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[mstateglfr]

Still loving this thread. Just gold all around.
Keep it coming, I have another hour of work to get thru!

 

[T-TownDawgg]

My response to that: no doubt in my mind weapons have been in stadiums. No less confident every school in America has seen drugs inside it's doors. But making it legal for all to brandish either in sports arenas or schools is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

Joint? Fine by me, smoke it in your privacy.
.45 1911 Beretta? Beautiful weapon. Don't need it fo no futbah game.

 

[DerHntr]

I wonder how many of y'all would stop going to games entirely if you knew how many concealed firearms were inside Davis Wade on Saturdays in the Fall. How many folks have been shot inside Davis Wade? The argument that concealed carriers are going to get into drunken altercations and start shooting people over petty disagreements just doesn't hold water. It would have happened already.

I know multiple people like you who carry at all times and are very responsible. They would never drink with a weapon on them. I also know multiple who constantly drink while carrying and I'm glad they have never been in a situation where they needed to make a decision about protection. These same guys don't carry on campus because they know how bad the repercussions would be if caught. It's a damn big deal. Change the rules where they can carry into a game and I'm certain they would tailgate as usual with a lot of booz and go into the game.

Lastly, I find it interesting that in this very thread it has been said over and over that law abiding citizens are carrying to protect themselves, yet you just pointed out that a lot of people are breaking the law by carrying on campus and in Davis Wade during a game. I would argue that regardless of your intent, breaking such a heavy handed law shows reduced decision making skills.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

You must be Catholic

Nope. There are a lot of points made in this thread that people can agree or disagree with easily. Your comment that all conceal carriers would miraculously not drink before going in the game is insanity though.

No miracle required. It is possible to choose not to drink. It is also possible to choose not to carry a gun if you do want to drink.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I know multiple people like you who carry at all times and are very responsible. They would never drink with a weapon on them. I also know multiple who constantly drink while carrying and I'm glad they have never been in a situation where they needed to make a decision about protection. These same guys don't carry on campus because they know how bad the repercussions would be if caught. It's a damn big deal. Change the rules where they can carry into a game and I'm certain they would tailgate as usual with a lot of booz and go into the game.

Lastly, I find it interesting that in this very thread it has been said over and over that law abiding citizens are carrying to protect themselves, yet you just pointed out that a lot of people are breaking the law by carrying on campus and in Davis Wade during a game. I would argue that regardless of your intent, breaking such a heavy handed law shows reduced decision making skills.

You know multiple people who drink while carrying? Do they have a conceal carry permit?

 

[Hump4Hoops]

What are you insinuating about Catholics?

 

[mcdawg22]

That seems like a kind of a ****** attitude to take. I actually appreciate other people carrying because I don't want to deal with the hassle and I get to free ride off of them.

I think you miss my point. In my 40 years on this earth I honestly can think of a handful of times that I feared for my life. I don't think that way. I don't put myself in situations where I should fear for my safety. I live my life without fear that someone is going to kill me. Call me oblivious but statistics are on my side. If me or my family are harmed in a situation where a gun could have saved me I'll regret it and you can say I told you. But that day isn't going to happen. Hell im more likely to get bit by a shark with my lifestyle, but I don't wear chainmail.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I know multiple people like you who carry at all times and are very responsible. They would never drink with a weapon on them. I also know multiple who constantly drink while carrying and I'm glad they have never been in a situation where they needed to make a decision about protection. These same guys don't carry on campus because they know how bad the repercussions would be if caught.

I agree, and add that law abiding responsible carry civilians should take the responsibility so seriously they feel the "weight" of the weapon they carry. I know I do. It can at times be quite stressful in some situations to carry; I want to attend games with friends and family, drink, ********, talk trash to visitors and have fun. Gun stays in the truck. I don't want to imagine having to feel like I need to carry inside DWS to feel safe.

 

[Dawgbite]

As an Enhanced Concealed Carry holder who is carrying right now, I will throw my two cents in even though nothing said here is going to change anybodies mind. The right to bear arms is something I believe in but that right comes with great responsibility. If you rob me at knife point and I feel that all you want is my money, you will get my wallet and never know I am armed. If you threaten my wife or myself with bodily harm or death then you will find out if I am armed. The responsiblity of carrying concealed should come with training , either voluntary or required just as driving an automobile requires training. I believe carry permit holders should prove competency with a handgun before a permit is issued. Permit holders should also be made aware of what happens after you pull the trigger. Its not over when you are out of harms way, its just beginning. You are going to be sued in civil court by the survivor or the family of the deceased. Lets be honest, there are people who just do not need to be carrying a firearm, these are usually the same people who should not be reproducing but that's a debate for another time. I do not carry all the time, but more often than not. It becomes habit over time, just like putting a knife in my pocket or dropping my phone in my pocket. I sincerely hope I never need it, kinda like the airbags in my truck, but it could be a day when its needed.

 

[BELdog]

AG opinion from 2012 says that campus carry is legal for enhanced permit holders.

 

[1msucub]

This is a pretty fascinating topic, really. I don't feel the need to step on anybody's toes, nor to discuss when or whether or not I conceal carry. For me, the equation is simple:

Firearms+alcohol+concentrated crowds-clear thinking=a bad idea

Like many have said, there is no telling how many concealed carriers you interact with every day, but the boiling point atmosphere of a college sporting event.....I don't know, man. That just seems like asking for trouble. Just my humble, slightly educated redneck opinion.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I would venture

to guess that the vast majority of legally permitted enhanced cc holders in MS are responsible enough to know they shouldn't carry when they're planning on getting extremely shitfaced. Of course, I'm basing that upon the folks that I know. Again, I'd assume most are like them (responsible/intelligent).

 

[mstateglfr]

100+ folks in France that were mowed down by some maniacs in 2015. I'm sure they'd disagree with you, but we'll never know really, seeing as how they're dead.

That was a horrific event.


- 3 people blew themselves up outside a stadium. Others carrying concealed wouldnt have helped.
- 1 person blew himself up at a cafe. Others carrying concealed wouldnt have helped.
- There were 3 separate ambush mass shootings around town. Shooters shot around then got into cars to escape. Perhaps maybe a concealed weapon could have helped I suppose? Or the defender could have missed and hit bystanders.
- The concert shooting involved grenades, suicide vests, and guns. Perhaps maybe a concealed weapon could have helped I suppose? Or perhaps a defender would have shot an attacker and blown up the attacker's suicide vest causing even more destruction?...I mention this since it actually did happen that night due to an officer shooting an attacker.


Awful tragedy all around. Concealed weapons wont stop a concealed suicide vest though. The Paris attacks dont seem to be an excellent example of why concealed weapons are beneficial.

 

[ArcherSPS]

Mississippi State University lays out these rules pretty clearly:

View attachment 6374http://www.policies.msstate.edu/policypdfs/91120.pdf

 

[DerHntr]

You know multiple people who drink while carrying? Do they have a conceal carry permit?

Yes.

ETA: this is not equivalent to a "bear at work" story. I'm an avid hunter and shoot a lot. I associate heavily with people who do the same things and have run in circles like this my entire life. I know it's hard to believe, but not everyone makes good decisions.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

That was a horrific event.


- 3 people blew themselves up outside a stadium. Others carrying concealed wouldnt have helped.
- 1 person blew himself up at a cafe. Others carrying concealed wouldnt have helped.
- There were 3 separate ambush mass shootings around town. Shooters shot around then got into cars to escape. Perhaps maybe a concealed weapon could have helped I suppose? Or the defender could have missed and hit bystanders.
- The concert shooting involved grenades, suicide vests, and guns. Perhaps maybe a concealed weapon could have helped I suppose? Or perhaps a defender would have shot an attacker and blown up the attacker's suicide vest causing even more destruction?...I mention this since it actually did happen that night due to an officer shooting an attacker.


Awful tragedy all around. Concealed weapons wont stop a concealed suicide vest though. The Paris attacks dont seem to be an excellent example of why concealed weapons are beneficial.

.

What about Pulse nightclub? San Bernardino? Ft Hood? Bataclan Theatre? Aurora Colorado? Planned parenthood in Colorado Springs? Washington DC Navy Yard? Chattanooga TN recruiting centers? An armed administrator at Sandy Hook?

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm speaking of the

incident in the club where a few guys walked in with AK47s and locked the place down, essentially, and just slowly walked around mowing folks down. We KNOW what happened not having anyone there with a gun to combat them resulted in. We can only speculate what would have happened if someone had a firearm, though. One of those guesses is they could have stopped the situation, before the gunman slowly walked around, executing those injured. If I were inside the club, I know which option I would have picked. I know I've seen where others who were there agreed with me, too. I'd take my chances with that, as opposed to none.

ETA: I'm speaking of the incident at the Bataclan. Of course a cc permit wouldn't stop some person who randomly sets off an explosion.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

I'm a huge Second Amendment guy, but this is absolutely absurd. I don't even feel the need to justify why this is absurd to some of you idiots.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I agree.

Like you, I'm a huge 2A supporter, but I think inside a stadium it seems excessive. There is armed security (sheriff deputies/policeman) everywhere on gamedays, inside stadiums. I don't see this as necessary. Now, if there weren't armed police/deputies all over, I'd agree on this measure.

 

[PBRME]

If you want to find yourself in a situation where you potentially need to use lethal force to protect you, your family, and others around you then allow everyone to bring firearms into the stadium. You never know the mental stability, or if they're f'd from drugs and or alcohol. The % of needing a firearm greatly increases the more firearms you add to the situation. I believe in the 2nd ammendment. Have more guns than the average person. It just reaches a point where you're just trying to make a political statement. That makes you an *******.

 

[BELdog]

But going to and from the events? My primary concern is not inside the stadium itself. I think the events that may take place inside a stadium would be something on such a large scale that individual firearms probably wouldn't do much good (think 9/11). My primary concern is walking to and from the stadium.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Well then carry, but

know that it will not be allowed inside. There are plenty of policeman/deputies all around the stadium, too.

Look I'm prob as big a pro gun guy that there is, but there's no need inside a stadium.

 

[ArcherSPS]

But going to and from the events? My primary concern is not inside the stadium itself. I think the events that may take place inside a stadium would be something on such a large scale that individual firearms probably wouldn't do much good (think 9/11). My primary concern is walking to and from the stadium.

Honest question, where are you parking in Starkville on a gameday where there's not a decent sized police presence? I'll let you in on something, there's a high chance there's metal detectors at the entrance of DWS in the fall. Don't be surprised when they tell you to put the gun back in your car when they discover it on you.

 

[Spiderman.sixpack]

Aw hell, I carried in every game went to in the State this year including the Egg Bowl.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Were you

drunk off your ***?

 

[jethreauxdawg]

That they can't go a day without drinking

What are you insinuating about Catholics?

Said in jest... mostly

 

[BELdog]

I think it's only making a political statement if you are openly carrying a firearm. No one around knows I'm carrying. Nothing political above carrying a firearm for protection.