Malik Newman is awful

Aug 24, 2012
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Sorry if discussed before, but he does nothing well. He was in foul trouble today, but his line was 0-2 with 0 points, 0 assists, and 0 rebounds with a TO. He was on the bench during crunch time the last 5-6 minutes of the game. And whenever he was in the game, his guy blew right by him to the rim. It's just mind blowing that these recruiting services could be so far off on him. I've seen Kansas play 3 times and he contributes nothing.
 

patdog

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I can understand the recruiting services missing on a player so badly. They don't know much more about evaluating talent than you or I do. What shocks me is a good coach like Self actually wanted him and gave him a scholarship after what we saw his FR season.
 

jethreauxdawg

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I'd guess Nike and Self

I can understand the recruiting services missing on a player so badly. They don't know much more about evaluating talent than you or I do. What shocks me is a good coach like Self actually wanted him and gave him a scholarship after what we saw his FR season.

Saw this an an opportunity to stick it to Addidas and Howland. Self probably figured he would be decent after redshirting and maturing for another year.

ETA: I'm and dumass. Kansas is Addidas, too.
 
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msstate7

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Nov 27, 2008
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I kinda feel sorry for the guy. Since his teen years, he has been an nba lock. Now he pretty much has no shot.
 

FreeDawg

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Oct 6, 2010
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He was the player he is today, athletically, in 8th grade. While his game never progressed, his hype and ego did and that’s not all his fault. Everybody in the world told him how great he was. Pretty ironic that Courtney Cronin made a career off his hype and he won’t (and that’s not a shot at CC).
 

paindonthurt_

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He’s a prime example of why no one especially fans should spout off abt a CANT miss. There is no such thing as a CANT miss or for sure 1 and done or for sure day 1 starter.
 

FreeDawg

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Disagree. I watched Monte and Mo in HS and they were can’t miss. Malik was never in their stratosphere. I always wondered what I was missing and had plenty of arguments about it.
 

RiverCityDawg

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He was the player he is today, athletically, in 8th grade. While his game never progressed, his hype and ego did and that’s not all his fault. Everybody in the world told him how great he was.

Funny that this is the same story for our other most highly recruited player - Renardo Sidney. Difference is Sidney didn't progress purely because of his lazy *** attitude. I don't think that's Malik's problem. Skill levels peak and it seems Malik's peaked about the time he got his driver's license.

Hopefully Perry becomes our mostly highly recruited player that actually lives up to the hype.
 

FreeDawg

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You might be right but Monte absolutely popped in HS. You could not know anything about Ball and know he was a NBA guy. Mo was elite quick and a great shooter. Everything they did looked incredibly easy for them. Malik put up big numbers but he always looked labored. Like it wasn’t smooth and natural. And he didn’t pop athletically like the other two. Think about this, if it weren’t for the 1-year rule, that guy is a top 15 pick out of HS and some NBA coach is doing the oh ***** in training camp
 

patdog

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. Think about this, if it weren’t for the 1-year rule, that guy is a top 15 pick out of HS and some NBA coach is doing the oh ***** in training camp
He’s exactly why that rule was out into place & isn’t going away. They may change it to 2 & done, but I don’t see the NBA going back to the day of throwing millions away on busts out of HS.
 

esplanade91

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He’s exactly why that rule was out into place & isn’t going away. They may change it to 2 & done, but I don’t see the NBA going back to the day of throwing millions away on busts out of HS.
They'll just continue to throw millions away to college and foreign busts.

I mean, I agree that he would have been a fringe lottery pick out of high school and been a major bust, but how is that any different than what is currently going on with non-high school players? The one and done rule needs to go away for the sake of college basketball, not helping out any NBA GM's. Anyway, kids can already sign with the NBA right out of high school, they'll just make a AAA baseball salary and live in Erie or some other horrible G-League town.
 

patdog

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Of course there will always be busts. But the higher level a player has actually played at, the lower the chance that he's a bust.
 

Seinfeld

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Yeah, and while I don’t think that recruiting rankings were quite as big a deal back then as they are now, I’m pretty sure that Austin and Gordon were both pretty highly rated, and they worked out pretty well. Not to mention the guys like Ellis, Bender, and Outlaw that never made it to campus. I’m fine with this that don’t consider them Bulldogs since they never suited up for us, but the recruiting rankings got this right
 

paindonthurt_

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There is no such thing as a cant miss. Things happen. Attitudes, injuries, peaking abilities vs next level competition.

Sure there are guys who are can’t miss from a taking or getting them stand point, but there is not guarantee anyone is going to be great.

Including Guidry, whop and Heath. Now do I think all 3 will be good? Yes, but people stating they’ll start from day one don’t know ****.
 

ababyatemydingo

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He’s a prime example of why no one especially fans should spout off abt a CANT miss. There is no such thing as a CANT miss or for sure 1 and done or for sure day 1 starter.


apparently you aren't old enough to have seen Chris Jackson play in high school. Monte either, for that matter.
 

thf24

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Funny that this is the same story for our other most highly recruited player - Renardo Sidney. Difference is Sidney didn't progress purely because of his lazy *** attitude.

I don't think you can even say he stopped progressing at any point. In flashes here and there, you could see that he was incredibly skilled in the post with an impressive arsenal of moves for a college player. He was just usually too gassed to use them and would just throw entry passes back.

Sidney might literally be the greatest waste of talent in sports history. The guy was unguardable down low when he wanted to be, shot over 40% from 3, had an incredible eye and touch for passing, and could handle the ball like a point guard at 6'10". He could have truly been the next Magic Johnson as many billed him to be. All that, and he was too lazy and unmotivated to get to the point of being able to put in even 15 quality minutes a game.
 

FlotownDawg

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I truly don’t think that Sidney loved playing basketball. He knew he was good at it and enjoyed the attention, but I don’t think he ever loved the game enough to put the work in to be great.
 

mstateglfr

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Feb 24, 2008
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I can understand the recruiting services missing on a player so badly. They don't know much more about evaluating talent than you or I do. What shocks me is a good coach like Self actually wanted him and gave him a scholarship after what we saw his FR season.

Because he also was great at the highest level against international competition. It wasnt just his HS play. It wasnt just his AAU play. Newman was legit better than others at all levels of the game.
 

Drebin

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Aug 22, 2012
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apparently you aren't old enough to have seen Chris Jackson play in high school. Monte either, for that matter.

When he was in high school, I watched Chris Jackson drag a table out onto the floor and then jump over it and dunk. Kid wasn't even a six footer at the time. The most dynamic volume scorer I have ever seen, and just a freak athlete.
 

Wizard.sixpack

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I tuned in the other day to watch Texas and Baylor to see how Kegler looked and he didn't play. I looked online and he hasnt played in the last 7 games. Is he hurt or is this another case of Newman-itis?
 

patdog

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May 28, 2007
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Doesn't he have to sit out this year on the transfer? I suspect, like Newman, when he does play, he'll be exactly the same player he was when he was at MSU.
 

johnson86-1

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Aug 22, 2012
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I tuned in the other day to watch Texas and Baylor to see how Kegler looked and he didn't play. I looked online and he hasnt played in the last 7 games. Is he hurt or is this another case of Newman-itis?

Is Kegler not sitting out this year?
 

oh yeah

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Rob Dauster on his bball podcast a couple of weeks ago wondered how we (sports writers and industry types) could have been so wrong on Malik. He said something to the effect of, we all missed on this guy.
 
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