I say you if the kid wants to come back you let him back. Cal didn't shove WCS out the door. But I would really like this scholarship situation to work out.
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Yes, employee. This is more akin to a business than a family, regardless of what some fans may think. It is not a family as I do not know Lee on a personal level, like I would my son or daughter. Chances are, you don't either. As fans, we are more customers than parents. No reason to try to turn this into a moral discussion. I guess that you would keep an employee because you made a promise to them to give them a job, even though it is keeping your company from making money?? It doesn't take someone from a different planet to see that college athletics is a BUSINESS.
Exactly.
While I think Bolden is a major improvement over Lee, as Cal would say...........I like my team.
I dont see a reason why we couldn't win it with Briscoe and Lee coming back.
Before Bolden was a possibility for UK (just over a month ago), did you think UK had a strong chance a title run with Lee and Briscoe returning? I am not trying to bash or call you out.
But, many thought we didn't need Bolden we were set as a contender.
Wait a minute ....so the same guy who gave us the ridiculous nonsense about pulling the plug on a dying person is now ridiculing someone else for instead analogizing it to an employment relationship?
Hate to break it to you, buddy, but his choice of analogy was far closer to reality than yours.
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I've actually argued against the notion that we don't need Bolden. We've got a lot of questions to be answered but I'd feel more confident knowing Lee wasn't getting huge minutes.
If Lee wants to come back he's got the ride. There's no question.
There you go, making common sense that flies right over the head of the nut danglers. Lee was always used as a garbage man, and get a few lob dunks, there was never, ever any plays set for him, or was he utilized in any type of offensive scheme, except for dunking, rebounding and setting screens. Yes, Lee is very limited offensively, but to say no improvement in 3 years is totally his fault is crazy.
Regardless of what Lee decides to do, his situation and Thornton's are nowhere near the same.
But WCS can do other things that Lee can't & is a better athlete. How can you even compare the 2 WCS was a top ten pick & Lee is the worst @ the combine.
Not much of a comparison if you ask me
why would you run any plays for someone that has a very limited chance of success...Lee can't score outside of 2' or a dunk & if he gets fouled he shoots 30%. Why waste a possession? On defense if his man took him outside the lane, he had to use his hands to keep up with him & draw a foul
no one ever jumps to conclusions here - all posts are rational and well thought out.Surely no one would jump to conclusions on what Lee cancelling workouts really means.
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Wow. It's just a game for you as a fan. Unless you own a business or are family to a Wildcats player this has no real affect(winning) on your life. You people wanting Lee to leave just because you think a guy who might come is a better PLAYER is quite pathetic.
Marcus Lee is 1000x the human being anyone could ever become as a player. He's a great example of not only a great student-athlete, but the kind of son any parent would want their child to become. Wishing him to leave is a sad statement. Shameful.
Marcus Lee is 1000x the human being anyone could ever become as a player. He's a great example of not only a great student-athlete, but the kind of son any parent would want their child to become. Wishing him to leave is a sad statement. Shameful.
BTW, A guy named Josh Ahler changed to UK this morning. Don't know the relevance, but we could see people change their minds the next 24 hours or so.
Like Cal said the other day. Quit worrying about scholarships ECT.
If Lee wants to come back it's not going to effect anything. It gives us leadership and not to mention a great example for our young guys. Lee does so much behind the scenes. I almost feel sorry for him the way some fans have turned on him for a freshman that has yet to play a game or show us what type of player on and off the court he is
What message does that send when a kid like Lee gets trashed by his own Fanbase because he didn't live up to expectations and they want a freshman that might not even be as good as dakari.
I could see if Lee acted like Orton or something but Lee has paid his dues on and off the court. Let's welcome him
Back and let the chips fall where they may
If Lee wants to come back it's not going to effect anything. It gives us leadership and not to mention a great example for our young guys. Lee does so much behind the scenes. I almost feel sorry for him the way some fans have turned on him for a freshman that has yet to play a game or show us what type of player on and off the court he is
What message does that send when a kid like Lee gets trashed by his own Fanbase because he didn't live up to expectations and they want a freshman that might not even be as good as dakari.
I could see if Lee acted like Orton or something but Lee has paid his dues on and off the court. Let's welcome him
Back and let the chips fall where they may
So is it sad for Lee wishing to leave UK since UK is a great school full of great staff or is it just a one way street in you're opinion? If a player does things in the best interest of their self doesn't that mean a school can do the same thing?
QUOTE="crawfords corner, post: 4577061, member: 3056"]Wow. It's just a game for you as a fan. Unless you own a business or are family to a Wildcats player this has no real affect(winning) on your life. You people wanting Lee to leave just because you think a guy who might come is a better PLAYER is quite pathetic.
Marcus Lee is 1000x the human being anyone could ever become as a player. He's a great example of not only a great student-athlete, but the kind of son any parent would want their child to become. Wishing him to leave is a sad statement. Shameful.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="crawfords corner, post: 4577061, member: 3056"]Wow. It's just a game for you as a fan. Unless you own a business or are family to a Wildcats player this has no real affect(winning) on your life. You people wanting Lee to leave just because you think a guy who might come is a better PLAYER is quite pathetic.
Marcus Lee is 1000x the human being anyone could ever become as a player. He's a great example of not only a great student-athlete, but the kind of son any parent would want their child to become. Wishing him to leave is a sad statement. Shameful.[/QUOTE]
Poythress and Lee have been some of the best representatives of UK on and off the court but they have been scrutinized and trashed more than most because of their productivity or lack there of.
Everyone wants players to stay around longer but when they do some want them out out to pasture. It blows my mind.
Everyone wants players to stay around longer but when they do some want them out out to pasture. It blows my mind.
lee was not misused last year. This notion that somehow Lee was held back because of Skal or because cal wasn't giving him enough attention is hogwash. Lee had everything last year to produce in meaningful ways. He's one of the main reasons we couldn't get anywhere. We had no one to rebound the ball. Lee is what he is. Pretending he'd come back as something else is just wishful thinking.
sorry W2R.. the game is basketball... we dont sit around and watch the national off the court public service championships and cheer. Guys can be complete jerks but we loved them all the same for how they did on the court. and you know who those players were.. on the court matters most
Lee reminds me of one nba player who is known for rebounding. I think he could be instrumental in our season next year. But if its keeping highly recruited talent away........then something needs to change. Not just lee but the whole mindset for picking a particular school.
Well when you put it that way, of course we all like Lee. And no, it's not effecting me personally, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? Very odd statement.
You must not be familiar with D1 recruiting. Being recruited over is totally acceptable and that's what Cal has been doing. Most guys in his situation have already been told hit the road and they transfer. Some of this bleeding heart stuff is just over the top jargin. No one is going to push Lee out and if we have the rides available great. Everyone come back and add bolden. But enough of the "it's his life" stuff when all anyone is doing is pontificating scenarios about a sport team.
Lee is not nor will be forced out! Whoever is saying that is stupid & knows nothing. Lee wants to leave, not because he doesn't like Cal or UK! He just wants to play some type of professional basketball.
I'm not sure why some of you morons can't figure that out. All if his close friends have moved on....he's just ready to take the next step. If he doesn't make it he's fine with that. He's close to finishing his degree.
Cal doesn't talk players into doing things that's not in their best interest.
I know a coach that begged a kid to reclassify that was not ready for the college game. He was a PG. He begged him to reclassify so he could land another recruit that wouldn't commit without the team having a PG. The kid & his fam were intrigued but reluctant. So the coach proceeded to dazzle the with how he would use the kid. The kid committed. The coach landed the recruit. BUT, did not use the kid as promised. Family was mad & the kid transferred. Wonder who?
Tell me is it unethical to recruit over a player in D1 basketball?
Or would you rather play shut down speech games because you're overly sensitive?
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Here's a novel idea - the fact that Lee has not yet announced whether he is leaving or staying means he hasn't yet made up his mind.
Those of you who think he's secretly told Cal he's gone or that his cancelling his NBA workouts means he's decided to come back are deluding yourselves.
He has until May 25 to pull his name out of the draft. When he decides for sure what he's going to do, he'll let us know pretty quickly. I'm sure he's asked 100 times a day.
Those of you who think he's secretly told Cal he's gone or that his cancelling his NBA workouts means he's decided to come back are deluding yourselves.
He has until May 25 to pull his name out of the draft. When he decides for sure what he's going to do, he'll let us know pretty quickly. I'm sure he's asked 100 times a day.
-This isn't about recruiting over. That implies he'd still be on the team. If he's gone he can't be recruited over. People like you want him gone because basically you think he's not a good basketball player or one that can help your agenda. People like you don't actually care if he represents the team well. You just care about how winning makes you feel so you can have the upper hand with other fans. Which in this case is a player named Marques Bolden whom some of you for some reason have deemed the most recent biggest difference maker.
Overly sensitive lmao. Nope. Just allergic asinine rhetoric. You keep wishing him to leave. As I said, it's your prerogative.
Well your first problem I've never said I wanted him gone and in this very thread I stated I'd return of it were me. So theres always that.
I was just asking a simple question. is recruiting over players unethical? And yea, some of what's happening right now is Cal recruiting better players at his positions. If we land Bolden and with Hump probably making big improvements there's no room in minutes for Lee to play significant time. Of course, assuming he still has trouble rebounding, playing defense, and scoring.
So I'm an ******* for stating the obvious because you're overly sensitive. So much so that you've even changed my position to argue from that high horse.
Someone on twitter just made kind of an interesting point about Marcus Lee cancelling his workouts. If he were planning on returning to UK, he likely wouldn't have cancelled the workouts because he could've used them to get more feedback. Why cancel something that could be really beneficial for you? Why not just go through them and then return to UK all the same?