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cedog

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LA Dodgers have just over $3,100,000 left to sign the players listed below plus their 10th RD pick ($130,000 slot). If JT really wants more than $2.5M or is coming to State for 2 years, I like State's chances much more than ever that he's actually going to end up in Starkville.
 
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I'm not sure why everyone is restating what has been said in the other thread repeatedly in new ways while still missing on the actual numbers. The Dodgers still have $3.78 mil for the 3 picks. The "real" cap is pool + 5%. The numbers are already there and correct in the other thread.

In six years with these rules, teams have outspent their allotments a total of 95 times, but never by more than 5 percent. Twenty-one of the 30 clubs exceeded their pools last year.
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patdog

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So, essentially, the Dodgers can give each of the three their allotted slot money, and if they overspend on one, they have to either not sign or underspend on one of the others, correct? What happens if they don't sign one? Do they get a compensatory pick in next year's draft?
 
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Uh huh.. and somewhere the guy who follows Hofstra baseball is saying.. Hey, it looks good for John Rooney returning to school because the Dodgers are out of money after they sign that Ginn guy!
 
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engie said:
I'm not sure why everyone is restating what has been said in the other thread repeatedly in new ways while still missing on the actual numbers. The Dodgers still have $3.78 mil for the 3 picks. The "real" cap is pool + 5%. The numbers are already there and correct in the other thread.
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So you're saying:

1. There's still a chance.
2. We shouldn't get excited yet.
3. Stop starting new threads about it.

Got it.
 
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engie

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patdog said:
So, essentially, the Dodgers can give each of the three their allotted slot money, and if they overspend on one, they have to either not sign or underspend on one of the others, correct? What happens if they don't sign one? Do they get a compensatory pick in next year's draft?
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Correct.

If they don't sign Ginn, they lose his "slot value" in this draft exactly as if they had signed him. But they get that slot value compensation as well as an additional first round pick in next year's draft. Hence how, from their perspective, they really don't lose much/anything in failing to sign him this year. They are perpetually at the bottom of the draft pool. They are willing to take a hit now in order to try and stack some real top-end draft talent together next year or use multiple first rounders in trade negotiations. And if he signs, they think they stole a top 20ish talent much later because there was real fear around the league that Ginn very well might go to State no matter what. Hard to trade away your first round pick when you actually won't get to pick again till #75 or so how the Dodgers usually do. A recipe for a terrible farm system.

The "new" MLB draft system basically forces teams to pay slot value or very close to it -- and it forces players to take that slot value or go to school. If the player doesn't do that, the system really doesn't punish the team because it compensates them in the next draft.
 
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patdog

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So, if I calculate correctly, the Dodgers have to spend $108 less than slot money for Ginn, the 2nd round pick and the 10th round pick. I'll be surprised if Ginn signs for less than slot money, so it looks like they're planning on one of the three not signing.
 
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patdog said:
So, if I calculate correctly, the Dodgers have to spend $108 less than slot money for Ginn, the 2nd round pick and the 10th round pick. I'll be surprised if Ginn signs for less than slot money, so it looks like they're planning on one of the three not signing.
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I'm getting taht if they sign the second rounder for slot, they'll have 2,297,260 to pay Ginn. $3.78 left (pool plus 5%), less $565,740 for third round pick, then assume slot for 2nd round pick (so less $917,000), leaves $2.29726M for Ginn. I am probably not understanding something though.
 
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patdog

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I also deducted $130,000 for the 10th round pick. Bottom line is, the remaining players are going to have to sign for pretty close to slot money if they all 3 sign.
 
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cedog

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If Ginn comes to State, I may have more unrealistic expectations about this baseball class than any recruiting class at State since the Feb. 2001 football signees.

Man, that group had more unrealized hype and potential than any other signing class I can remember.
 
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I know this player is the topic du jour, but tell me why I care? I'm not familiar.
Obviously if he's first round talent then he's pretty darn good. Like, weekend starter next season?
 
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[FONT=&quot]According to Jim Callis (link below), as of 3:01 CDT, there are 8 remaining 1st rounders not yet signed. Kind of odd but 1/4 are MS State Signees. Stewart's going to sign by all accounts, but Ginn just keeps getting more and more interesting.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-mlb-draft-signings-status-update/c-284018650

4. White Sox: Nick Madrigal, 2B, Oregon State[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8. Braves: Carter Stewart, RHP, Eau Gallie HS (Melbourne, Fla.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18. Royals: Brady Singer, RHP, Florida[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20. Twins: Trevor Larnach, OF, Oregon State[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21. Brewers: Brice Turang, SS, Santiago HS (Corona, Calif.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25. Diamondbacks: Matt McLain, SS, Beckman HS (Irvine, Calif.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30. Dodgers: J.T. Ginn, RHP, Brandon (Miss.) HS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31. Rays: Shane McClanahan, LHP, South Florida[/FONT]
 
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cedog

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6 First Rounders left now

[FONT=&quot]8. Braves: Carter Stewart, RHP, Eau Gallie HS (Melbourne, Fla.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20. Twins: Trevor Larnach, OF, Oregon State[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21. Brewers: Brice Turang, SS, Santiago HS (Corona, Calif.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25. Diamondbacks: Matt McLain, SS, Beckman HS (Irvine, Calif.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30. Dodgers: J.T. Ginn, RHP, Brandon (Miss.) HS[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31. Rays: Shane McClanahan, LHP, South Florida[/FONT]
 
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