Martinez playing?
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Gather all of our collective thoughts to whom ever starts and will them to victory, no drinking until victory is in hand, you’ll mess up the karma!
As some have shown the numbers on Matinez aren't to far off from last year. Yet for whatever reason he doesn't look good. These similar stat show how good he would be if he got his head right. I think the snap issues and O-line play have messed with his mentality. He is second guessing things, looking slow. I noticed a few times last Sat that he is jumping for snaps even when they were good snaps. So obviously in his head he is expecting the snaps to be bad, that in turn throws his timing and rhythm off even when the snaps are good. I think the only way to "fix" Martinez is to fix the snaps. Would Vedral be able to handle the bad snaps better mentally? Not sure.
I don't disagree with most of this Beav and my comments were not directed at you and those who think like you. More directed at about three posters on here who are just crazy anti Martinez types.
However, I would take issue with the idea that Vedral has shown himself to be more decisive. How many plays have we seen him in? And it is easy to "appear" more decisive when the entire offense has been greatly simplified for you sake and you are not making 10 different reads on every play.
Was listening to a Coach Fleck interview and it sounded like they dont plan on Martinez playing but said they wont change much in preparation bc they lther two guys do alot of the same things as martinez. Dont know if he is blowing smoke or if his sources are better than ours but interesting.
Hopefully next year and his senior year he will be able to develop and improve on the numbers he put up as a freshman.
I don't get the impression from Frost's comments that the offense is simplified for Vedral, sounds like it's the opposite. Why would it be simplified for him, it's his third year with Scott and his offense. SF said the pass to Wan'dale wasn't in their game package for NW but because Vedral knows the offense so well he called it knowing he could execute it.
Yes, it's a small sample size, but you don't need a lot of plays to know whether a kid is playing hard. I don't need to elucidate again the ways in which Martinez hasn't been decisive, it's all well-documented.
And you can brand me a Vedral hater, I never wanted to see him in a game again after last year, I thought he sucked and I was ready to write him off.
I am guessing when he entered the game Saturday, the first series or two were quite safe. Get him in the flow of the game. But eventually he needed to make some plays, which he did with the pass to WanRob on the sideline.
I don’t think it was simplified, necessarily, but I doubt they did too much complicated stuff that late in the game either... the last thing we needed was a turnover late in the game.
But I am not an X’s and O’s kind of guy, so don’t hold me to that.
Wrt Vedral and the NW game, Frost's big concern was a turnover. He said that he was thinking that the team that turned it over would lose the game. So I suspect he would have been erring on the side of safe when it came to play calls even if Adrian had not gone out. Vedral came in, the D got a pic, then Noah and WanRob made a play and McCallum knuckled one of the crossbar.
I think this is less an issue of whether Noah or Adrian plays and more an issue of how well Mo, Mills and the Oline play (especially the latter).
I think this is less an issue of whether Noah or Adrian plays and more an issue of how well Mo, Mills and the Oline play (especially the latter).
I just think he is more gutty in attacking downfield from what I've seen in his career and making something out of nothing.
Adrian was like that last year, but clearly something is off. I think Vedral presents a chance to win going away, imho.
It's not his first game action this year. He was in late in another game and looked really crisp driving for a TD.
Again, nobody is trying to hand Noah Vedral the keys to the future of Nebraska football or calculate his Heisman odds. People are saying that RIGHT NOW he has looked more comfortable and confident than Adrian has. Which makes the case for why you think about starting him this week if Adrian is still nursing injuries and not looking decisive.
Then you get a bye week for everyone to heal up and address the issues and come back ready to rock with your usual starters.
If you don't believe the kid is playing well it's not our job to beat you over the head with that fact. It's your job to demonstrate why it's not true.
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Thanks Timsun. This is exactly what I should have said.I am guessing when he entered the game Saturday, the first series or two were quite safe. Get him in the flow of the game. But eventually he needed to make some plays, which he did with the pass to WanRob on the sideline.
I don’t think it was simplified, necessarily, but I doubt they did too much complicated stuff that late in the game either... the last thing we needed was a turnover late in the game.
But I am not an X’s and O’s kind of guy, so don’t hold me to that.
I think it is not so much people are guaranteeing Vedral will play that much better, more so knowing Martinez has consistently looked off. New QB means new potential to be good, or bad. Won't know until it happens.
Good additions haha, still just not enough sample size for me to have any conclusions about Vedral being an improvement over Martinez. Hoping he kills it if he plays of course!
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Yeah I dunno why Adrian's mojo has been off. Just wanna see the kid go out there and ball like we know he can.
If Martinez is healthy and on his game, there is no dispute about him starting. But, his mental toughness in game and physical ability as of right now are in question. If he isn't close to 100% and his mind isn't right, he shouldn't be playing when we have more than capable backups.
Not sure about everyone. I think some have the mindset he is the guy no matter what until he graduates. Obviously none of us are in practice every day. Even as iffy as he has looked he very well could still look better overall than any other QB we have. My fear is sometimes it seems coaches, especially "players coaches" get stuck in this tunnel vision/ friendship zone with certain players and stick with them no matter what.
It's good to know that Martinez's injury apparently is not serious, but unless he's very close to 100% I would rather not see him play. This offense has so many problems right now that trying to compensate for a hobbled QB seems like a really terrible idea. I would rather see Vedral or even McCaffrey if Martinez isn't full speed.
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What I’ve seen on here is that if AM isn’t healthy and Frost goes with Vedral, no one will complain. That’s what I was referring to. If he isn’t close to 100%, he sits for Vedral. I haven’t seen anyone dispute that. But I haven’t seen everything on this board either.
I'm counting NW win last week for Noah.
Adrian Martinez Career Stats
7-9
Noah Vedral Career Stats
8-0
In fact, Noah has never played in a game which was lost.
Adrian Martinez Career Stats
7-9
Noah Vedral Career Stats
8-0
In fact, Noah has never played in a game which was lost.
Gather all of our collective thoughts to whom ever starts and will them to victory, no drinking until victory is in hand, you’ll mess up the karma!
Your asking me to remain sober while at my favorite HUSKER tavern while buddies are ordering round after round of barley. No, I will not make nor keep that wish, Karma be damned!
What impressed me against nw, vedral hit the hole hard, threw it away when he had to rather than force and get intercepted, AND didn't take a 10 yard loss instead of throwing it away. How he handled the VERY high snap showed composure. All that coming off the bench. He was prepared and ready to play.
Yeah that impressed me too. But I would hasten to point out that AMart has dealt with high snaps all year and done so with composure. And he too has had to throw the ball away and done so with composure. And he has done far, far more times than Vedral.
AMart is a better QB than Vedral. Not saying you disagree, just getting that out there
My concern is
#1- Although his stats are a little better this year, I expected them to be much better in year 2.
#2- On numerous times when he has had nothing but pasture in front of him to get the first down, he hesitated and the opportunity went away.
#3- Not seeing wide open receivers.
The last two are what has the stadium groaning on game day and getting uneasy in my opinion. Hard to see on TV alot when they don't show all 22 players.
Who has the most upside potential? AM by far. But right now I feel there's something that just isn't right or working. Yes I get we don't have Devine and Stanley. Thank goodness the defense has gotten better this year. But it's not a cardinal sin to go to the well and next man up. Especially if there's an injury problem and a bye week. That should get him healed up for the rest of the season rather than running the risk of it becoming a cronic nagging thing that never heals
I think everyone's 'concerns' stem from #1 in your list. People expected a runaway, Cam Newton-esque heisman winner. Is that on AM?
You said it yourself, his stats are better. He's, statistically, growing despite the most inconsistent shotgun snaps in the country, a litany of 5'9" receivers, a turnstile at RT and a #1 RB who can't stay on the field more than a few plays at a time.
Don't blame Martinez for not living up to your expectations, people.
It's like being upset at board posters for not living up to your fanhood expectations.
Frost always preaches next man up and nobody is safe from competition. I don't think that means Martinez. Martinez is his guy from here until graduation I believe. Injury is the only thing that will sideline him.
Great info on his statistical similarities..but despite all issues I believe we are a better team with better understanding of the system. I am watching him with my own two eyes leave points/yards on the field. I believe he was believing the heisman hype and trying to "prove a point" like he is a pocket passer.
Respectfully disagree. You May be right, but I think it’s too early to make this determination, especially with the QBs we have in the QB room. Everyone (except Nikki) seems to agree Vedral’s ceiling is lower, and so to change QBs means Martinez needs to be struggling a lot more than he is now, or Vedral has to impress much more than he is now. Frost won’t just hand it over to Vedral... he’s gonna have to prove it long term...
I think you believed the hype and are now seeing everything he does with your own two eyes through butt hurt brown shaded lenses.