LOCKED: OT: Ben Carson had a good night.

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GhostOfJackie

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I like Carson too. But actually, I like whoever can go to the general and beat Hillary. Any of them would be better than the **** show we have now.
 

ronpolk

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I thought Carson was ok but I still don't think he can win. He's a very smart guy but I don't think we need a president learning on the fly about so many aspects of the job. I do agree that he's well spoken and very smart though.

I thought CC did well last night and I'm also more intrigued by the Ohio gov. and Rand Paul.
 

GhostOfJackie

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I thought Carson was ok but I still don't think he can win. He's a very smart guy but I don't think we need a president learning on the fly about so many aspects of the job. I do agree that he's well spoken and very smart though.

I thought CC did well last night and I'm also more intrigued by the Ohio gov. and Rand Paul.



I think alot of people got introduced to Kasich last night and they like what they see. Plus, that little thing about winning Ohio.
 

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Reagan’s legacy affected s us dramatically in two ways.

First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
The budget deficit fell, not b/c Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget was reduced by nearly $100 billion.

The second effect of the Reagan years was to launch America into what is now widely regarded as a remarkable 15-year low-inflation, high-employment bull market. These 15 years of prosperity were propelled by Reaganomics: lower tax rates, a long-run decline in inflation and interest rates (which also lowers tax rates), freer international trade and a strong dollar. Even with the anti-supply-side Bush and Clinton tax hikes, the top tax rate of 40% is far below the towering 70% tax rate that disabled the economy in the 1970s.
 

dorndawg

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He's no doubt a very talented doctor but does that mean he's gonna make a good Pres? It's interesting how some people (not specifically the above poster or anything) deify doctors.
 

Sandman.sixpack

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I like Carson too. But actually, I like whoever can go to the general and beat Hillary. Any of them would be better than the **** show we have now.
I totally agree with this! I am for the candidate I feel can win the general election. Our country desperately needs a Republican President the next eight years to try to fix the mess Obama has put us in.
 

Maroonthirteen

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As long as there are lobbyists and politicians of any flavor, we are going to have loopholes and preferential treatment.

But the amount of "flat tax" paid will be based on income. Therefore, people will still hide income, inflate expenses etc etc to avoid paying. You will still need an enforcement staff and someone to collect it.
 

ShrubDog

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No more Bush's or Clinton's. They are cut from the same piece of fabric.
 

tcdog70

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1- Trump was never and will never be a viable candidate. He is an attention *****. He is no statesman. He is no leader of the people. Seriously, when you think Trump, do you in any way think 'leader of the free world'? Of course not. No joke of a new channel could hurt his chances since they were never real to begin with. Its Trump for goodness sake, Trump! I grew up in the Trump era since he has been in the news over the last 30 years- I cant think of him being in the national news for anything selfless and benefitting to society. He is continually in the news for the following- bankruptcy, housing development fights over the height of a flag, real estate development, and television.
I weep for those who look at Trump and think 'man, now he is a leader of the United States'.

2- All debates are awful. 'Winning' the debate is held as some important thing, but is it really? It sure as hell shouldn't be. What you complained about is exactly how 80% of debates work- its a total joke and the candidates go along with it because they are screwed if they don't. Nothing is accomplished, nothing is sorted out, and very little is learned in such large debates.


If you weep about Trump. I'll bet you **** your pants about the fact that Obama is the Leader of The Free World. if I had a choice of Hillary or Obama I'd take the DONALD in a heartbeat.
 

drt7891

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That's what I'm thinking, too. There is far too much division amongst the Republican Party and Cruz, Christy, Trump, and Paul are too divisive and polarizing. I don't see Carson making a real case for the ticket, either (due to some of his statements). The rest just aren't well known, though that could easily change over the next year.

The republicans only chance at not cannibalizing their own candidate (and try to win some swing votes) is to put someone on the ticket who doesn't polarize everyone. The swing votes will depend on who the democrats nominate. If it's Sanders, that can potentially free up a lot of southern democrats because he's further left than even many democrats admit to being.
 

Will James

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Yep. It's going to be Bush with either Kasich or Fiorina as VP on the ticket. And that's about the most electable ticket the Republicans are going to be able to put together.

Bush cannot win. Kaisich even less so.
 

patdog

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And have the same donors.
All Democratic and Republican candidates will have very similar donor lists. All of the big money Wall Street firms and major banks have a policy of balancing their boards of directors equally with major Republicans and Democrats and they donate to both parties equally.
 

tcdog70

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As long as there are lobbyists and politicians of any flavor, we are going to have loopholes and preferential treatment.



But if you did a National Sales Tax and did away with income tax there would be no loop holes. If you purchase anything you would pay the tax-Rich or poor.
 

Will James

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The swing votes will depend on who the democrats nominate. If it's Sanders, that can potentially free up a lot of southern democrats because he's further left than even many democrats admit to being.

Yoh realize popular vote doesn't mean jack, right.

If all Democrats in Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina voted GOP it wouldn't change a thing.

Sanders wont be be the nominee. I predict Biden.
 

KurtRambis4

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Not to dispute your

point about him being outlandish, but if the current clown can be elected twice, I don't think it's too big of a leap to assume Trump could.
 

Bulldogg31

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I've got a good friend here in SC (attorney) who gives big donations to Nikki Haley's campaigns. He also gives big donations to her opponents.

When people ask him why he says, "because one of them will win, and I don't care if the loser's mad at me."
 

dorndawg

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You really don't think a robust black market would not emerge, especially when a national sales tax would have to be about 40% or more?
 

GloryDawg

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All Democratic and Republican candidates will have very similar donor lists. All of the big money Wall Street firms and major banks have a policy of balancing their boards of directors equally with major Republicans and Democrats and they donate to both parties equally.

Trump comfirmed that in the debate.
 

dorndawg

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I should have said, gop voters always fall in line during the nomination process.

As to your comment, overall romney split independents in swing states (not sure I'd call that "cleaning up"), but Obama won more in states that mattered in terms of winning. Also, turnout was not measurably down in reliably red states, so asserting "conservatives stayed home" is not based in reality.
 

GloryDawg

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One thing Trump said last night that I totally agreed with was we have become too politically correct. People should lighten up a little.

Huckabee said something similar in a statement and I agreed with him on it. He said the military should not be used to experiment with political correctness. It should not be a social experiment. The military is for one thing and one thing only and that is to kill. In my opinion I don't care who they let in as long as they can carry a riffle and kick tail. Letting someone in just because they are trans- gender or gay to prove a point is stupid. There should be only one question on the applications. “can you kick ***”
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mstateglfr

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I have always said that anyone who is on welfare shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest. For years politicians, mainly liberals but conservatives as well, have used the entitlements to buy votes.

Anyone who donates to a campaign shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who is related to a candidate shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who has worked for a candidate shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who belongs to a union shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who has donated to the NRA shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who has worked as a lobbyist shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.
Anyone who is in the military shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.

Anyone who has any sort of direct personal benefit to maintaining the status quo shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.

Oh, lets not forget about corporate welfare and bailouts. All employees of companies which have been bailed out by the government shouldn't be able to vote because it is a conflict of interest.


I see no difference between your example and the ones I list. They all directly benefit from a candidate/political position of a party/current government program.
Only difference is that you find poverty to be disgusting and want take away from them something that even most ex-cons can do.
 

mstateglfr

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Not to dispute your point about him being outlandish, but if the current clown can be elected twice, I don't think it's too big of a leap to assume Trump could.

While I disagree with calling Obama a clown, I do understand what you are saying to an extent.

In the public eye, Trump has never shown a hint of interest in bettering society and those around him. He can do whatever he wants with his money, he all too often reminds everyone of that, but his charitable organization is a total joke. The WWE has actually given more to his charity than he has. He has only ever shown an interest in making money for himself.
Contrast that with someone who was a community organizer and worked to represent people at the state and national level. Yes yes yes, that alone doesn't qualify one to be president, I get it and its been said ad naus thru the years. And yet, there is a clear difference in life path.


Who seriously thinks Trump would work to represent everyone in America? Why would anyone think that given all that Trump has said and done thru his life?
Its Trump- he has no foreign relations experience. He has no legislative experience. He has experience working the system to make himself money- that's it. Well, he does have extensive legal experience due to bankruptcy, divorce, and suing people for questioning if he has as much money as he claims.



Trump being elected would push the bar of respectability down to never before explored levels. I get that some argue we are already at unexplored levels, and yet the bar would drop even more.
 

JungRebel

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I will say the most disappointing thing about last night was no mention of Bernie Sanders or Citizens United.
 

Will James

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Trump did his civic duty of raising the alertness, seriousness, and importance of the immigration issue. The country as an American culture (July 4th, Thanksgiving, etc) just basic Americana is rapidly being lost.

He was the snowplow clearing the way for Cruz. That's what will happen. The mass immigration of unskilled uncultured people who have no desire for skills or our culture has to stop.
 
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stupid = misusing ***

The irony of BeardoMSU calling the chairman of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins University (for you liberals, it's a prestigious medical institution in Maryland) 'stupid' is the equivalent of Forrest Gump calling Einstein "stupid".
Oh....damn, you nailed me***
 

NCDawg.sixpack

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I think alot of people got introduced to Kasich last night and they like what they see. Plus, that little thing about winning Ohio.

Agreed. GOP must win Ohio and Florida to win. Kasich/Rubio would make a good ticket in my opinion, and would be hard to beat.
 
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