Luke
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No, this was his 4th game I believe, so he is good to go for 4 more years.
Wishful thinking he will start. Martinez is Frost’s boy. And he is stubborn.
Also, we also saw the lack of development take play with Martinez. I don’t see any reason to believe that McCaffrey will be developed.
Also, we also saw the lack of development take play with Martinez. I don’t see any reason to believe that McCaffrey will be developed.
Maybe not making a bowl is a silver lining.
The way we have managed **** this season, if we made the dirtcity.com bowl, we would have managed to find a way to play him for one play and burn a year of eligibility.
In fact, I virtually guarantee it.
Something like the last play of the game running out the clock. When asked about it after the game, the staff would have said "he was the next man up. What do you mean it was his fifth game?"
The way we have managed **** this season, if we made the dirtcity.com bowl, we would have managed to find a way to play him for one play and burn a year of eligibility.
In fact, I virtually guarantee it.
Something like the last play of the game running out the clock. When asked about it after the game, the staff would have said "he was the next man up. What do you mean it was his fifth game?"
I expect Martinez to come back thinner, healthier, and with some improved mechanics come next year. This was the typical sophomore slump...he had A LOT of people in his ear...he needs to be a great leader, he needs to put on weight, he needs to stay in the pocket to play in the NFL, he needs to do everything for us to win, but the reality was he lost offensive leaders in 3 units due to graduation, and being 19 was not ready to bear the full brunt of leading a resistant team...remember 3 offensive player are gone due to crimes or mental health...he had to deal with a freshman at center, no reliable rb, and only one decent wr. He was either forced to put on too much weight, the wrong type of weight, or has gained weight due to injury throughout the fall...his shoulder flexibility is very poor right now, either due to lifting or injury or both. Its almost like Frost took a talented dual threat qb and tried to turn him into himself...or coach V did...the experiment failed and humility will mean we see a different qb next fall, either due to transfer or transformation.
Martinez is a great QB but not in the system Frost is running. If AM was running the Osborne option offense he’d be a heisman candidate. Frost needs to utilize his strengths and not try to overcome his weeknesses.
Hopefully it is a true QB competition in Spring and Fall. Martinez, with two losing records as starting QB, is unacceptable.
I suppose just like Adrian did about a 180 this year in terms of his effectiveness and output, he could look like he did last year again—every thing is possible. Having said that, I would be extremely surprised to see a much better player than what we saw this season going forward. He should improve some but the guy behind him has already proven to me to be the one the driving the bus next season.
Yeah. Martinez would be terrible in TO’s system. He doesn’t run hard or tough. Guys like Frost and Crouch would hit those holes hard and make 1Cut and go. Adrian dances sideways and goes nowhere. It’s just who he is. I think he can still be good because last year he had it. You just don’t lose it that fast.
I don't have much hope for that. There were rumors that the Gebbia Martinez competition was a sham too and that a good chunk of the team wanted Gebbia.
Are you drinking or joking? AM has no sense at all in the option. He literally looks like a deer in the headlights. He doesn't have the running skills for it. He doesn't have pitch sense. He doesn't read defenses. He doesn't run with authority. He is in the perfect offense for his skills. He just doesn't have it this year for whatever reason.
It's pretty obvious he isnt 100 percent. But you can either do it or you cant. If not, next guy up.
To anyone watching, Martinez lacks the speed and quickness of last year. He must come back next year 10-15 lbs lighter to regain his ability to scramble. Watch the Iowa game last year to see the difference. Duval has the work to do with him once healed up.
We'll never know, but things did look pretty good with Marty last year. Coaching has failed him this year and made him a terrible QB
There wasnt a true qb competition between Martinez and Gebbia either if we're being honest.
Same coaches who made him look good last year and who have made luke look good. He's clearly hurt, has missed stan terribly, and is definitely lacking confidence in his passing game. He could easily have a big year next year or never be heard from. Time will tell.
When did the brace first make an appearance? Was that only after his midseason injury?
The guy behind him hasn't proven anything...he came in and ran a gimmick play which happened to work because Frost runs 80% of Lukes snaps... he came in on a 2nd play and missed a read and got 5 yards. Luke has played in a couple games but was hurt immediately in one, and was mostly a WR in another. That isn't proving you can gain the trust of 15-20 guys on offense, nor withstand a single game of 80 snaps. There is a reason Frosty tried to bulk up AM...the position is a grind, and with one RB it is even more physically demanding. I knew the moment he threw that TD pass that Luke was going to become #1 in the hearts of turd fans...I hope there is a competition, and I hope the best QB wins...AM still has the greater ceiling because Luke is too small right now, and adding 20 pounds is going to change him...
Nate Stanley as a sophomore was more impressive and made better decisions than AMart. Just because he looks physically gifted doesn’t mean he has that “it” factor. We all know what needs to be improved upon but do you really have faith it will get flipped? After the past 5 years? If he wins the starting job come Fall, there better be an extremely shortly leash on him. If he starts pulling the same crap in year 3, it’s best to be honest with him and demote him and give Luke a shot.
We’ve rode two years on the A-train and we shouldn’t have to wait until he “gets it” to have a winning team. It’s not fair to the team or the fans
I’m sure I might sound very harsh or unreasonable to the sunshine pumpers but all I expect from our QB is to make good decisions, not to be in the Heisman race. It’s a fair ask in my opinion.
THe coaches are at least a little responsible for his poor play. Coach V. is a nutcase and puts a massive amount of pressure on the kids. Luke and Vedral both grew up in that sort of environment and seem better able to handle the pressure. They also made him bulk up...this is always a risk with a young kid, especially a kid who hasn't played much football in his life...they wanted a physical, durable qb who maintained his arm flexibility and speed. All the while almost all of his play makers were removed. I would agree about a change but his backups have a combined ZERO wins. It takes about 3 plays to say that Vedral is no better than Amart...he makes faster decisions but not better plays. Luke has been super protected..a very limited play book...and he is small and has already be hurt in limited action. Vedral and Luke have been hurt in nearly every game they have played...Amart is much more durable which is the most important stat...
If Luke McCaffrey plays even the second half of the game yesterday, NU wins this game going away. Luke has better instincts and is a smarter player. Last time I checked brains don’t get bigger in the weight room. AM’s play has been more of a liability this year and his decision making hurt the team yesterday. You can spin it any way that you like but thats the facts, Jack.
Signed,
A turd fan
pretty sure he's worn it all year. One guy I think has reason to know has said he thinks Martinez will have shoulder surgery again in the off season. Frost has hinted that AM has dealt with several lingering injuries all year.
We will see if Gebbia ever starts at Beaver State. He wasn't their starter this season. Maybe he will tear it up next year, I hope he does, seemed like a great kid.
Wrong - Luke is the type of player with the pedigree to develop on his own despite any lack of coaching. AM on the other hand watch his body language.....as the leader of the team the other players feed off of his attitude. Hence, Luke coming in and firing up not only the crowd but the team bros and bras.
It’s not so much about Luke proving he can as it is Martinez for 12 games proved he can’t, if a coach is to blind to see the obvious we might have a problem.
Frost promised Adrian the starting QB job to get him to come here. He also still has hard feelings about getting booed here in '96.
Barring serious injury, Adrian will be starter here for the next 2 years.
Barring serious injury, Adrian will be starter here for the next 2 years.