Derek Carr was drafted in the 2nd round. Every team in the NFL had a chance to draft him.
Marsette Decommit
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Derek Carr was drafted in the 2nd round. Every team in the NFL had a chance to draft him.
That's true. But my point was if lower teams got to pick recruits before Alabama, college football would be a little more even. Alabama just replaces 5***** with more 5 stars.
And the Patriots are headed to their 7th Super Bowl with Brady and Belichick. Here is Alabama's record from 2000 to 2007:
2000: 3-8
2001: 7-5
2002: 10-3
2003: 4-9
2004: 6-6
2005: 10-2
2006: 6-7
2007: 7-6
Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Iowa have proven you can win in the B1G with a roster made up primarily with 3*'s and some 4*'s. At the end of the day you need a good coach and a good quarterback to win.
Sure you can always find exceptions. The Browns have also had their share of bad luck. How many QB busts have they had the last 10-15 years ? Quinn, Manziel, Weeden, and Couch. All 1st rounders, all busts relative to where they were picked. Meanwhile NE always picks near the bottom yet they're always in the playoffs. Not a system that guarantees success but at least it give the teams that finish at the bottom a crack at the best talent before the better teams get to pick.
The NFL is completely different. Everyone is a high caliber player. Coaching and superstars make the difference. Anyone can beat anyone in the NFL any given day. If we played Michigan 100 times, we'd lose 100 times. The talent level is just insanely different. Janarion Grant is our best player but Michigan and Ohio State have a whole team of him.
I don't disagree with your criticism of his individual conduct, but when you start dragging his parents and their child-rearing into the argument, I think you're headed off the reservation.
And, to quote Chuck Palahniuk: "That's just my bullsh*t opinion."
Not harsh at all. It's an expression that says I won't waste time fretting over the loss . I could care less about him now that he had moved on. Like an old girlfriend that cheats on someone move on don't hang on.
Really a man who never held a public office just was elected POTUS by tweeting
The problem I have with Marsette's decommitt is that Rutgers mentored him and helped him get qualified. This is where I draw the line when I say that a kid has the right to make his choice. Without Rutgers, this kid may not even be qualified to go to school anywhere this year.
I find that more of a reflection of his support staff than on the player. The kid is always going to want to play with the shiny toy. His parents and coaches should be advising him on character and commitment.
I don't like that he decommitted via Twitter (I really hope he called the coaches and told them) but from what I've read Rutgers was recruiting him as a DB and Iowa offered him as a WR. If the kid would rather play offense in college and that wasn't an option at Rutgers then I don't have a problem with him switching to Iowa.
But Iowa isn't being completely truthful. They are saying what it takes to get Marsette's commitment. Iowa has 3 receivers committed already and expect another from the top (4 star) local kid any day. Bottom line they didn't think much of Marsette the first time around last year because of grades and they still don't seem sure about it now.
I think kids like Marsette receive advice from people who are trying to live his or her fantasy through them, but don't really know the entire process of recruiting. Rutgers has stuck with Marsette when things didn't look great. Can't say the same for Iowa and I wished he kept that in mind.
and frankly may be reflective of those who put him there. He may deserve the lack of respect he is getting from a large percentage of the population. Maybe he'll change, but maybe he won't. Personally, I don't think he represents us as a country well in the way he communicates as our leader.
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Look, we are a product of how we are raised. Clearly we all make mistakes and that cannot be placed on those who raised us. However, what we do after we make a mistake can be reflective. In any event, this is society today and times have changed. We have a President many of us think is headed off the reservation, but others find perfect in every way in the way he communicates what he does (won't even touch the "alternative facts"). Times just are different and maybe this is the new norm, but I take comfort in at least having the discussion with my kids as to when I believe they may be disrespectful and what that means to them and others.
I didn't realize Iowa had that many receivers committed. It wouldn't surprise me if they were just telling the kid what he wants to hear, it happens all the time. My guess is he ends up at Minnesota. I'm sure when he's up there this weekend PJ will pull out film of Corey Davis and tell him that they make him into a NFL WR.
I agree with your point but it just a different generation now. I realize this every time I have a sit down with my son
Iowa may take 5 receivers in this class. Most feel that the 4* local kid (mentioned above), Martin will not be coming to Iowa. He is visiting Michigan this weekend. Iowa only took 1 receiver last year and just had a receiver leave the program this past week. It is a huge position of need this year. They already have 4 DB recruits committed and still going hard after Creamer (who I think is visiting Rutgers this weekend. So, I think Iowa is being 100% truthful, they want ISM as a receiver.
Can't understand every situation - and can't really know the true depth of any
- but I know that if I was a kid who had been dealt a pretty meager hand - but I had one winning card ....
- I'd play that card for all it was worth! it would be my go-to-college card, and if I felt it was necessary it would be my get-as-far-away-from-here-as-possible card (especially if I feared that some of the home atmosphere had too big a grip on me)
If I had only one winning card - I would optimize it to the max! - I'd use it to get to a whole better life.
- but I know that if I was a kid who had been dealt a pretty meager hand - but I had one winning card ....
- I'd play that card for all it was worth! it would be my go-to-college card, and if I felt it was necessary it would be my get-as-far-away-from-here-as-possible card (especially if I feared that some of the home atmosphere had too big a grip on me)
If I had only one winning card - I would optimize it to the max! - I'd use it to get to a whole better life.
kirk Ferentz went 1-10 (0-8 in the B1G) his first year at Iowa. They lost to Nebreska 42-7, Michigan State 49-3, Ohio State 41-11 and Wisconsin 41-3.
But Iowa had a name, location, state pride, and tradition to fall back on when the coach faltered, RU does not have that. We need a coach first and we dont' have that.
And why do you think Rutgers did all the because they care about helping him or helping themselves. A company can give u an opportunity but if you see an opportunity with another company what would you do?
Lol, and you're a supposed Rutgers fan? No way. Maybe you don't realize, but as ****** as we were last year, we lost to that great Iowa program by 7 points in a game that if Grant doesn't get hurt we might actually win. And we sucked last year. So yes, we RUTGERS fans would actually like him to pick Rutgers over Iowa and everyone else. Shocking, I know.
That's right "Ivy" get your facts straight before putting down our team and program. Iowa is a wasteland, you have to enjoy living in a wasteland to go there, or be raised there. It might be attractive to some eastern type kids to get away from the inner city, but I guarantee a year in and he is wondering why the heck he is in IOWA!
Personally, if I'm on the punting, or kickoff team for Rutgers, I'm licking my chops for an opportunity to get to this kid. 155 pounds, yeah bring him on!
This is a very poor analogy. A better representation of this particular recruiting case is that if a company gives your unemployed self a serious shot in a very bad economy, or hires you and pays for a pivotal degree/certification, you'd better believe that you put in a reasonable amount of time working for them (say, a year or two). If you're planning to leave a mere 3-6 months after getting hired, or immediately after completing said degree/certification, it had better be to a world-class firm (say, the Alabamas, USC's and OSU's of college football; flipping to Iowa is akin to a near-lateral move for an 1-3 grand in salary a year). In the real world there are financial repercussions, potential issues with shorts stints on your resume or being industry-blackballed if things happen to go wrong with your new company's position (or new schools athletic scholarship offer). Oh, and recommitting via Twitter (assuming that was the case) is comparable to resigning immediately from your firm by handwriting a note in crayon and leaving it on the office's front door; it strikes me as nicely impersonal, indirect and cowardly.
Marsette is ultimately free to do what he wants, but as a young adult he should be ready to accept the consequences of his actions.
He's a Rutgers fan for sure. A very long-time RUTGERS fan and, IIRC, he graduated in '95 (but I could be wrong). Put 2 and 2 together.
I doubt most of the current team have any clue about this kid or situation.
This is a perfect situation about how advertising what the rutgers players in the super bowl has done absolutely nothing for us. No bump in recruiting whatsoever. Most of them are DBs and look Watts and now Marsette (both of that position) have decomitted. Marsette soon after that made headlines. It is a joke. Fans advertise that stat to take away the pain of our actual team losing big. Only thing that matters.
What an absurd series of comments:
- SB is still 8 DAYS AWAY
- Watts de-committed 13 days ago
- Marsette is still in play
- HUGE recruiting weekend going on right now with several kids potentially FLIPPING our way and a few other potential solid gets
...maybe do a little more homework next time before posting.
Marsette is going to Iowa. The SB bump in recruiting was overhyped. The man responsible for those players is coaching at Iowa State. How many players will we have drafted this year?