For a the talk about his bad of a decision it EAS how come no one brings up the fact that the ball hit the recieving in the hands and he dropped it? Should have been a loss not a turnover...
Martinez's backwards pass.
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It was a backwards pass behind the line of scrimmage. In every case that’s a fumble. Should the receiver have caught it. Sure maybe. But at that point the play was completely busted, AM was out of the pocket, and the correct decision would have been to throw it past the LOS and into the third row of seats. AM knew that and for the most part said as much in the post game press conference. He learned and that will enable him to make better decisions in the future.
It was his fault 100%. Horrible decision. No reason to be throwing that ball.
He’ll learn from that ILL fated decision in the future..
He may not win it, but if he stays healthy I bet he ends up at a Heisman ceremony before he leaves.
Could be first team all B1G QB next year or just behind Shea Patterson..
In my opinion he had one of his poorer games of the year. Even so we were able to hang with Ohio St.
Yes, it was a bad decision but he is throwing at 66% completion percentage right now. School record was Joe Ganz at 67%. The fact he is only 18 and didn't play his senior year is incredible. He is and will make freshman mistakes from time to time this year but he is playing great and will only get better.
I actually agree with this statement. There was two or 3 passes that he had way too much mustard on. Chalk it up to adrenaline maybe.
As Al McGuire used to say on the college basketball broadcasts, the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.
Terrible decision to throw that ball. But it's also worth noting that on the previous play NU got whistled for yet another false start. Those penalties have a way of leading to turnovers and stalled possessions.
Terrible decision to throw that ball. But it's also worth noting that on the previous play NU got whistled for yet another false start. Those penalties have a way of leading to turnovers and stalled possessions.
This. He went full freshman on that play but that's what you get with a true freshman running triple option, which that play was. He could give, keep, or throw out wide.
Last thing to come with option game seems to be knowing when as the QB you need to eat a negative play rather than force a pitch out to a RB who doesn't have any room and cause a fumble. Can recall Husker QBs of yore making that same mistake, including one who wears a headset on the NU sidelines these days.
Martinez has FAR exceeded my expectations, especially for a true freshman. Kid has been really good and I'm very excited to see him for three more years. He's going to have his name on a lot of records when he's done.
You can tell he’s still not comfortable enough with the option at some points. That pitch to Maurice where they were both covered up was another potential bad play.
It’ll come, I’d be far more worried if he wasn’t a freshman. His good 100% outweighs his bad already.
A poorer game that got him Big Ten Freshman of the Week honors and national true freshman of the week honors from 247sports. I'll take that just about anytime. Heck, he even slightly outplayed Dwayne Haskins.
Not sure if you understood my post. He got co-Big Ten Freshman of the Week honors and National True Freshman of the Week honors this week. I'm saying if a poorer game still gets him honors like that, then I'll take a poorer game.
To be clear-I don't necessarily disagree that it was one of his poorer games, I just thought it was interesting that you say it was one of his poorer games and he still won honors for it. Just shows how incredible he has been that he can have a little bit of a down game and is still really good.
I know, If the kid isn't in line for a heisman in a year or 2 Im not sure who else would be
No question it was a bad decision, but lateral passes are made even in the pros. It should have been caught, but as others have pointed out he will learn to ease off on the speed of some of those throws as he matures. Teams are having enough trouble stopping us while he is making freshman mistakes. When those end, look out. I though the same thing about Brett Favre in year 14. Boy, when he quits making rookie mistakes he will be really good.
That’s a tough call from the 10 yard line - very congested.
None the less it should have been executed better
None the less it should have been executed better
I have notice over this year he panics when things don't do "as planned" during a play. He needs to learn to, take that sack, throw it away, or just take off and run.
He has done a lot better in that area than I would have predicted. He still shows inexperience at times, but he's usually much more heady than you'd expect for his age.
One example of his youth was his tendency to try to bounce runs out wide against Ohio State. He's got to know that he can't out-race their defenders to the corner like he was doing to Minnesota and B-C and cut upfield for 2-3 additional yards instead. In a huge game, the ability to squeeze tough yards out of every tough is vital.
I don't mind that he's not so eager to pull it down and scramble as most "running QBs" are. He keeps his eyes downfield and that will pay a lot of dividends over the course of his career. Sometimes he forgets he could throw it away and tries for too long to make a play happen. But he runs often enough to kill you if you turn your back and go chase a WR.
Did a very nice job in the zone-read game I thought, especially down near the goal line.
All things to be expected with a first year QB. He's so much further along as a freshman than most...kid is special. I was surprised when he won the job and pissed off when TG transferred, but I certainly see what they saw in Martinez now that he's been on my TV screen. He has elite upside and his floor is much higher than I would have guessed.
Very well said. I’m thinking of previous QBs we’ve had, and when I think of their worst games, there is no comparison. Tommy had some really bad games. Taylor had some really bad games.
AM is still young and will no doubt have worse games than this weekend, but his worst game is, as you say, a much higher floor.
His decision making is miles ahead of those guys already. You don't cringe when he lets go of the football like you did with those guys.
I don't know if we'll ever have a qb who could kill you instantly with his feet like freshman year Taylor. He was something special with that mesh point when he was first starting, too. Used to fake out me and the camera guy about every time on his keepers. You'd be sure the RB had the ball and BANG, he was off to the races. Was never the same after the injury and Adrian is already a better passer IMO.
Lol Yeah I was yelling at the tv. "Run straight ahead, you can't beat them to the outside" after like the 3rd time he tried and took a loss.
Yeah, it was a bad decision but that ball still should have been caught.
Drops happen. Especially when you aren't expecting it to be thrown to you. That's on Martinez
Pretty sure can o’corn agreed that it was a bad decision by Martinez.
So does that mean JD shouldn’t have caught it?
I am saying drops happen and he gets a pass. Frazier is quoted as saying he never got on his receivers for a drop. It's part of the game.
I like how sensitive you are. Can o ‘corn said it was a bad decision by Martinez. In fact, no one in this thread is disagreeing that it was a bad decision.
But because someone here has the gall to say JD should have caught it then no one is pointing the finger at Martinez.
How do you come up with this crap?
He also needs to learn to throw deep when the defense jumps offsides and gives us a free play. Bet that observation bothers you too
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying. Spielman was back there waiting for a pitch or a pass and when the ball came to him he muffed it. There was no reason for Spielman to be where he was other than to get the ball. He sure wasn't out there blocking for Martinez.
Not at all. I think it’s a very astute observation. At the same time, he’s got a know that the flag was thrown and he has a free play. That’s not always a given…
Sorry for being excited about the kid… He’s pretty good. From now on, I’ll be like you, and only post when I’m pissed off because people think he’s so good. Or i’ll only post when I wanna post something negative about the guy.
Will that make you happy? It must suck being one of the very few that has that role on this board…
I'm excited about the kid. I'll be even more excited when he cuts the mistakes to a minimum. Or I'll stop getting on him when people stop complaining about other players that show up for this program while putting him on a pedestal.
Is it really that hard for you to understand why people might be putting him on a pedestal? We haven’t seen quarterback play like this since maybe Joe Ganz … Probably earlier than that even. But yeah, bag on the 18-year-old kid because he isn’t perfect. Good on you.
One other insight I would share with you… We are 2-7 right now, but it’s not because of Martinez. He has been what gives us hope moving forward. People tend to post good things about those kinds of players and overlook some of the negatives.
He kind of belongs on that pedestal. I don't understand what your problem is with the kid. He made a bad decision which was then compounded when Spielman failed to catch a ball that he was clearly in position to receive. Spielman was the pitch man so how could he have not expected to have the ball come his way???
And for the record, there are a lot of players to be excited about. JD, Mo, some of our young offensive linemen, Mo Barry, Bootle, JoJo...
But the QB is the face of the program, and right now, 3/4 of America wish they had our QB.
But the QB is the face of the program, and right now, 3/4 of America wish they had our QB.
He also had at least 3 passes I saw that hit receivers in the hands that should have been caught. A couple of them would have been big gainers.