There was article on KU’s website that his step dad had mentioned that Coach Self had to break him down and make him play how he wanted him to play and that Malik never had that kind of coaching before. I’m sure it’s the same way Cal and K have to coach their guys. We need better AAU coaches for these kids. That’s about the only way to keep the mid majors from taking over.
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I remember plenty of posters that were fine missing on Newman when he struggled at MSU. Those types of players have to fail for a year or two before you see much benefit from them. I’m so sure everybody wanting multi year players would give Cal a pass for struggling in the meantime. You can’t expect a chance every year and go after these guys.
You see only the ones who succeed too, what about the many that fail while being upperclassmen? You literally pick the f4 participants every year and claim this is what we need but the same teams aren’t here every year. Where was Kansas last year? Michigan? They had plenty of multi year players, so what happened? You cherry picked their best year is what happened. Otherwise it’s not so good and the model to emulate.
You see only the ones who succeed too, what about the many that fail while being upperclassmen? You literally pick the f4 participants every year and claim this is what we need but the same teams aren’t here every year. Where was Kansas last year? Michigan? They had plenty of multi year players, so what happened? You cherry picked their best year is what happened. Otherwise it’s not so good and the model to emulate.
This. We never would've gotten to see Matthews or Newman develop. It just simply wouldn't have happened. The "UK effect" is real.
I may be the only one, but this is why I would like to see us go to a system where: you can go play pro ball out of high school if you want, but if you don’t, you must play in college for two to three years, preferably three. I just think the college game would improve drastically. The same schools that recruit well now would still recruit well, but these kids would be more invested IMO.
Why? How is it hurting anyone by watching the best players go to college for a year? Are the UK one year freshman better than the vast majority of schools running multi year players? You should want to see elite players in college, no offense but I don’t want to see UK resemble Georgia.
Watching Anthony Davis block the whole of college basketball was entertaining. I can’t for the life of me understand how missing out on that is a good thing and that we should prefer watching a clumsy project relentlessly hack folk in the paint. Instead of watching Julius Randle double double himself to death, I should want to see a forward slowly develop into an effective post presence by his junior year. I could go on listing amazing players that I should want to never see at UK in lieu of players that need time to become effective. You don’t pass on a hot chick that may leave you for a heifer that won’t.
Not a lock, but many thought he leaned that way. Luckily Cal (and I) saw he WAS a volume scorer, not an efficient one, who needed the ball a lot. That is why he likely left Miss., but lucky for him sitting out a year and he matured. But he would have been a virus on our team as a FR (and we probably wouldn’t have gotten Murray late then.
Ehh, I don't think he's a good example. He was a top recruit who made a dumb choice in college. Had he gone to Kentucky (or Duke or Kansas) from the get go, he'd be in the NBA by now.
And this is really just his sophomore season, and his first with Kansas. Took him a bit to adjust after being off for a year.. but it didn't take long. The talent was there.
And this is really just his sophomore season, and his first with Kansas. Took him a bit to adjust after being off for a year.. but it didn't take long. The talent was there.
It's a catch 22. Many players who are "forced" to stay 2 years, would opt for an alternative. It would give a much more legitimate shot for these "pro leagues" to work to feed into the NBA instead of the NCAA. I'd say that at least half of the top 25-30 recruits wouldn't consider college, simply due to the 2-year commitment. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is especially the case for many of these guys who take the extra year to prep and are already 19 coming into college.
It might make the "college game better", ie...you see better TEAMS, because they are together for 2 years once they set foot on campus. But you will also miss out on probably a half-dozen of the top 15 players in college this year (Bagley, Young, Sexton, Ayton, Knox, etc...all would've skipped college).
It might make the "college game better", ie...you see better TEAMS, because they are together for 2 years once they set foot on campus. But you will also miss out on probably a half-dozen of the top 15 players in college this year (Bagley, Young, Sexton, Ayton, Knox, etc...all would've skipped college).
Malik is basically a JR. You don't think a JR Murray would be first team AA?
Don't know about the head to head that you saw but Murray killed Newman at the hoop summit along with everyone other US guard.
Your probably the only person on the planet that thinks Newman over Murray.
To be fair: probably the reason why many Kentucky fans do feel this way is because of the “looming cloud” of our players leaving early and feeling if the guy thinks he’s ready for the nba, he should do “something” in college.
(I know, I know: “potential”, the most poison word in the history of CBB )
"Coach, I think I might want to stay another year and work on my game".
Cal: " No you don't. You're a liar. Get out."
Both of those guys had a transfer year in there, one of them from our team. The other was recruited hard and chose to stay home and then transferred out.
Be great? Sure. Be plausible??? Not at all. Just crying over milk spilt three years ago and not for lack of trying especially considering that one of them transferred out.
How do you know they are PUSHED out ? Seems to me the players have the say so. Cal took a high school football player back that wanted to return.
I thought college was to prepare you for a better life if making millions isn't better than making 0$ then why go to college? A coach should also strive to prepare these young players to be better human beings. If you had a son playing would you want him exposed to the stuff like losevile.
I am not sure he would have gone to the NBA after his freshman year. Maybe. Maybe not. He wasn’t prepared. He is better at Kansas because he failed at Miss State. He is ready now. His play in the Tournament may have earned his way into the draft.
A box of rocks is looking at his post and laughing.
Murray is showing All-Star potential. He's an NBA starter with a 16.4 PER who just turned 21 a month ago. And his team is pretty good, so he's not just putting up empty numbers on some tanking team that's trying to lose.
Newman, who is almost the exact same age as Murray (2 days older), will be lucky to stick in the NBA. He might not even go first round, because he's exactly the type of guy that NBA teams are now very skeptical about, an undersized 2 guard with limited ability to play the point, who's going to depend almost entirely on his shooting ability to make an impact. His best bet is as a 2nd unit scoring machine, ala Lou Williams for most of his career.
Not a coincidence that another Malik slipped down to 11 last year, and Monk has a level of athletic ability that's about 2 notches above Newman.