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[johnson86-1]

I've got decades of experience with schools in the state - both public and private. As do my parents, who were both educators in the state.

Try to justify it however you want but the only reason to put a kid in private school is because you don't want them around minorities (and, no, the 1 or 2 token minorities at academies don't count). That's why those schools were founded and it's the only reason they still exist.

Of course you're right. That's why a place like Utah and Idaho have no private schools. And why a place like Delta Streets Academy exists; maybe with all your experience in education you could go help Delta Streets Academy figure out why they are failing so badly in their purpose of giving kids a place to go to private school where they won't have to be around minorities.

 

[Chris Mannix]

Is it really not clear to you that saying the schools came into existence because of racism is referencing the Brown decision? And try not to be strident and ignorant. All private schools in Mississippi weren't founded in the wake of the Brown decision.

Then maybe you are just not explaining the meeting very well?

Someone else: [something irrelevant to integrating the private school]
Wealthy donor: I say, I say, I don't want my kids going to school with [expletive]

Is there some context you are leaving out maybe?



My bad. I intended to reply to the Chris Mannix that called current parents racists in this quote:



I suspect this isn't true, but would have to see numbers. I'm guessing a lot of places you have mediocre private options and terrible public options, or bad private options and bad public options.

I think maybe you came from a particularly racist area and you don't realize what it's like in much of the state. And also maybe you don't have kids yet and lack the imagination to realize that different kids do better in different environments so based on your background, can't fathom a reason other than racism that it might be better for a child to say go to a smaller school even if its academic offerings at the high end are not as good as those of the larger, local public school.

Of course I am in favor of school choice. My kids will presumably be able to graduate high school without needing a private school, but I appreciate the fact that if the need arises, I will have the choice to send them to another alternative if that's what's best for them, and I have a hard time justifying depriving that choice from poorer parents when we are spending the money presumably for their kids anyway. I definitely couldn't drive through the delta for work and look at parents there and think, man, "you should move or be more affluent so your kids won't be stuck in such ****** schools" without thinking it's crazy that that's the system we have converged on.

Lets start from the beginning, I will give you that not ALL (as in 100%) private schools in Mississippi were founded directly because of Brown. The clear majority were and the clear majority were founded for one simple reason.

Next if you would like a full description of the meeting I am talking about then please send me a private message. I will be glad to provide the names of all board members present, the man that spoke up, and the numbers of any number of people that graduated with me who were sitting in the room at the time. The quote was said and was fully supported by about 70% of the people in the room. A few mothers talked about pulling their kids out if this decision was made to play public schools . They stopped short of saying exactly why they would be pulling their kids out, but the implication was pretty clear. I hope I am not telling you some big secret that their are racist people in south Mississippi. I am talking about the Mccomb, Brookhaven, Prentiss, and Columbia areas.

Do not realize what it is like in much of state? Yeah right, Mississippi has areas known to have no racial issues of any kind. . Are you serious? Some are worse than others, like where I am from, I will give you that.

So let me understand you are saying that a parent would send their child to a school that is lacking in academics with another school in the same area that had much better academics? Could you list some of those reasons? Other than class size. I am sorry I thought the main point of school was class? Apparently not, all I can say to any parent that would do this is I am glad I am not their child. I would also say to those parents spend those college savings accounts because with that attitude and outlook little Johnny is not going to Harvard.

School choice is a straw man. They have tried it in Jackson and it failed. Given that the Delta has very similar racial demographics and poverty rates when compared to South Jackson I would imagine that it would fail there as well. School choice kills public schools while promising parents results.

 

[johnson86-1]

Do not realize what it is like in much of state? Yeah right, Mississippi has areas known to have no racial issues of any kind. . Are you serious? Some are worse than others, like where I am from, I will give you that.

Having racial issues is not incompatible with much of the state having awful public schools. Hell, it's likely a significant cause of having awful schools throughout the state. But that doesn't mean parents send their kids to private schools because they are racist. It just means that we have a lot of areas where there are ****** public schools. I suspect a lot of parents who are racist would still send their kids to a decent public school before burning an extra $5k to $15k a year per kid. That's a lot of money to most people in Mississippi.

So let me understand you are saying that a parent would send their child to a school that is lacking in academics with another school in the same area that had much better academics? Could you list some of those reasons? Other than class size. I am sorry I thought the main point of school was class? Apparently not, all I can say to any parent that would do this is I am glad I am not their child. I would also say to those parents spend those college savings accounts because with that attitude and outlook little Johnny is not going to Harvard.

That's not what I said, although I can still easily point out some options. And the fact that they don't immediately come to mind for you is somewhat shocking. But for example, usually, public schools have better programs for people with special needs. So I knew one set of parents that sent their special needs child to a relatively ****** public school b/c it was still better than sending them to the good private school that they could afford (and did send their other child to) where they had basically nothing for him.

I know parents who had a son that was apparently awkward to the point of probably having something like SAD, and moved him from a great public school where he was miserable and struggling to a tiny school where he flourished. Also a set of parents that had a daughter doing great at the great public school.

I know a set of parents that moved their child from a good private school to one that was not as good to get them away from a particularly bad peer group (also worked out).

I know parents who have sent their boys to a private elementary school simply b/c their boys were rambunctious and were getting in trouble in public school while the private school did a lot of hands on learning.

I know of one set of parents that moved their kid just because they were bullied; good academics and happy is better for most parents than great academics and miserable, as well as usually probably more successful at educating the bullied child.

I know parents that have let their children choose which school to go to, just because they thought where the kid was happiest would be more likely to yield good results.

I know plenty of parents who send and have sent their kids to catholic schools that aren't quite as good as the public option because that's important to them.

Again, it's shocking to me that anybody would have the lack of imagination to come up with some reasons other than racism that parents might base a school choice on.

School choice is a straw man. They have tried it in Jackson and it failed. Given that the Delta has very similar racial demographics and poverty rates when compared to South Jackson I would imagine that it would fail there as well. School choice kills public schools while promising parents results.

You are making a straw man against school choice. All school choice promises is that parents won't be stuck with a ****** school just because they live in a ****** district and can't afford private school. It's not going to fix, and doesn't promise to fix, dysfunctional communities. But there are plenty of poor people that are still good parents and the ability to send their kids to an even mediocre school would be a game changer for their family.

And Jackson hasn't really tried school choice to my knowledge. They have some charter school options, which is better than nothing. But it's not like the money the state and federal government spends on children in Jackson's school district was acctually made available to them to make take with them to a school of their choosing. And I'm reasonably sure it wasn't school choice that killed Jackson public schools, unless you are referring to the choice that many parents and potential parents in jackson make to leave Jackson to go to a better nearby school district.

 

[GloryDawg]

Whatever helps the racists sleep at night...

Hell just getting to some of the schools you can get your *** shot. Once there you are probably safe. A lot of public schools are failing. Some parents have no choice but to send their kids to private schools no matter the race. No way I would enroll my kids in JPS.

 

[wpmusm]

This was posted on the MAIS bulletin board earlier today— the first schedules I’ve seen.

Some things that are different from my previous MAIS post several months ago:
Macon Road Baptist School and Rossville Christian— both from Tennessee— are in the MAIS & in Class 4A & 3A respectively.

Central Holmes is in 3A instead of 4A.

Ben’s Ford which was in 4A has decided to play 8-Man and is in 2A.

Link to pdf of schedules: Here.

PCS and Sacred Heart playing. That’s a first in football (they already play each other in every other sport).

But no Cathedral/ACCS or St Al’s/Porter’s Chapel .... even after Cathedral and St. Al’s joined the MAIS. They’ve played the past few years but only because they were in the same district. These seem like natural rivalries to me and I’ve never understood why we don’t see more Protestant/Catholic crosstown games.

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

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[LovemesomeCroom]

Wait what? I live in Jackson and am white. If you live in Jackson and are BLACK, would you send your high school kids to Provine or Murrah if you could afford private? I sure hope not.

Also, you ever think that some parents actually want their kids to learn about God in school? That was the basis of our decision. We could live in Madison county or Rankin county and go to solid public schools. We could live in Madison or Rankin and choose to send our kids to private school. We could live in Jackson and be forced to send our kids to private school for a good education.

We valued our kids being taught the Bible every day, number one. Wherever we lived, private school. We also fell in love with Jackson and the uniqueness of the neighborhoods/houses. Turned out to be a no brainer.

 

[Choctaw Dawg]

I've got decades of experience with schools in the state - both public and private. As do my parents, who were both educators in the state.

Try to justify it however you want but the only reason to put a kid in private school is because you don't want them around minorities (and, no, the 1 or 2 token minorities at academies don't count). That's why those schools were founded and it's the only reason they still exist.

This might be one of the worst takes I've ever heard. The school I went to was founded in 1979 well after most of the academies were founded in this state and is between 15-20% black. My "school" even took the name of "school" instead of academy because it didn't want that title due to it wanting to be Christian school for everybody. Hell, my graduating class had only 10 people in it and 5 of them were black. Nothing "token" about them either as none of them came from privileged backgrounds what so ever or had tuition paid for because of athletic ability. Instead, they were there, just like me, because of ****** school districts they lived in and wanted a better opportunity for themselves.

 

[OneParticularHarbor]

Makes so much more sense to play public-private than to take a 3 hour bus trip somewhere.

It's good to see Sacred Heart and PCS playing. The school's stadiums are at most half a mile apart as the crow flies just off Veteran's Blvd in Hattiesburg.

 

[G-Dawg]

Makes so much more sense to play public-private than to take a 3 hour bus trip somewhere.

That works great for the Mississippi schools, but the LHSAA won't allow their schools to play MAIS schools in Louisiana. Therefore you end up with Glenbrook being in a football district with 3 Mississippi schools (Greenville St. Joe, Greenville Christian and Porter's Chapel).

 

[57stratdawg]

I don’t think a black person has ever been allowed to attend the private school in my home town.

It was started due to desegregation and it has served its purpose for going on +/- 6 decades now.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

So let’s say you live in Tunica county. Are you sending your kids to Rosa Fort? I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Glenbrook’s location— about 30 miles from Shreveport and the only 11-man football-playing MAIS school west of Monroe (where River Oaks is located and more than 70 miles away at that)— and size hurts them.

I’m surprised that Riverfield isn’t on their schedule— it’s the second closest 11-man school to them & Rayville is less than 100 miles from Minden.

Other than that, it looks like MAIS helped them as much as they could because the Greenville schools and Porters Chapel are the closest schools their size in their class.

MAIS did a similar action with Bens Ford— the note on the front page mentioned that they arranged them to play the 8-Man schools closest to them and to be in a district in their class with the schools closest to them (Kemper, Hebron, and Columbus Christian).

 

[blacklistedbully]

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Dawgtini]

This is just frankly not true.

Most (not all) private schools in Mississippi exist because of the Brown decision, but that was 3 and 4 generations ago.

Mississippi private schools today are college prep schools, Christian schools, or operate in failing school districts. Nearly all these schools have minorities enrolled.

That’s just ignorant.

This. My kids go to a small private school because it has a Christian based curriculum and they don't just teach them to test. Additionally, the teachers have the leeway to discipline students and the majority of the parents are involved (as I am) in seeing their children get a good education. I could do that in the private schools (did with a couple), but the preponderance of government mandated intervention, and all of the SJW/PC bs that got shoved onto my kids in the public schools was just too much. I was willing to sacrifice and put them in a private school where I had some control to make sure that the world view they were taught at home was reinforced and not minimized every day when they went to school.

 

[Cat Duck]

In towns like Brookhaven, you're 100% correct. In small Delta towns though, as bad as most of those academies are, they really are a much better alternative than the public schools.

I agree. Similar to Starkville, if Brookhaven Academy would go away, the town would be better for it. Brookhaven actually has a very healthy economy.

I really wish people in Cleveland would stay in the public school, but unfortunately they will not. I understand the reasoning, I just wish there was a solution to it.

Let me reiterate a point - public schools are by no means necessary for the best education. However, in towns under 50K or so population, they can be very helpful to spearhead more growth.