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It would have been different if the outcome of the egg bowl was reversed? Yea it may have been different if you didn't lose to a team playing their third string QB for three quarters, throw those picks, and personally fumble away the game. Yea it may have been different if it wasn't for that.
That's all on him. If he wouldn't have choked in such drastic fashion on thanksgiving then he'd almost assuredly be 2nd team. Don't blame the voters, blame yourself.
"I didn't think I'd be first. I figured Nick Marshall would be first with the way he led them to a national championship. You can't argue against that,"
Uhm yes Bo, you can argue against that, Florida State won the National Championship.
Uhm yes Bo, you can argue against that, Florida State won the National Championship.
Exactly. 8 yards per catch when you only have to cover half the field isn't anything special. Treadwell caught a LOT of passes. I do not think he is awful but I would be careful of salivating over a guy that averaged 8 yards per catch. Moncrief took a lot of 2 yard passes and turned them into 80. That is something I have yet to see Treadwell do.
And god knows, little Bo doesn't have the arm to throw a 30 yard pass. That is what happened to y'all last year. People realized that they didn't have to play deep man. That could play zone and keep all of it in front of them. We made the mistake in the Egg Bowl 2 years ago of trying to play man all over the filed. That allowed way to much room for the ducks to be completed.
And god knows, little Bo doesn't have the arm to throw a 30 yard pass. That is what happened to y'all last year. People realized that they didn't have to play deep man. That could play zone and keep all of it in front of them. We made the mistake in the Egg Bowl 2 years ago of trying to play man all over the filed. That allowed way to much room for the ducks to be completed.
You always do. Speaking of adequate replacements... What is Michael Spurlock doing these days?
He caught a TON of bubble screens that were essentially run plays, since he was playing the slot. That kept his YPC number well down.
He's moving over to Moncrief's spot this fall, so he will see more downfield throws this year. I don't think Treadwell has elite speed, but he's extremely strong, and he's tough to bring down after the catch.
And yes you're right about Bo's arm at the end of the season. He wasn't throwing it down field at all. That, coupled with the weakness of our interior OL made it easy for decent defenses to stop us. We basically had to run it wide or throw the short passes to move the football, and it's fairly easy to design a defense to make those two things difficult, and essentially dare us to do what we aren't doing well.
We'll see how Bo's arm strength holds up this year, and even bigger than that, we'll see how our OL holds up and whether they can get a consistent push up front to allow us to take advantage when a team gives us numbers for a particular read.
Again, that is why MSU fans know better than the prognosticators this year. We have seen 2 years of "Bo is going to have a strong arm throughout this entire season" talk. He just doesn't have it. Your offense line weakness last year was masked by the fact that you threw the ball on a bubble screen 95% of the time. What we are trying to say is that without a quality receiver on BOTH sides, you limit yourself to half the field. That is why the season ended the way it did for you. Hell, GATech damn near had the ability to beat you because of it. Your offense is based on smoke and mirrors. This year, you have less smoke. Frankly, moving Treadwell to the outside limits his ability in your offense because your QB cannot get it to him when he goes down the field.
"I think just the way I ended the year. If we win that game in Mississippi State the voting is going to be a lot different. The hype is going to be a lot different. So that's why that's happening," Wallace said. "But you know it puts a chip on my shoulder."
He agrees.
He agrees.
I'm sure there are some SEC defenders who enjoyed reading that.
If you are gonna *****, do it over post season selections. Bitching about preseason selections just makes you look bad no matter who you are or play for.
If you are gonna *****, do it over post season selections. Bitching about preseason selections just makes you look bad no matter who you are or play for.
I hate to agree with the OM homers but anybody who has watched Treadwell objectively knows he is a talent and a threat no matter how many ypc, etc he had last year. A beast, I hate to think about matching up with him but like was mentioned we dont have to man him deep which is the way to neutralize his strengths.
I don't agree with the smoke and mirrors comment. Our offense, like any option offense, is based on creating a numbers advantage and then being able to exploit that numbers advantage. You run into problems though when defenses don't have to respect one or two of the options of your offense though, because they'll give you the numbers advantage and STILL win the one on ones to stop you.
We just have to get better up front, and we have to be able to have at least the threat of the deep ball. By the end of the year last year, Bo was pretty much just scared to throw it deep, and so he never did.
I'm not going to get into the Bo's arm strength argument deal. We'll see about that this year. In 2012, he played with a separated throwing shoulder all year, so it's a little unfair to judge him on that season. Last year, they say he lost his strength by the end of the year due to lack of conditioning. I don't know if that's true or not, but we'll find out in 6 weeks or so.
The OL weakness WAS exposed last year. It wasn't hidden by anything. Our interior 3 was simply not talented enough. If we stay healthy, we should be better this year on the OL. Our problem there is lack of SEC-ready depth. We're still a year away on the OL as far as having depth.
On Georgia Tech, the only reason they had a shot against us at all is because we didn't have a kicker.
Coincidentally, just last night I was blushing at dinner, and my wife asked why, and I hemmed and hawed for a bit, but finally I had to sheepishly admit that 10 years ago Cutcliffe and Orgeron failed to play Michael Spurlock in the proper position. Gosh it’s just so damned embarrassing. Glad to finally get that off my chest.
What two yard pass did Moncreif take 80 yards? A lot of his opportunities were jump balls outside, posts, and long developing in routes.
I do think it is hilarious that you say you "wouldn't be salivating over" the 6'3" 230 lbs former #1 WR recruit who caught 70+ balls as a freshman while being asked to play out of position in the slot in an effort to get him on the field with the other top 2 WRs on the team (Logan and Sanders were essentially the same player on one side).
I do think it is hilarious that you say you "wouldn't be salivating over" the 6'3" 230 lbs former #1 WR recruit who caught 70+ balls as a freshman while being asked to play out of position in the slot in an effort to get him on the field with the other top 2 WRs on the team (Logan and Sanders were essentially the same player on one side).
He's playing in the NFL.
Do you think Manning:Spurlock::Moncrief:Treadwell is a great comparison? If so, I would love to do some trading with you.
Do you think Manning:Spurlock::Moncrief:Treadwell is a great comparison? If so, I would love to do some trading with you.
A kicker is what kept a mid level ACC team in the game? You are seriously losing any credibility the more you speak.
And, let me break down smoke and mirrors for you. All offenses attempt to create advantages, of course. However, smoke and mirrors has to do when your offense as some dynamic advantage when really, its just a one dimension offense. Your offense was one dimensional. You threw quick screens 95% of the time. That is why Alabama made you look like a junior high team. It wasn't that they stole your signals. They had speed to be on the bubble screen by the time Bo's weak *** throw got there. They didn't have to play deep because your QB cannot throw deep. The other SEC defenses picked up on this and will only be more versed in it this year as apparently, Freeze doesn't know how to do anything else on offense. You are taking your one remaining star receiver and putting him into a position where you will be less able to showcase him. You will still be throwing bubble screens, only now it is to someone other than your star WR.
And, onto Bo's arm. Do you see how you make an excuse for him for each of the last 2 years? If he is so injured, why would you not play another QB? Conditioning? seriously? He has a weak arm combined with HORRIBLE mechanics. Conditioning is not what makes you throw a duck. That comes from throwing off of your back foot. I still do not understand why you rebels take such offense to any talk about Bo sucking ***.
And, let me break down smoke and mirrors for you. All offenses attempt to create advantages, of course. However, smoke and mirrors has to do when your offense as some dynamic advantage when really, its just a one dimension offense. Your offense was one dimensional. You threw quick screens 95% of the time. That is why Alabama made you look like a junior high team. It wasn't that they stole your signals. They had speed to be on the bubble screen by the time Bo's weak *** throw got there. They didn't have to play deep because your QB cannot throw deep. The other SEC defenses picked up on this and will only be more versed in it this year as apparently, Freeze doesn't know how to do anything else on offense. You are taking your one remaining star receiver and putting him into a position where you will be less able to showcase him. You will still be throwing bubble screens, only now it is to someone other than your star WR.
And, onto Bo's arm. Do you see how you make an excuse for him for each of the last 2 years? If he is so injured, why would you not play another QB? Conditioning? seriously? He has a weak arm combined with HORRIBLE mechanics. Conditioning is not what makes you throw a duck. That comes from throwing off of your back foot. I still do not understand why you rebels take such offense to any talk about Bo sucking ***.
So you're saying we should be playing Treadwell at....OL? I don't get what is so embarrassing about him refusing to switch positions until his SR year.
Do you understand how to use "quotes"? Never did I say that I wouldn't want to have Treadwell. If fact, I believe I said the opposite. However, catching a whole bunch of 8 yard passes without really ever showing the ability to take it the distance WHILE having a deep threat on the other side is a far cry from being the making of a super star of a WR.
You do realize he isn't Calvin Johnson, right?
You do realize he isn't Calvin Johnson, right?
I for one do not take offense. It merely reveals you to be an irrational MSU fan. We certainly have them too. Ours refuse to acknowledge that Dak might just be a good quarterback. Yours are convinced Bo Wallace is a terrible quarterback because of the 2013 Egg Bowl, whereas rational MSU fans remember games such as LSU where he basically carried us to victory and can acknowledge that he's been a pretty good SEC QB for us. I certainly don't expect MSU fans to proclaim Bo a great QB (I don't think he is), but when you trot out the BO SUX!!! garbage, you just reveal yourself to be incapable of rational thought when it comes to UM players.
Exactly, I can't believe he's really bitching over it. He only got voted 3rd team because everyone else is either a new starter, or sucks.
No, not really. If it makes you feel better, I have 508 posts here, but 1228 on Nafoom. If I have time I'll compose a tidy bar graph demonstrating my message board posting proclivities. And I'll have you know I have Nafoom up in another tab and am contemplating a compelling story about beating up a guy in 8th grade.
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