The majority of Africa is a starving, AIDS infested, war torn, ****-hole that has been horrifically exploited by the rest of the world for centuries. Granted, MS, compared to the rest of the US is also a **** hole, the idea is to be a little bit better than that. What does Black History Month have to do with people still in Africa? Blacks have been in this country for centuries and have had Civil Rights for <75 years. If people understood that/had any empathy at all, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. From your comment it literally sounds like you want us to participate in a race to the bottom.
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I just heard the air passing thur your ears.
Over and out.
BTW...what did I post that wasn't true. Black History has to do with Black History. The complete history. But some wish to ignore the whole history. And to think Africa is not much better off with the influence of "those sorry *** whites" is insane. Which I can assume you would disagree.
Over and out.
BTW...what did I post that wasn't true. Black History has to do with Black History. The complete history. But some wish to ignore the whole history. And to think Africa is not much better off with the influence of "those sorry *** whites" is insane. Which I can assume you would disagree.
What's the deal? Do we aspire to be the Somalia of North America?
Sadly, the last few weeks have been a wake-up call for me as a MSU alum.
Sadly, the last few weeks have been a wake-up call for me as a MSU alum.
Scratch that, make it Rhodesia or South Africa.
They had a good thing going until everybody went all PC on them.
They had a good thing going until everybody went all PC on them.
My point was this. Why does it matter that blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks? How is that relevant to the discussion of the battle flag at all? Who said "sorry *** whites?" I'm as white as they come, chief. The issue at hand is race relations in the south, particularly MS. I'm aware of the billions of dollars of aid that flow into the African continent, as well as the fact that many of their wounds are self inflicted. Some of the wounds of the African American community in this country are self inflicted. But do you really feel victimized by the removal of one of the most widely recognized symbols of white supremacy? Do you feel like your country is being taken from you? Or are your feelings hurt by the fact that your kids might have to do an art project about Dr. King in school during February? Black history month isn't about black supremacy by any stretch, its about accepting and understanding those with different backgrounds. Which on second thought... tells me exactly you are against the idea.
Put it this way, if we were winning 3 games a year, you might say "hey, I don't want MS State to be seen as a ******, incompetent university, we shouldn't be represented by a ******, incompetent football team." We are simply saying "we don't want MS to be seen as a ******, racist, backwards state, why should we be represented with a symbol of our ******, backward, racist past?"
Put it this way, if we were winning 3 games a year, you might say "hey, I don't want MS State to be seen as a ******, incompetent university, we shouldn't be represented by a ******, incompetent football team." We are simply saying "we don't want MS to be seen as a ******, racist, backwards state, why should we be represented with a symbol of our ******, backward, racist past?"
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In other words, it's not politically correct to run fast food ads during shows about obesity/diabetes.
In other words, it's not politically correct to air The Dukes of Hazzard at this time.
aGAIN, it's less to do with a flag and more to do with what we're spending our energy over. There are real problems out there.
That is a huge overstatement. Ask a cop in Memphis, or St. Louis, or Baltimore, or Detroit, or NYC if they agree with that.
As I said before, there are idiots everywhere.
They probably left the KKK thing off because his part in the story looks flashy on the surface but is really boring and ends with him disowning them.
Fort Pillow will always be a stain on Forrest, and even he acknowledged it at the time. His acceptable stance on racial issues after the war in no way makes up for that, but if we're going to drag down the statues of every general who was in command during a massacre, we'd better get started now; it'll take us years just to get through the Revolutionary War.
Fort Pillow will always be a stain on Forrest, and even he acknowledged it at the time. His acceptable stance on racial issues after the war in no way makes up for that, but if we're going to drag down the statues of every general who was in command during a massacre, we'd better get started now; it'll take us years just to get through the Revolutionary War.
While we are talking replacement symbols to please others..
What we gonna replace the fleur-de-Lis with? What should we put on the saints helmets?
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/07/10/29953179/
As long as it is seen that the populace does not need to pay attention to what is really going on in this nation and overseas, this will not stop.
What we gonna replace the fleur-de-Lis with? What should we put on the saints helmets?
http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/07/10/29953179/
As long as it is seen that the populace does not need to pay attention to what is really going on in this nation and overseas, this will not stop.
I'll leave this here:
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150713
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150713
I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh. You basically denounced viewers of Fox News as not fully informed but pull an article from NPR to make a point?
I mean I'm not some kind of news junkie and refuse to sit and watch or listen to opinion shows from any source, but if someone runs to NPR for news.... They can't say **** to Fox News viewers.
I mean I'm not some kind of news junkie and refuse to sit and watch or listen to opinion shows from any source, but if someone runs to NPR for news.... They can't say **** to Fox News viewers.
How is NPR anything like Fox News? There aren't highlight YouTube videos or soundtracks of NPR hosts voicing off ridiculous claims like there is for Fox, CNN, or MSNBC. It's news. It's "communist" because it's free and "leftist" because facts rarely paint the right in a good color.
Edited to include sources from which facts aren't commie liberal propaganda (the point remains that "white washing history" isn't a liberal issue):
http://m.mysanantonio.com/opinion/thirdandavenuee/article/Downplaying-slavery-in-Texas-textbooks-6375722.php
http://m.chron.com/news/education/article/New-Texas-textbooks-downplay-slavery-in-the-Civil-6370897.php
Edited to include sources from which facts aren't commie liberal propaganda (the point remains that "white washing history" isn't a liberal issue):
http://m.mysanantonio.com/opinion/thirdandavenuee/article/Downplaying-slavery-in-Texas-textbooks-6375722.php
http://m.chron.com/news/education/article/New-Texas-textbooks-downplay-slavery-in-the-Civil-6370897.php
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It is a state controlled media outlet. And it is partially federally funded.
I do not watch Fox News.
I do not watch Fox News.
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You're joking right? You sound like a not-funny Stephen Colbert. NPR listeners are consistently the most informed and Fox viewers are consistently the least informed.
In this study, http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...s-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/ Fox viewers finished behind the effing Daily Show, which is literally just 22 minutes of Stewart picking apart Fox's commentary about the previous day's events. Not only did they rank behind the Daily Show, they finished worse than people who DO NOT EVEN WATCH THE NEWS.
10 percent of claims made on Fox receive a "pants on fire" rating from Politifact http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/ and they consistently win "lie of the year," an award they have also bestowed upon our sitting president, in case you think they are just out to get Fox.
I hope you aren't one of those who claims academics and professional fact checkers who all cite their sources directly are PC sissy liberals too. If that is the case, its too late for you I'm afraid.
In this study, http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...s-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/ Fox viewers finished behind the effing Daily Show, which is literally just 22 minutes of Stewart picking apart Fox's commentary about the previous day's events. Not only did they rank behind the Daily Show, they finished worse than people who DO NOT EVEN WATCH THE NEWS.
10 percent of claims made on Fox receive a "pants on fire" rating from Politifact http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/ and they consistently win "lie of the year," an award they have also bestowed upon our sitting president, in case you think they are just out to get Fox.
I hope you aren't one of those who claims academics and professional fact checkers who all cite their sources directly are PC sissy liberals too. If that is the case, its too late for you I'm afraid.
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If you really believe NPR is not left leaning then I don't know what else to say. I've had people also tell me the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ACLU had no political bias and were loaded with intelligent academics.
Again I had rather listen to good music than to be bored to tears with NPR and doing something constructive rather than watch TV news. But NPR is a boring network on the bottom of the radio dial that is left leaning and filled with left leaning academics that can't keep the network afloat without donations or funding.
by the way... What are the political leanings of these organizations that rate the intelligence and knowledge of specific viewers? I mean a CNN anchor floated the theory that the still missing Malasya air liner was swallowed by a black hole. What is the knowledge of the viewers of his show compared to comparable shows?
BTW: Was it NPR that told you 2015 has been the safest year compared to all others? They need to have those facts checked
Again I had rather listen to good music than to be bored to tears with NPR and doing something constructive rather than watch TV news. But NPR is a boring network on the bottom of the radio dial that is left leaning and filled with left leaning academics that can't keep the network afloat without donations or funding.
by the way... What are the political leanings of these organizations that rate the intelligence and knowledge of specific viewers? I mean a CNN anchor floated the theory that the still missing Malasya air liner was swallowed by a black hole. What is the knowledge of the viewers of his show compared to comparable shows?
BTW: Was it NPR that told you 2015 has been the safest year compared to all others? They need to have those facts checked
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Sorry, it took a minute of disbelief to gather my thoughts due to how absurd this comment is.
State CONTROLLED?
That phrase implies the state sets the agenda for each day, how stories and news pieces are aired, and ensures the state is not cast in a negative light. That is something that should be universally accepted as the working definition of 'state controlled'. If someone disagrees with that, they are arguing to be contrarian or because it hurts their position.
NPR is not state controlled. Its partially state funded, sure. But it is not state controlled.
NPR puts out news and stories each day which display the government and elected officials in a bad light. NPR is critical of local and federal government and politics on a daily basis across the country.
Don't be an asshat and make such absurd claims.
Never said NPR had no "lean" nor did I say CNN was any better than Fox, simply pointed to a study that had tangible results. Fox is the most obvious, flagrant offender in an entire culture of media that has an agenda. CNN is maybe a half step above buzzfeed with their Ebola/Missing plane BS, and MSNBC is becoming the Fox of the left. But we're talking about the "death panel" crowd, the Obama birthers, climate change deniers, evolution deniers, and people who say that the shooting in Charleston is an example of the left's "war on Christians" Fox and its viewers are next-level delusional.
Totally with you on the "I'd rather be listening to music/keeping my blood pressure down, than consuming news media all day" however.
Totally with you on the "I'd rather be listening to music/keeping my blood pressure down, than consuming news media all day" however.
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Find your own source if you want. All you have to do is Google "safest period in human history" and you'll read all about it.
You do know that close and influential supporters of Clinton in the 2008 campaign was ground zero of the birther hysteria don't you?
Well it seems like the obvious choice for a new flag will have some sort of rainbow incorporated into it.
Also never said that the left is without its share of loonies/political "game-players." Clinton essentially is the Democratic establishment and ALL politicians will run smear campaigns against their "allies" during primary season. But lunacy on issues of fact are mainstream in Fox-world. This whole flag debate ties in with the idea of "sticking to your guns" even when it's obvious that you are on the wrong side of history.
Domt google it. Look at the world and decide.
china is rapidly expanding their military and is building submarine bases in international waters while warning other countries to stay away. This threatens all friendly Asian countries that we would have to help defend if China made aggressive moves.
Russa is routinely taunting the US and flying to the edge of our airspace with bombers. Russia is also re establishing their foothold in the Artic. Relations with Russia is as cold as it has been since Gorbechev.
isis is taking over large swaths of Syria and Iraq. This is destabilizing the Middle East and establishing a caliphate that makes Iran look moderate. they are recruiting people in the U.S. For attacks faster than the Feds can find them. One WILL eventually slip through. Homeland security was in oh **** mode all 4th of July holiday and a celebration was cancelled in Europe due to terror threats.
tunisia resort attack that was skillfully carried out
nuclear North Korea with a spoiled 20 something in charge
Yemen, an ally in the Middle East, is struggling to fight off militants
crime in all major cities are increasing. Up a lot in New York.
im sorry but this is not the safest times. Would you rather visit the Middle East in 1995 or 2015?
So Clinton gets a pass as it was political smear...... But the right is still labeled as loons for repeating it for the same reasons. Got it
I didn't "give her a pass," I said the birther movement was BS, I said the left has loons and "game players" and it was an obvious BS petty politics move on her part. You also didn't address any of my other points, climate, "war on christians," Benghazi, evolution, "death panels," the politifact analysis or the Forbes/Fairleigh Dickinson survey. The point about Fox still stands, yes they are loonies and liars, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck (even though he isn't there anymore) the lot of them. Show me one legit survey/article/poll/something that doesn't have Fox viewers at the absolute bottom of the barrel. Please, I'd like to see you try. Happy Hunting
I wouldn't visit the middle east in 2015, 1995, 1975, or any other point. I don't see how the Kurdish Civil War is any better than anything else going on right now.
You obviously choose to live your life in fear, which is fine for you. Don't try to Fox News me into believing that I'm going to die by beheading from an ISIS member on my way to my car one morning right before the Chinese, Iranians, Russians, and North Koreans choose to end the world.
Just because America realized that going to bed with the front door unlocked was a stupid thing to do all of a sudden doesn't mean we're heading for eternal doom. It just means we're more aware, especially of things like ISIS or how we inadvertently terrorize LGBT kids into suicide or even how we fly a pro-slavery flag infront of black American citizens on a daily basis.
You obviously choose to live your life in fear, which is fine for you. Don't try to Fox News me into believing that I'm going to die by beheading from an ISIS member on my way to my car one morning right before the Chinese, Iranians, Russians, and North Koreans choose to end the world.
Just because America realized that going to bed with the front door unlocked was a stupid thing to do all of a sudden doesn't mean we're heading for eternal doom. It just means we're more aware, especially of things like ISIS or how we inadvertently terrorize LGBT kids into suicide or even how we fly a pro-slavery flag infront of black American citizens on a daily basis.
All of the above. The US, including MS have been in a decline in violent crime since the peak 70's. Globally, there are pockets of unrest we pay attention to more today, but the violent crime rate had nosedived, there are fewer conflicts, and fewer people die in those conflicts.
Yes, there are terrible things happening in the world, but there are great things happening too. We know more about the terrible things because technology has allowed us to see and hear more than ever before.
Even in Memphis, which according to the backwoods yahoos on this board is a place where you go and instantly die, crime is declining.
The world is safer, wealthier, and healthier than any time in modern human history.
I'll will answer it all when you show me I ever said I'm defending Fox News, which I already said I didn't watch along with any other TV news.
Im sorry but everyone on the left has given her a pass. Unless I missed where she was asked to defend it. And every who would vote for her has given her a pass.
But referring to Bengazi, who was ultimately responsible for security of the embassy? You want that person as commander in chief?
if you are looking for someone to argue with about how Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is electable, you won't find it here. But don't look for someone who will also sweep Clintons incompetence under the rug.
Im sorry but everyone on the left has given her a pass. Unless I missed where she was asked to defend it. And every who would vote for her has given her a pass.
But referring to Bengazi, who was ultimately responsible for security of the embassy? You want that person as commander in chief?
if you are looking for someone to argue with about how Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is electable, you won't find it here. But don't look for someone who will also sweep Clintons incompetence under the rug.
Maybe if the South didn't spend 150 years after losing the civil war fighting to keep black people from owning property, voting, and attending school we wouldn't have some of the issues we have today.
You complain about Memphis, but realize that the bullet that killed Martin Luther King, also killed Memphis's chances of becoming the next great southern city. It's hate and racism that has poisoned the well of southern success. You want to know what the world's view of the rebel flag is, here's a great example of the image Mississippi set for the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVf3FxKxJU
People act like this stuff is ancient history, but the parents of my friends went to segregated schools. The first generation of African Americans after segregation have just entered senior leadership positions in the past 5-10 years.
When you watch Ross Barnett talk about his love for Mississippi and her "traditions" and "heritage", realize that a lot of the people in that video waving those rebel flags are the parents of our friends and relatives. A lot of people on this board where in school when this happened.
White people hated black people so much, they were willing to fight the national guard to keep them out of school. They used the rebel flag to show their hate. That is the image the rest of America associated with the rebel flag, and with Mississippi. Keeping the rebel flag as part of the state flag just reenforces the idea that MS has not moved past the civil rights era.
i didn't ask if you would.... I ask when would you rather. 2015 is the incorrect answer by the way.
i don't live my life in fear. And again I challenge you to show where I am defending Fox News. I gave you facts and real world situations. Then you deflected. We don't worry about terror here in MS, but it is still real, it happens, and it is a big of a threat now than ever. I don't care who says it. These times are not the safest times and I gave you facts why.
But it please call me a Fox News apologist again.
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Black history month is a time to explore a segment of history, not a political statement on a state symbol. We should never forget the the civil war. We should honor our ancestors, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that they fought for the wrong thing. That lesson belongs in museums, books, schools, movies, and the like.
That state flag stands for all of MS, not just the white folks. It seems to me this is more of a fight against people who have been gaining political power over the years than it is a fight to remember history.
How the 17 is this thinly veiled racist and bigoted thread not locked yet? It's been two days... Some of you mother17ers need to hurry up and die because you're clearly so old and locked in your ways that no amount of logic or reason is going to drill it's way through those enormous melons of yours. You do realize this is what you sound like, right?
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Yeah, that's not what those news releases show. All it showed was that cable television news (including MSNBC) don't really cover international events and that the people that watch them don't get informed otherwise.
And you're 0-2. 10 percent of claims made on Fox do not receive a pants on fire rating. If you're going to criticize other people as being uninformed, you should probably try to hit 50% on your own statements.
ETA: At least twice in the last few years, Politifact's "lie of the year" was not actually a lie but was in fact true. One involving a Mitt ROmney statement about Chrysler jobs in China and one regarding a George Will claim about Ebola transmission. So at best they're only 50% at identifying actual lies as their lies of the year in the last 4 years.
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That is what makes the rest of us hopeful. The spiteful, ignorant, white-supremacist crowd is dying off and thinning out. Some manage to pass on their ideology to their unfortunate offspring, some don't. But the arc of history bends slowly but surely toward justice.
You haven't given me any facts. At all. You made a list of current events.
The Middle East has always been dangerous, as I pointed out with a nod towards the Civil War that was going on in 1995 or the Russian invasion 20 years before that.
The crime rate in your relevant world is the lowest it's been. The average lifespan is longer than it's ever been. Childhood deaths are lower than they've ever been. Diplomacy is as stable as it's ever been, even with you wanting to list off all the countries that are batshit and have been batshit for the last 100 years.
So what do we do when we're not saving 12 year old kids from working in coal mines, ending genocides with ground soldiers, or removing crack from the streets? We realize that we forgot to remove homages to Jim Crowe.
The Middle East has always been dangerous, as I pointed out with a nod towards the Civil War that was going on in 1995 or the Russian invasion 20 years before that.
The crime rate in your relevant world is the lowest it's been. The average lifespan is longer than it's ever been. Childhood deaths are lower than they've ever been. Diplomacy is as stable as it's ever been, even with you wanting to list off all the countries that are batshit and have been batshit for the last 100 years.
So what do we do when we're not saving 12 year old kids from working in coal mines, ending genocides with ground soldiers, or removing crack from the streets? We realize that we forgot to remove homages to Jim Crowe.
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