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Corycord1

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Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
 
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ScarletKid2008

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I said the same thing. He’s allowed to bang and swing elbows all day long. He chirps the refs after every single trip down.


One thing he does really really well is pinning guys deep while the ball moves. He gets himself in position for a layup before he even touches the ball.

but for as physical as he plays. It’s definitely an anamoly how many fouls he gets vs gives. And that’s for every game I’ve seen them play
 
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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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Corycord1 said:
What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call.
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I'm not so sure it was wrong but Garza jumped to contest the shot. He stayed pretty well vertical. But that may be the first time I've ever seen an airborne defender draw a charge.

Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??
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Again, that bizarre cylinder rule is what it is but you're right about the review. When do we ever see a guy land an elbow with no review? When do we see it happen 3x in a game (2 by Garza) with no review?
 
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I'm not so sure it was wrong but Garza jumped to contest the shot. He stayed pretty well vertical. But that may be the first time I've ever seen an airborne defender draw a charge.



Again, that bizarre cylinder rule is what it is but you're right about the review. When do we ever see a guy land an elbow with no review? When do we see it happen 3x in a game (2 by Garza) with no review?
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Again I’m not saying he’s not a great player, but you said it yourself, when have you ever seen a player leave his feet a draw a charge.. only Luka and because he didn’t agree with the call on the other side. It was so predictable.
 
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Agreed on all points! Never seen a jumping charbe

that said..his ability to get deep in the post is great. He k own how to use his body properly to do that. This is what I keep saying about Harper actually. Hehas the ability to do the same with his team but doesn’t leverage it
 
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Just wait till Garza gets protected in the NCAAs. I could see Iowa being gifted into the final four.

I just hope Iowa gets paired up with a Big East team in the tourney. I know we give the old Big East crap but some of those teams are straight down to blast.

Iowa's act would not fly against an SJU, SHU, or Xavier. Those teams are not afraid to get in your face.
 
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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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I especially liked when they called a foul on Mulcahy’s chin for striking Garza’s elbow! Priceless!
 
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He's a great player no doubt, but I have a hard time believing his body type translates to the next level. He always looks winded simply running up the court.
 
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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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Before the game, I stated in another thread that my fear was the refs "protecting" Garza.

And they did.
 
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RU848789

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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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I agree he gets a friendly whistle, but Mathis charged into him (clear cut foul) and Garza's elbow just happened to be in the path of the flailing PM - no way that's on Garza. What I hated were the first and third fouls on Myles which were bad calls, especially the 3rd one, where Garza took a dive, but got the call (smart play really).
 
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I actually looked up the cylinder rule and it’s only a violation of there’s contact when the player’s arms are going side to side and the defender is in front of the player. Arms swinging upward is a flagrant foul. He pivots so Paul is in front of him. But then he swings his elbows upward at Paul’s face. It should’ve been a flagrant foul.
 
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RU848789 said:
I agree he gets a friendly whistle, but Mathis charged into him (clear cut foul) and Garza's elbow just happened to be in the path of the flailing PM - no way that's on Garza. What I hated were the first and third fouls on Myles which were bad calls, especially the 3rd one, where Garza took a dive, but got the call (smart play really).
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When have you ever seen a charge when a defender leaves his feet? Doesn’t seem like a clear cut foul to me. No one is arguing that Garza through an elbow at Paul on purpose. However, it doesn’t need to be on purpose to be a flagrant. The fact that the refs didn’t review either play, just shows you how they feel about Garza. If the rolls are reversed and Myles hits Garza with an unintentional elbow are you so sure Myles isn’t called for a flagrant?? At least it would go to review because Fran would be going nuts on the sideline.
 
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RU848789 said:
I agree he gets a friendly whistle, but Mathis charged into him (clear cut foul) and Garza's elbow just happened to be in the path of the flailing PM - no way that's on Garza. What I hated were the first and third fouls on Myles which were bad calls, especially the 3rd one, where Garza took a dive, but got the call (smart play really).
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If you watch it in the slo-mo, Garza fouls Tez's arm even before the jumping charge happens.
 
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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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How about the travels they didn't call against him he had at least 2 and agreed he does pin his guy good but again he had at least 3-4 3 second violations;
Also watch him go for a rebound he routinely pushes his guy in the back
And lastly how many illegal moving picks does he set
Like you said good college player will not make it in the pros but why are there 2 sets of rules!!
The first elbow I understand was totally accidental but the second one on Mulcahy was a blatant flagrant foul!!!!!!
 
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knightflight said:
He’s a goon. He shuffles his feet all of the time and is never called for a travel.
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I said that below he traveled at least 3-4 times and nothing called!! I know we couldn't throw a ball in the ocean but when you blatantly take out both our big men with in 7 minutes that is BS
 
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RU848789 said:
Mathis charged into him (clear cut foul)
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Have you ever seen a charge called before when the defender left his feet to contest a shot? First time for me. When the shooting player gets the defender off his feet, it's always either a blocking foul or a no call in my memory. How many times has a shooter faked to get an opponent in the air, then intentionally charged into them while their feet were off the ground to get the blocking foul? Once you leave your feet, my understanding was that you're now challenging the shot rather than maintaining guarding position - in which case any contact is on you and not the shooter.

Is that a wrong assumption? Or was it a bad call?
 
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Corycord1 said:
Let’s get one thing straight we didn’t lose this game because of the refs. However, I have never seen a player so protected then the golden boy Garza. The amount he fouls on defense that he doesn’t get called for is maddening, compound that with the weak cheap fouls on the other end and you understand why he will win the National Player of the Year award. I’m not saying that Luka isn’t a great college player but he is playing with a different whistle then any other big man that I have ever seen. I am very confident that in the NCAA tournament you will see a different Garza, without the BIG refs on his side.

What really put me over the edge was the when Luka was called for a charge going to the lane against JY, immediately Luka ran to the refs complaining and pleading his case. I said to my buddy I guarantee RU will be called for a make up call on the next possession, sure enough Montez, was called for a charge when it was clearly the wrong call. Also why are NONE of Luka’s elbows reviewed by the refs? Is Luka allowed to swing his elbows and strike opposing players but no one else is??

Again, this is not why we lost. Our 3pt shooting was horrid, and most were wide open shots. Our defensive rebounded was bad too, but again that has a lot to do with Myles being in foul trouble. I just wish that our big men would get the same friendly whistle that the BIG 10 golden boy gets.
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It appeared Myles first foul could have been a foul by Garza. It definitely was not a foul by RU. Myles third foul really wasn’t a foul either. Agree, not why we lost but did change tenor of the game
 
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Rutgers fans have to stop complaining when we lose. We are not that good to overcome bad shooting, bad defense and foul troubles.
Myles should not have picked up any fouls till the second half.
We are not playing smart basketball. That can't be fixed overnight.
We are not making the tournament.
 
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RUsojo

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Great example as to why it’s to important Pikiell grows as a coach and starts riding the refs more. Needs to do it
 
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Hansbrough at North Carolina was like that in the ACC. There were a lot of funny videos made of how he shuffled his feet under the basket after picking up his dribble. It was pretty comical. What are ya' gonna' do?
 
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It appeared Myles first foul could have been a foul by Garza. It definitely was not a foul by RU. Myles third foul really wasn’t a foul either. Agree, not why we lost but did change tenor of the game
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Changing tenor of the game is a big reason why we lost. The mental gymnastics to not blame officiating is amusing. Mathis got mugged by Garza. Garza jumped into Mathis and hit his arms. We got an RU fan saying a clear cut foul on Mathis? SMH. The walks are another issue where Garza gets a free ride. Myles and RU deserve some equal courtesy.
 
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Proud NJ Sports Fan said:
I don't watch the NBA so I don't really even know who Emblid is, but, I find it hard to believe that Garza won't play at the next level.
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Garza is protected from really defending by the Iowa zone - having to man up on defense against Embiid, Jokic, Towns, or other NBA centers will go badly for him. He has a dominant college game that will have a hard time transitioning to the NBA.

Tyler Hansbrough is a good comparison - dominant in college, never really got any traction professionally.
 
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Garza is protected from really defending by the Iowa zone - having to man up on defense against Embiid, Jokic, Towns, or other NBA centers will go badly for him. He has a dominant college game that will have a hard time transitioning to the NBA.

Tyler Hansbrough is a good comparison - dominant in college, never really got any traction professionally.
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Hansborough is the only comparison?
 
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