow of equity with the fans, and never been given a hard time in the first place.

But that's what dumbass fans do. They complained about unentertaining offenses, before it stalled out, that were ranked in the 40's and 50's. They went nuclear when the offense stalled out. And they've lessened their negativity as the offense has improved, but wins have gone down.

Again, the highest the level of negativity that's ever existed in the community was during the last two seasons of KF's winninest stretch at Iowa. 🤣 SMH 🤣 SMH 🤣. That really says it all. This is all about fans.

The two constants have been fan negativity and winning. Let's hope the winning continues
 
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He is a victim of a historically bad offense that occurred while he was responsible
He was fired

One of us has those facts, actually can't be debated facts. Why it got there ultimately is not even really material. He was responsible for a unit. That unit underperformed. It was his responsibility. He paid the price. There was no mischaracterization of that offense, it was horrible. He got fired. The fans didn't get him fired, his results got him fired.
Why hasn't he been mentioned for other high profile jobs? Because people in the know are aware that it wasn't just some fluke that the offense was historically bad.
Nevermind. There will be no more time wasted with you. You continue to repeat the same stuff I've already rebutted.

You continue to need to read better and understand distinctions that have been made.

A historically bad offense on a winning team is not victim worthy.

I never said there was a mischaracterization of the broken offenses. No doubt they were horrible.

I never said the fans got BF fired. We've been over that.

Nobody was more in the know about what was going on with his football team than KF.

I'm not saying a change at OC wasn't a good thing for the program. Im saying, according to KF (the most informed expert of the situation, in football terms), BF didn't need to be fired.

Have a good day
 
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Nevermind. There will be no more time wasted with you. You continue to repeat the same stuff I've already rebutted.

You continue to need to read better and understand distinctions that have been made.

A historically bad offense on a winning team is not victim worthy.

I never said there was a mischaracterization of the broken offenses. No doubt they were horrible.

I never said the fans got BF fired. We've been over that.

Nobody was more in the know about what was going on with his football team than KF.

I'm not saying a change at OC wasn't a good thing for the program. Im saying, according to KF (the most informed expert of the situation, in football terms), BF didn't need to be fired.

Have a good day
Comrades:

Only Jehovah could prevail against ol' eyes' defense of the Ferentzi (Biff & The Capt).

The rest of us need to practice up on our booklarnin' so we can at least try to keep up.
 

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Nevermind. There will be no more time wasted with you. You continue to repeat the same stuff I've already rebutted.

You continue to need to read better and understand distinctions that have been made.

A historically bad offense on a winning team is not victim worthy.

I never said there was a mischaracterization of the broken offenses. No doubt they were horrible.

I never said the fans got BF fired. We've been over that.

Nobody was more in the know about what was going on with his football team than KF.

I'm not saying a change at OC wasn't a good thing for the program. Im saying, according to KF (the most informed expert of the situation, in football terms), BF didn't need to be fired.

Have a good day
“Im saying, according to KF (the most informed expert of the situation, in football terms), BF didn't need to be fired.”

Ah yes because no conflict of interest there…. Not like Brian had to report to the AD because of nepotism laws.
 
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The specifics of what could be argued to be eight o-lineman, that were at some point projected to be rotational players in the '22 line, and didn't play a single snap in that season:

Linderbaum- early departure to NFL after '21/'22 season. Yes, you want to be in a place, as a program, where you are losing players to the draft early. But Iowa's never had a surplus of talent to just reload. So in conjunction with other players lost, it had real impact. And it's timing was also a challenge. The only way to have replaced Tyler by fall, with an upperclassmen, would have been through the portal. And I've already discussed how not going to the portal in it's first year of the present NIL/portal dynamic is something that falls on KF. And discussed how to beat KF up over that, would be silly.

Britt- missed entire '22 season with injury. Was still hope in the summer that he would play that season, as I recall.

Davidkov- missed entire '22 season with injury. Also was hope in the summer that he would play, as I recall.

Ince- RIP 🙏. Retired due to injury at some point after a '21 jr season in which he gave up just 3 pressures across 338 snaps.

Jenkins- retired from the game, citing physical toll. Also may not have loved the game anymore. If there was something in the culture that attributed to that, it would have fallen directly on KF. And I think his record for culture, and recruiting high character kids that love the game, speaks for itself.

Fenske- transfered. Don't remember much the specifics. But again, if he didn't enjoy the culture at Iowa, that falls of KF, not BF. Would have been a rotational player as an upperclassmen.

Miller- had to leave the game because of injuries. Later began a comeback effort with Nebraska. Would have been a rotational player as an upperclassmen. I had mistakenly remembered him to have transferred, citing the loss of Doyle. Turns out he had already left the game before Doyle's firing.

Alt- it's well-known that Iowa had him wrapped up. His father played at Iowa. There was plenty of intel on the matter. It's also well known that he switched to Notre Dame because Doyle was gone. Although he was never on the team, he was certainly projected to be a starter in '22. He committed to ND just before his senior season in '20. So, unless to acquire a transfer, at a time before the present NIL/portal existed, Iowa had to respond by using that fall to recruit another lineman. I don't know for sure who that ended up being. But certainly, it didn't end up being someone who, most likely as a redshirt fr in '22, was anywhere near the level Alt would have been in '22. So, in conjunction with everything else, it's worth noting.

Even if, for example, I were to be unaware that Fenske transferred, citing BF. Or even if you're able to show how the loss of a player can be attributed to BF of KF, it's the totality of the attrition that can't rightfully be attributed to anyone. Each loss accentuated the situation, as it's timing came within a critical time period that included other losses.

So, the attrition that led to physically underdeveloped replacements can't rightfully be attributed to anyone.

Just as the factors that led to the severity of physical underdevelopment can't be rightfully attributed to anyone.

I suppose you can attribut the strategy of recruiting undersized lineman to KF. But you can't blame him for not using a long successful strategy for the purpose of the ability to respond to an amount of attrition that couldn't be foreseen.

You can't blame KF for the timing of Covid to have an impact on the '22 line, as it further stunted the physical development of already underdeveloped players, that would end up forced into action before they were ready.

Even if one wants to fully blame KF for the loss of Doyle, fans have made the narratives into much more than that.

But one still can't blame KF for the timing of the loss of Doyle, which furher compounded the severity of physical underdevelopment of the line that was forced into action in '22.

Stuff happens, man. Some tough timing and luck will even hit the most consistent of coaches over a span of decades. Clear the hatred from your heart.

KF dealt with it incredibly well, and still takes ******** negativity for it. And he should have had an overflow of equity with the fans, and never been given a hard time in the first place.

But that's what dumbass fans do. They complained about unentertaining offenses, before it stalled out, that were ranked in the 40's and 50's. They went nuclear when the offense stalled out. And they've lessened their negativity as the offense has improved, but wins have gone down.

Again, the highest the level of negativity that's ever existed in the community was during the last two seasons of KF's winninest stretch at Iowa. 🤣 SMH 🤣 SMH 🤣. That really says it all. This is all about fans.

The two constants have been fan negativity and winning. Let's hope the winning continues
People got hurt? In football? Never heard of such a thing. Next you are going to tell me that blocking, tackling, running, passing and punting happens.

person in charge
Unit is historically bad
Person in charge gets fired


Have you ever been in charge of something? Led people? Team? Business?

Look up Spencer Lee’s quote about excuses.
 
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“Im saying, according to KF (the most informed expert of the situation, in football terms), BF didn't need to be fired.”

Ah yes because no conflict of interest there…. Not like Brian had to report to the AD because of nepotism laws.
As I've already mentioned in this thread, I feel sorry for anyone who even implies that. Have some respect
 

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So forget all that water under the bridge. Whats the deal on McNutt?
I don't know, as far as McNutt.

I can say that I didn't care for some of his post-game commentary in the "broken" years.

But again, not water under the bridge to me, as my point is about fans
 
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Just a generous bump.

A lot of good information in here to help fans clear the hatred from their heart
 
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Educate. Not police.

We've been over that many times.

Again, you're welcome
Educate? Interesting theory. Telling us the OL sucked at the end for BF? Earth shattering. What’s next? Sun rising in the east? Water being wet?
I anxiously await your next lesson. After learning that people get injured playing football and that there isn’t any accountability because of it. Please enlighten us.
 

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Educate? Interesting theory. Telling us the OL sucked at the end for BF? Earth shattering. What’s next? Sun rising in the east? Water being wet?
I anxiously await your next lesson. After learning that people get injured playing football and that there isn’t any accountability because of it. Please enlighten us.
What do you think leads to mischaracterization, which no doubt, has existed?

Ignorance.

You guys are welcome that I've taken the time to present an opportunity for your hearts to be cleared of anger
 
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What do you think leads to mischaracterization, which no doubt, has existed?

Ignorance.

You guys are welcome that I've taken the time to present an opportunity for your hearts to be cleared of anger
Perhaps you should go to the national boards and let them know that people can get hurt playing football. I am sure they will appreciate learning that.
Is this injury thing a recent thing. Surely someone with your intellect can break it down for us.
Do the coaches know that people can get hurt? You should let them know as well.
 
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Perhaps you should go to the national boards and let them know that people can get hurt playing football. I am sure they will appreciate learning that.
Is this injury thing a recent thing. Surely someone with your intellect can break it down for us.
Do the coaches know that people can get hurt? You should let them know as well.
Perhaps you should re-read the thread, as my posts are clearly about mischaracterization, which you continue to present in this post.

How about the BF "predictability" narrative, that hit the roof in '22 and '23, when the staff consciously chose to become more predictable to deal with circumstances, and enhance the rebuild? No mischaracterization from fans there? 🤣
 
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Perhaps you should re-read the thread, as my posts are clearly about mischaracterization, which you continue to present in this post.

How about the BF "predictability" narrative, that hit the roof in '22 and '23, when the staff consciously chose to become more predictable to deal with circumstances, and enhance the rebuild? No mischaracterization from fans there? 🤣
That was not a very educational post. Tell us more about this injury thing. It sounds like something coaches should know about
 

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Guys. I know for a fact that ol EyesofHawk is actually Brian Ferentz. Instead of having him involved with anything to do with Fresno State’s offensive play calls they just stick him in the hallway and tell him to run some oline drills when the offensive coordinator has any strategy film or coaching sessions. Hence, why he has all the time to post such elegant prose on this message board. Keep up the good work Brian. The Big Ten Conference fan groups all really miss you (well except for Iowa)
 
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