What a joke. Has michigan ahead of us. Unc in easy, with one Q1 win.
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Seriously how do these algorithms favor Michigan so heavily? Is there something in the code that says if you’re Michigan count all good wins times two and reduce all bad losses by half?
Just gotta go .500 down the stretch. I think 12-8 lands us at 6th or 7th in the B1G which I can’t imagine isn’t good enough to get us into the Dance.
Someone made the point in another thread that the NET rewards mediocrity and over-punishes bad losses vs good wins
The resumes of unc vs ru proves that.
bad losses in November really shouldn’t be weighing this team down as much and these good wins aren’t getting rewarded as much as they should be.
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You both are remanded to six weeks of Bacatology boot camp. He goes to great lengths to explain this.
Love how all of you ignore the losses because it doesn't help your narratives. Michigan didn't lose to a team ranked in the 300s and their worst loss last I checked was still better than two of RUs loss in terms of that team's ranking. If RU wins it's next game against another ranked opponent then you will see another jump in the computer rankings and the bracketology.
Hopefully the committee de emphasizes computer models and relies on the human element - results and the eye test.
Unfortunately, I fear these people will rely on computer models which is a shame.
Hence why I don’t necessarily agree with this 3 games we re in theme - we need minimally 4-5 wins including Big 10 tourney to erase any doubt - and another road win.
Unfortunately, I fear these people will rely on computer models which is a shame.
Hence why I don’t necessarily agree with this 3 games we re in theme - we need minimally 4-5 wins including Big 10 tourney to erase any doubt - and another road win.
We lost to Lafayette, UMASS, Minnesota, Northwestern and DePaul. Let’s be happy we are in the discussion.
But that’s what people hate about football ranking. Too much human element. Just win baby.
Then you have no clue how they build the tournament each year. Computer models are one component but there are many things they factor in when looking at a team's resume.
The loss at home against Maryland should not be forgotten.
Northwestern Q2 by 1 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
Minnesota Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
DePaul Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
1) Lafayette Q4 loss at home by 2 very bad.
2) Illinois Q1 loss road by 35 2nd worst loss
3) Maryland Q3 loss at home by 8 3rd worst loss
4) Penn St Q2 loss road by 17 4th
5) Lehigh win Q4 home in overtime 5th, outplayed by Lehigh.
UMass loss would be sixth on the list.
Minnesota Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
DePaul Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
1) Lafayette Q4 loss at home by 2 very bad.
2) Illinois Q1 loss road by 35 2nd worst loss
3) Maryland Q3 loss at home by 8 3rd worst loss
4) Penn St Q2 loss road by 17 4th
5) Lehigh win Q4 home in overtime 5th, outplayed by Lehigh.
UMass loss would be sixth on the list.
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If we miss the tourney because of the NET and its formulas that place one 300+ loss over 5 or 6 ranked wins, then next year we should play a single cupcake game and just schedule all P5 teams and Gonzaga. All on the road. We’d start 3-7 but be ranked #10 in the NET
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Its as simple as they play a legitimate out of conference schedule. A soft ooc schedule gives you no margin for error and the risk far outweighs any reward. Our NET is crushed by a loss to lafayette and two close wins vs lehigh and merrimack. (Close wins vs **** teams hurt too). Pike is going to have to adjust this scheduling philosophy. Were better off losing to q1 opponents in 3 games than going 2-1 vs lafayette, lehigh and merrimack
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it would look kinda crappy if they take all the teams that finish above us, skip us, then then next couple beneath us.... I guess it can happen, but still crappy
Michigan’s OOC schedule isn’t much better than ours. We both played SHU and lost, and sure they lost at home to Arizona by 20. Does that make it much better? And their road wins are UNLV, Nebraska, PSU, and Indiana. Indiana is a good solid win but it’s not Wisconsin. So let’s cancel Purdue because we both beat them. It comes down to whether having no other notable wins or losses is better than 3 bad losses but 3 great wins. Oh, and we beat them head to head.
You ignore that RU also lost to a team currently ranked 170s as well. Can't schedule a s**t soft OOC schedule and lose those games. And the Lafayette loss was at home which hurts even more.
Michigan played Prairie View and Tarleton State. Everyone plays bad teams. We were obviously in a bad place at the time and blew it.
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Seton hall, arizona, san diego st, unc. Ours was SHU, clemson, depaul, umass The NET rewards you for playing good teams. It punishes you for scheduling cupcakes and punishes even more if you dont pound them by blow out margins or god forbid even lose (lafayette). I said it in another thread. We are better off going 0-3 against q1 teams OOC than even going 3-0 against the likes of lafayette, lehigh and merrimack
What is the NET ranking for Oregon?
They are 16-8, 9-4 in PAC-12.
Lost by 29 to now #6 Houston.
Lost by 32 to 19-8 BYU.
Lost by 12 to now #22 St. Mary's 20-6.
Lost by 8 to Baylor (ranked #1 at the time).
Other losses: 15-9 Colorado, 8-15 Arizonza St., 15-10 Stanford,
Yesterday lost to 11-15 Cal.
Seems like a test of ScarletDave's suggestion.
Their OOC strength of schedule has to be high.
Ours...crap.
How can we shoot 22% vs. Lafayette including 4 0f 26 from 3?
McConnell and Baker a combined 1 for 12 and 1 for 9.
Why were we taking 26 three pointers? Uggggghhh.
They are 16-8, 9-4 in PAC-12.
Lost by 29 to now #6 Houston.
Lost by 32 to 19-8 BYU.
Lost by 12 to now #22 St. Mary's 20-6.
Lost by 8 to Baylor (ranked #1 at the time).
Other losses: 15-9 Colorado, 8-15 Arizonza St., 15-10 Stanford,
Yesterday lost to 11-15 Cal.
Seems like a test of ScarletDave's suggestion.
Their OOC strength of schedule has to be high.
Ours...crap.
How can we shoot 22% vs. Lafayette including 4 0f 26 from 3?
McConnell and Baker a combined 1 for 12 and 1 for 9.
Why were we taking 26 three pointers? Uggggghhh.
I'm not a basketball expert, but I know we as Rutgers fans hang onto this narrative as the defining factor. CBSSports' Inside Basketball Show explained the early-season issues for Rutgers were an anomaly due to injury (Geo) and guys being sick. Coach Pike didn't use it as an excuse like plenty of other programs which suffered too at the same time. The panel said Rutgers play of late has wiped the slack clean with the recent run. The committee doesn't hang onto metrics only like some of you. They do include the eye test, who you beat, and how you are playing down the stretch. Rutgers checks all three of those boxes. Can Indiana say that? Can UNC say that? You guys have to look at the entire picture from a top-down view. You have to get away from looking at Rutgers from a bunker mentality view.Northwestern Q2 by 1 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
Minnesota Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
DePaul Q2 by 3 not bad, we outplayed them despite loss
1) Lafayette Q4 loss at home by 2 very bad.
2) Illinois Q1 loss road by 35 2nd worst loss
3) Maryland Q3 loss at home by 8 3rd worst loss
4) Penn St Q2 loss road by 17 4th
5) Lehigh win Q4 home in overtime 5th, outplayed by Lehigh.
UMass loss would be sixth on the list.
San Diego State is very average this year, and UNC was picked by the league (and we got Clemson). So, again, what you’re talking about is losing by 20 at home to Arizona. How is that any different than getting smoked by Illinois on the road? They apparently don’t look at conference so in actuality the road loss is better than the home loss.
Here’s my point — I agree we need to add 1 big time opponent in OOC schedule. And we were not good to start the year. But, no basketball expert in the country will tell you right now that Michigan or UNC are better team than RU.
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SHU-SHU
Arizona (#2 kenpom) - Depaul (not even top 100)
UNC (#38 kenpom) Clemson (#80 kenpom q3 game)
Sd st (#42 kenpom) umass (#181 kenpom)
you can argue all you want but the numbers speak for themselves
We are now having angst and we shouldn’t at this point. Let it play out.
Not arguing with the numbers — just that they don’t make sense. Take a look at Missouri State. 14-5 in quad 3/4, no notable wins and somehow they’re 20 spots ahead in NET?
They beat San Diego State..our best ooc win was Clemson
Michigan worst loss was Minnesota
Yes, from a pure optimal tournament resume perspective scheduling a tough OOC is better, but there are many other things you have to consider. One is team development. Pike is a guy that likes to take on a lot of projects, guys who probs aren’t ready day one. If we blew those bad teams out, guys like Palm, Reiber and Jones would’ve had much more time to get prepared for possible B1G minutes and grow some confidence. Secondly, it could keep team morale high. Imagine if we scheduled a tough OOC and played some of the top teams in the country and played how we did early in the season. Cant imagine the locker room being too good after being smacked around multiple times. Again, don’t really agree that the schedule should be this soft, I’d argue we at the very least should replace the Lafayette and Rider games with a neutral site tourney against some legitimate competition. But even with our terrible OOC performance, we still have a ton of chances to pick up great wins due to our conference.
Here’s an idea. Let’s just win the B1G and screw the NET ranking.
Are you talking about the computers right now, or the ones at the end of the year when we have 20 wins?
The computers at the end are all that matter
Yes we lost to all 5 of those teams on either a buzzer beater or in the last possession . But Northwestern , Depaul and Minnesota are not bad losses in this NET lousy system as NW is 62 and Minnesota is 96 and DePaul 101 ( who just beat ranked Xavier and lost in OT to Providence # 1 in Big East yesterday ) . Compare to beating Purdue , Michigan State , Wisconsin and Ohio State and Iowa , all top 25 in the NET as well as 4 ranked teams. If you do not think we should be in the discussion maybe you should go root for another team
After we beat Michigan again, they will still have higher net. Doesn’t make sense.