Looking ahead to 26-27

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Yes I know the season isn't over, but Banghart mentions how young we are all the time and she isn't wrong. Just curious if folks think we can keep all these players without some of the ladies leaving or being poached?

Of the ladies I think can or are contributors we have:

Seniors
  • Kelly
Juniors
  • Aarnisalo
  • Toomey
  • Thomas
  • Grant
  • Hull
Sophomores
  • Brooks
  • Henderson
  • Queiroz
Freshman
  • Harpring
  • Guaimatsia

Feels like we might need to play "big" lineups a decent amount if we want to keep everyone happy.

PG
Kelly (20)/Aarnisalo(15)/Harpring(5)

SG
Grant(20)/Brooks(10)/Harpring(10)

SF
Hull(15)/Henderson(10)/Brooks(10)

PF
Querioz(20)/Henderson(10)/Hull(10)

C
Toomey(25)/Thomas(10)/Guaimatsia(5)
 
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CB clearly doesn’t care about keeping everyone happy. She cares about winning, except she’s not winning Q1 games. I’m worried about Hull transferring. CB is on record saying she’s one of the most improved in the country and her reward is getting 0-3 minutes in Q1 games. I don’t want her to leave, but it seems ridiculous to have someone that can shoot like her on the roster and not playing her except to save legs against lesser teams for her preferred 7 to play the important games. And then also not winning Q1 games.

I also would keep a look out for EA… Harpring isn’t going to ride the pine. And RK’s injury history makes it possible to get time, but that’s a lot to take by chance.
 
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Guaimatsia goes by Noelle Bofia now. Laila Hull is a Dean's List student and will probably be in the hunt for 6th man of the year if she has a great season. I for sure hope she does not leave. Aarnisalo could leave but Reniya Kelly at this point is an iffy situation with her knee recovery none of us know. She could return 100% or the problem could be chronic. We need RK 100%.

Coach CB is going to play what she thinks gives us the best chance to win. I do think Kate and Lanie will log the most backcourt minutes.

No one ever knows about the portal. You get some and you lose some. I hope we keep what we have.
 

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Guaimatsia goes by Noelle Bofia now. Laila Hull is a Dean's List student and will probably be in the hunt for 6th man of the year if she has a great season. I for sure hope she does not leave. Aarnisalo could leave but Reniya Kelly at this point is an iffy situation with her knee recovery none of us know. She could return 100% or the problem could be chronic. We need RK 100%.

Coach CB is going to play what she thinks gives us the best chance to win. I do think Kate and Lanie will log the most backcourt minutes.

No one ever knows about the portal. You get some and you lose some. I hope we keep what we have.
I was thinking that, too. Hull has the potential be a massive piece. I hope she doesn’t leave. I wish CB would let her get big game experience.
 

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What i would do if i was CB

Starters:
Harpring | Grant | Brooks | Henderson | Toomey

Bench:
Kelly | Aarnisalo | Hull | Queiroz | Thomas

Depth:
Barker | Zubich | Astakhova | Bofia

Maybe Zubrich transfers but I think they'll need another body who can play the 5
 

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Harris and Nivar graduating solves a good bit of the logjam at the 3-4 on this year’s team. That is 55 MPG to split between Brooks, Queiroz, Henderson and Hull.

if we had landed Bjorn then someone would be odd woman out of the two deep. But as of right now we do not have a freshman wing coming in.

last year there were underclassmen on this team not earning PT. on paper they seemed ripe for transfer. But all if them returned. I think a lot of that has to do with how close the Blueballerz are; they generally seem content with their positions on the team, because they just like being on this team.

will that hold for yet another season? Probably not. Odds are a couple move on. That is just the norm. Any guess at who is just idle speculation.

But we have always made equal or better replacement moves in the portal. I feel reasonably confident that whatever hole is created it will be filled.
 

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What i would do if i was CB

Starters:
Harpring | Grant | Brooks | Henderson | Toomey

Bench:
Kelly | Aarnisalo | Hull | Queiroz | Thomas

Depth:
Barker | Zubich | Astakhova | Bofia

Maybe Zubrich transfers but I think they'll need another body who can play the 5

Talent level certainly points to a 4 out 1 in offensive system. IMHO, this year’s team should also be playing a 4 out 1 in system. Most of our runs this year come when we get away from the 3 out 2 in system and play a 4 out 1 in system. The 5 out system should not be played either. Rotating Toomer and Harris could push us to the sweet 16 and beyond this year.
 
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If RK is healthy next season she will start. Harpring will not start if RK is healthy. She will get a lot of PT time. Now as the season goes she could crack the starting line up. Her defensive will have to improve tremendously for her to start. That is the biggest problems that 99% of the freshmen have coming in.
 

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Noelle will be playing the 4 and 5 next year. If Thomas game does not improve at the start of next season, then Noelle will jump passed her at the 5 spot. Noelle will be behind TQ at the 4 spot next year.
 
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Noelle will be playing the 4 and 5 next year. If Thomas game does not improve at the start of next season, then Noelle will jump passed her at the 5 spot. Noelle will be behind TQ at the 4 spot next year.
Noelle has tremendous upside and immediate strength and athleticism. I think that is what earned her #55 ranking: potential. But to my eye (admittedly very little data points) she is significantly more raw right now than every big on this roster including Astakhova.

My guess is that Queiroz and Henderson are and will stay well ahead of her through next season minimum. Thomas is ahead of her even if her current sophomore slump continues next season. But I expect a jump from Thomas .

I would be elated if you and Bofia prove me wrong. It means we are in really great shape in the post. Iron sharpens iron.
 

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Why do you think she came in January instead of coming in August. She is going to get a jump like TQ and LG did by coming in early. We had this same conversation at the beginning of this season when yall clearly stated that TQ and TH would barely see the floor this year and I told you guys that these two were going to get a lot of time this year. I know talent when I see it. Mark this down. Noelle is going to play a lot next year because NH will graduate. First thing that is said about her is that she is a 6 feet 4 inchers power forward. This tells you she will be playing the 4 spot, maybe some 5. Secondly this is what CB said about her:
"In Noelle, we are adding impactful length and athleticism to our front court," said Banghart. "An elite rebounder and shot blocker, Noelle will add immense value to our interior." This statement right here tells you that she is already ahead of Thomas on the defensive end. Notice CB said impactful length and athleticism which is what this team will not have at the four next season after IN and NH graduates. I am talking about at the 4 and 5 spots. An elite rebounder and shot blocker. BT does not have this right now. She did not have last year as a freshmen nor does she have it this year. Notice the word elite. You cannot teach or coach this, plus she is coming in early and not waiting to August. Her strength and conditioning will be there along with her offensive skills by coming January. If you do not understand what CB is telling us then I do not know what to tell you. This young lady is bringing the same defensive prowess at MG did for us the last 2 years when she was at UNC plus she is taller.
 

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Why do you think she came in January instead of coming in August. She is going to get a jump like TQ and LG did by coming in early. We had this same conversation at the beginning of this season when yall clearly stated that TQ and TH would barely see the floor this year and I told you guys that these two were going to get a lot of time this year. I know talent when I see it. Mark this down. Noelle is going to play a lot next year because NH will graduate. First thing that is said about her is that she is a 6 feet 4 inchers power forward. This tells you she will be playing the 4 spot, maybe some 5. Secondly this is what CB said about her:
"In Noelle, we are adding impactful length and athleticism to our front court," said Banghart. "An elite rebounder and shot blocker, Noelle will add immense value to our interior." This statement right here tells you that she is already ahead of Thomas on the defensive end. Notice CB said impactful length and athleticism which is what this team will not have at the four next season after IN and NH graduates. I am talking about at the 4 and 5 spots. An elite rebounder and shot blocker. BT does not have this right now. She did not have last year as a freshmen nor does she have it this year. Notice the word elite. You cannot teach or coach this, plus she is coming in early and not waiting to August. Her strength and conditioning will be there along with her offensive skills by coming January. If you do not understand what CB is telling us then I do not know what to tell you. This young lady is bringing the same defensive prowess at MG did for us the last 2 years when she was at UNC plus she is taller.
I think she came in Jan because (a) she is willing and (b) she wanted to start D1 level basketball training. Players like Grant and Harpring have really rare access and resources for continuous professional training while in HS. Queiroz and Bofia, less so. CB has alluded to these disparities as a factor in early enrollment.

edit: Bofia did play at a pretty elite High school program with a proven coach from the W. She had some key camp invites like the US Army NG camp, though she did not get team USA camps like Harpring and Grant. So she is ahead of someone like Zubich who played in a less competitive area and probably had less camps. And ahead of Astakhova who had reportedly never done weight training.

January enrollment does not directly lead to freshman playing time though. See Shaver, Will. It certainly will help, though.

If you want to compare her to Thomas, Thomas lead UNC in both blocks and rebounds per minute played as a freshman last year. That was ahead of Ustby and Gakdeng, who are <checks notes> pretty good. No, I am not saying she is better than those two. But she has demostrated defensive ability. She has clearly taken a step back this season. I suspect , but do not know for sure, that it is related to her documented offseason injury that kept her out this summer. Thomas's trouble last year (and this one) is finishing on offense. Her FG% is bad for a center. But we know that Bofia has the same deficiency, right now at least.

So we are talking about potential growth curves here, not what people are capable of right now. Neither you nor I, nor probably the coaching staff right now, know what the future will hold. We are speculating on potential. My guess is that Bofia's potential is at least a year away.

Seems odd to me that you continually downplay Harpring's readiness to come in and contribute immediately; you think her stock is too high. Yet you do the opposite for Bofia, labelling her already above some pretty highly regarded players already on the team who are contributing right now.

In regards to your prognostications, you said that Brooks would start from day one and would be leading the season towards the end. She was your top choice on the entire team. You also said that Hull would break out. And Henderson. And I guess Queiroz, but I do not remember that one. They are all coming along nicely, but all pretty similar rotational players at this point.
 
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I think Noelle will be a 5. I think BT is a 5. I know CT is a 5/4.

TQ is an elite rebounder IMO. I hope NBofia will be one. You are right Jriv you cannot teach someone
to be elite at rebounding. Decent yes, elite no. Think Alysa Utsby. You have to have the knack or you will not be elite.
 
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I'll keep saying this, we need a quick (fast) point guard. I know that CB was after a couple fast PG early in the year.
Right now we only have one PG strong with the dribble and that is R Kelly. Our second best player when pressured is probably Indya N. I think Kate will be a strong dribbler and penetrator next year.

Indya is gone this year and Reniya is gone next year. So I agree we do need a PG other than Kate H who is a strong dribbler able to break pressure. I think Lanie is a good dribbler for a 2G. Elina is a good dribbler when driving to the basket but not so much vs halfcourt pressure.
 

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That quick (fast) PG doesn't have to play a lot of minutes but there would be times that she would be valuable when the offense was struggling. She doesn't have to score much either, just take care of the ball and distribute to her teammates.
 
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Been away for a few days, but the reference to B. Thomas do not foresee her being on the team next season. Her upside is not what most envision with her committing to Carolina out of HS. Also believe that Zurich will transfer as well, and the rest of the team to stay intact. Have to agree that CB is looking for an elite PG next year with offers out to at least 5 of the top players in 2027. With Reniya Kelly not sure if she will be able to contribute going forward, truly hope to wrong on this, but McPherson keeps coming to my mind with her current condition with her knees.
 

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I am not down playing Harpring on the offensive side of the ball. The problem is that 99% of freshmen coming in and playing major D1 basketball is on the defensive side of the ball. Can you guard the elite guards in the ACC on the defensive end?. Muffet McGraw stated this as well. When I watched film on Kate; especially when she played against elite AAU teams, she could not defend them. That is what I am saying. These are the facts. To be honest, how many elite offensive players coming out of high school play elite defense. This is my point. HH and JuJu were exceptionally to these rule. The same can be said with Sarah Strong last year. They could defend coming into college.
 

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Kate's defense will have to improve tremendously. Skinner who is at Duke, was ranked number 4 last year and she did not start at Duke the first game. Being able to guard is the issue here and that is why I am saying that Kate will not start Day 1 unless she make tremendous strides on the defensive end; however, as the season goes on, she might crack the starting line up. We do need an elite fast PG as someone has started.
 

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Hi Tarboy, Go back and watch the film when Kate had to guard some of the elite point guards in her class when she played AAU ball. You will see what I am talking about. Also, I just listened to Holding Court with Courtney Banghart and she just said that the major adjustments that athletes have to make coming out of her school and playing in college is the speed and physicality of the college game. Kate's dad cannot teach this. This is what I am saying. However, I cannot wait to see her play in the McDonalds AAU game and the Jordan Brand game. She will be playing against the best players in her class. If she goes off on them, and can shut them down on the defensive end than I will say she is legit and that some upper classman may be coming off of the bench when she arrives at UNC. Also, let me make this perfectly clear. Her offensive game is legit, and I am just talking about her defensive game. When you go back and watch the film when JuJu and HH played in the McDonalds AAU game, you could clearly see that these two young ladies were on a different level from an offensive and defensive level, and you knew that they were going to start from Day 1. Heck, these two young ladies were good enough to by pass college and jump right into the WNBA.
 

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Hello Jriv, I am going to give Kate the benefit of ALL doubt until I am proven wrong by her performance
on the court. I will stand by what I have posted.

If she plays great defense in the McD game LOL it will be something new for the Mickey D game as usually there is no real team defense. HH is an anomaly in that she plays for steals and glory/disruption and of course is real good at stealing the ball. Team defense is being in the correct place in regards to where the ball is and where your man is. I think Kate will be very good at Coach CB's positional defense.

If Kate wants to work some on one on one defense against her dad Matt to sharpen her skills I imagine that would be a tough challenging workout and a serious learning experience as Matt looks in pretty good shape still and he was such a great player.

By the way remember in the pre-season this year I told you Taissa Q was very Utsby like with her great ability to rebound/score around the rim. That prediction is looking pretty good.

Kate, Lanie, Brooks, Henderson/Taissa and Ciera top 6 players

Reniya, Elin, Jordan Z, L Hull, N Bofia/BT.

IMO, A great looking roster !
 

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I was in total agreement with you about TQ. We had some posters who try to tell us both that TQ and TH would not see any playing time this year, and we both said that they would. Also, I stated that I was going to wait to see how Kate does against the other top players in the McDonalds AAU game and Jordan Brand game on the defensive side of the ball. She is legit on the offensive side. I just want to see how she does against them defensively. If should does good on that side than I will admit that she we step in start next year.
 
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Jriv, I wonder if Reniya if heathy, Lanie and Kate might all start. Reniya and Lanie on the wings and
Kate at PG. That would possibly move Nyla B to the 4 to start games or rotate with Taliyah and Taissa
depending on the match ups.

We should have a strong rotation.

It would be bad for recruiting to not start the top PG in the nation out of high school. Plus I think Kate
is simply that good.
 

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Both of you make excellent points in regards to Kate Harping, no doubt she's an exceptional offensive player who can single handily control a game. Have to agree that defense will be a learning curve for her, but she has all the attributes to excel at it.
 
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Jriv and I like to dice it up on predicting what freshmen will bring to the table. What will be, will be. We just like
to give it a look see. No harm no foul lol. All in fun.
 
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KJ I agree with you 100% on staying off the mens forum. It is not fun over there like it used to be. I wonder if it has become
loaded up with with state and dookies dressed in Ram's clothing. Lol.
 

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That's what the forums are for, exchanging ideas and thoughts. It's more enjoyable on here, stay away from the men's forum as much as possible. The same old jargons over and over again, it's tiresome. LOL!!!
Just like all of Hubert's pressers....... I digress.
 

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This forum is for WBB only. If you want to start a single thread to discuss MBB that may be kosher; I can ask staff.

but hijacking existing threads about WBB to debate the merits of MBB is not ok and will be corrected. please stay on topic. (This happened more so in another thread, not so much here)
 

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Jriv, I wonder if Reniya if heathy, Lanie and Kate might all start. Reniya and Lanie on the wings and
Kate at PG. That would possibly move Nyla B to the 4 to start games or rotate with Taliyah and Taissa
depending on the match ups.

We should have a strong rotation.

It would be bad for recruiting to not start the top PG in the nation out of high school. Plus I think Kate
is simply that good.

I wish they would've taken Autum alongside Kate and figured the rest out later. Probably a reason they didn't though.
 
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Where does EA fit in? This is a good problem to have. IMO, I do not think KH will start at first because she will have to adjust to the speed and physicalness of the college game. Skinner who was highly ranked this past year at Duke did not start from Day 1 as some people had predicted. I do see KH starting at some point. When is anybody's guess; however, if she does start from Day 1 then I do not mind being wronged. I do remember back in 2013 that DD, AG, and SM all started as freshmen and that team was a veteran team. Some of the seniors on that team lost their starting spots to those three freshmen. This is why I am not going to rule out that KH could start. Notice I used the words I do not think which is an assumption.
 

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Jriv I think Kate the #2 recruit in the nation is going to start from day one. Her not starting would be bad for recruiting.

Emily Skinner is redshirting this year. Is she hurt idk.
 
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Sherril, I have heard that Coach CB would like a team of tall players that can switch on defense.
Maybe that is why she backed off 5'7 Autumn or maybe the dookies just outrecruited us for her.

The player we missed that I wish we had gotten was Addison Bjorn. Maybe she won't like Texas.

I imagine we will try to get a PG out of the portal or in the next class.
 

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I do not disagree with you at all. I want her to start to be honest. I totally agree that would be bad for recruiting. To be honest, I remember back in 2013 when Diamond Deshields, Alicia Gray, Jessica Washington, and Stephanie Muvgana came into UNC. UNC had the number 1 recruiting class coming in that year. Can you believe you had some posters who actually thought that DD, AG, and SM were going to come off the bench, and I tried to tell them that they were going to start from Day 1. I received a lot of backlashed for that and as it turned out. All three started like I had predicted because they were just that good. The team made it to the elite 8 as freshman. They had Stanford beat until the referees started making bad calls down the stretch and Stanford eventually one a close one at their place. Otherwise, that team would have been in the Final Four.
 
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The irony is that Diamond Deshields and Alisha Grey were both from GA and Diamond was from Atlanta, the same as Kate. So, we know Georgia producer's top female women basketball players. Maya Moore is from Georgia. KM is from GA is well. Go Heels!
 
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