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[T...Chafes]

Conspiracy theories floating on this board:
-Masks don't work
-Covid is a scam
-Trump was robbed
-The national election process has widespread fraud
-Drug companies intentionally passed up the opportunity to make millions of dollars, just to assist in possibly getting Trump voted out


All point to believing Trump's words. And Trump always tells the truth!

So riddle me this....why would drug companies NOT release that they have a vaccine when they knew that Trump would be gone anyway (because the Dems could fudge the results anyway?)

And why did a lot of Republicans get voted in office, while in the same county the same voters voted for Biden for Prez? Why would Dems not fudge those as well? (On a related note, I voted for Don Bacon and Biden, cause Trump is an ***. I'm sure 1,000s of others did as well).

 

[dinglefritz]

Conspiracy theories floating on this board:
-Masks don't work
-Covid is a scam
-Trump was robbed
-The national election process has widespread fraud
-Drug companies intentionally passed up the opportunity to make millions of dollars, just to assist in possibly getting Trump voted out


All point to believing Trump's words. All Trump always tells the truth!

So riddle me this....why would drug companies NOT release that they have a vaccine when they knew that Trump would be gone anyway (because the Dems could fudge the results anyway?)

And why did a lot of Republicans get voted in office, while in the same county the same voters voted for Biden for Prez? Why would Dems not fudge those as well? (On a related note, I voted for Don Bacon and Biden, cause Trump is an ***. I'm sure 1,000s of others did as well).

Supposedly there were thousands of mail in ballots turned in in Philadephia and Madison WI that only had the Presidential race box checked and those ballots were overwhelmingly for Biden. That was one of the problem the observers in Philadelphia questioned but they weren't allowed to inspect the ballots. Answer this question for me. Why did a young BLACK Republican Senate candidate who had a fairly large lead going in to counting mail in ballots supposedly overwhelmingly lose the mail in vote in predominately black districts in Detroit to an old fat white liberal incumbent? Seems a little fishy don't you think?

 

[Capdanjou]

Why? Because CNN and MSNBC tells them so? The question isn't whether there was widespread fraud in Democrat controlled cities. There was from harvested ballots to ineligible voters. The question is whether or not Trump or anybody else can do anything about it and the answer to that is no. A high ranking U.S. Senator has told a close friend of mine exactly that. We'll find out in about March that in fact there were thousands of fraudulently cast ballots counted. I don't know if it would have been enough for Trump but it sure makes people very skeptical about our election process.

Trump would have to overturn 150,000 votes in Michigan to win. That's not a few hundred ballots, or even a few thousand. Biden took Pennsylvania by more than 80,000 votes. These are NOT small numbers. These are landslide victories. You keep talking about rampant fraud, mostly because you want to see it there, but none of these allegations have made more than a dent in the results, or in the court of law. These things have been occurring in our system for many years. You're only railing against them now because you just watched Hannity or Tucker, or maybe you read a tweet that got you convinced that you know what you're talking about. Eventually the truth emerges, often in a court of law, not from a friend of a friend. When put to the test, Trump's lawyers have nothing but unsubstantiated rumor and the judge tosses them out of his/her courtroom. Improve voting security? Fine. But I assume that means actually securing the vote for everyone, not just the people you want to see vote.

 

[nu2u]

By the statistics I've seen, there is no doubt that thousands of ballots were illegally cast in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh as well as in Detroit Michigan.

What statistics are you talking about?

 

[schuele]

Answer this question for me. Why did a young BLACK Republican Senate candidate who had a fairly large lead going in to counting mail in ballots supposedly overwhelmingly lose the mail in vote in predominately black districts in Detroit to an old fat white liberal incumbent? Seems a little fishy don't you think?

Good Lord, I was just kidding - but he posted it again!

 

[dinglefritz]

Trump would have to overturn 150,000 votes in Michigan to win. That's not a few hundred ballots, or even a few thousand. Biden took Pennsylvania by more than 80,000 votes. These are NOT small numbers. These are landslide victories. You keep talking about rampant fraud, mostly because you want to see it there, but none of these allegations have made more than a dent in the results, or in the court of law. These things have been occurring in our system for many years. You're only railing against them now because you just watched Hannity or Tucker, or maybe you read a tweet that got you convinced that you know what you're talking about. Eventually the truth emerges, often in a court of law, not a from a friend of a friend. When put to the test, Trump's lawyers have nothing but unsubstantiated rumor and the judge tosses them out of his/her courtroom. Improve voting security? Fine. But I assume that means actually securing the vote for everyone, not just the people you want to see vote.

As I said, I didn't think even if Trump could have had access to the evidence that proved fraud he was unlikely to win the election for him. I haven't watched Hannity for years and rarely watch Tucker. I watch more CNN than anything and lately I don't watch any of it.

The interesting thing is that YOUR party is standing in the way of improving security for elections and in California and Pennsylvania they've actually passed laws that make it easier to commit fraud. Ballot harvesting is legal in California and the last minute removal of some requirements in Pennsylvania in an unconstitutional manner is probably why their AG said weeks ago "that there's no way we'll let Trump win Pennsylvania". IF Trump has an argument to make in court it is that some of the voting rule changes in some states were unconstitutional. The obvious problem is that any findings that effect would be just a tad too late for him.

Meanwhile we HAVE to put in place IMO some minimum standards to be followed by states for national elections AND ballot harvesting should be illegal and a felony for all parties resulting in mandatory prison sentences. It's just INSANE to allow operatives to go around and pick up ballots without IDs or even signatures required.

 

[dinglefritz]

What statistics are you talking about?

There were more votes for instance cast in come districts in Philadelphia than there are registered voters. There's multiple instances where the voting patterns don't make sense. Clearly much of that is the mail in ballots. Did people get ballots who had moved or died? Did addresses get ballots meant for a previous resident who in turn voted in person? Who the hell knows. You get rid of mailing ballots to last known addresses and make people request a ballot. Then you make damned sure they're eligible to vote. It's been widely reported that there have been computer errors where somehow 1300 votes turned in to 13,000 votes. I just heard that discovery from the recount in Georgia due to a software problem....or human "error". I just don't have much faith in the way some states ran their election this year.

 

[huskernation1973]

I would be betraying a trust if I named him. He's not someone who liked Trump in the least bit and he's not a guest on national news media. Considering the rank in his party, he's very bipartisan and couldn't stand Trump. Actually called for him to step down from his candidacy 4 years ago. He was very good friends with John McCain.

That's a cop-out. The person is a Senator.

 

[steinek11]

We’ve had absentee voting since the Civil War, so “getting back” is a hell of a long way back.

We've never had massive mailing voting. There's a very good reason Western countries reject it. if you're a democrat, you want more of it because it's the easiest way to cheat.

 

[schuele]

There's multiple instances where the voting patterns don't make sense.

You mean like the voting pattern in Detroit that you keep citing? You know, the one that repeatedly makes us laugh our asses off.

 

[Capdanjou]

Supposedly there were thousands of mail in ballots turned in in Philadephia and Madison WI that only had the Presidential race box checked and those ballots were overwhelmingly for Biden. That was one of the problem the observers in Philadelphia questioned but they weren't allowed to inspect the ballots. Answer this question for me. Why did a young BLACK Republican Senate candidate who had a fairly large lead going in to counting mail in ballots supposedly overwhelmingly lose the mail in vote in predominately black districts in Detroit to an old fat white liberal incumbent? Seems a little fishy don't you think?

You're basing your "knowledge" on something you assume to be fishy? Trump's lawyers are essentially engaging in the same wild speculation based on rumor and "fishy" outcomes in court and its going nowhere because their claims are without merit. If the corruption is all so plainly obvious then where is the Justice Department? I hate being the guy that says "show me the proof" knowing full well that the average person just isn't privy to what's going on behind the scenes, but I'm so sick of reading conservatives post freaking conspiracies that are transparent garbage to everyone except them.

 

[dinglefritz]

You mean like the voting pattern in Detroit that you keep citing? You know, the one that repeatedly makes us laugh our asses off.

Whatever. Explain to me why the old fat white liberal had a check box next to his name on all of those mail in ballots in Detroit? Frankly, I'm not concerned about Trump losing. I don't like the guy. What I AM concerned about for the future of our country is the cluster f that this election was. Confidence in elections is CRUCIAL to the survival of our democracy. You do remember the FACT that Daly machine stole the election for JFK in Chicago right? I don't think the election was close enough for that to happen this time but that doesn't mean that some people didn't want to make sure of the outcome.

Actually that is the one thing that didn't make sense to me. When I mention voting patterns though, I'm just repeating what a high ranking U.S. Senator who hates Trump said in private to a very good friend of mine. I think he would know.

 

[schuele]

Whatever. Explain to me why the old fat white liberal had a check box next to his name on all of those mail in ballots in Detroit? Frankly, I'm not concerned about Trump losing. I don't like the guy. What I AM concerned about for the future of our country is the cluster f that this election was. Confidence in elections is CRUCIAL to the survival of our democracy. You do remember the FACT that Daly machine stole the election for JFK in Chicago right? I don't think the election was close enough for that to happen this time but that doesn't mean that some people didn't want to make sure of the outcome.

Actually that is the one thing that didn't make sense to me. When I mention voting patterns though, I'm just repeating what a high ranking U.S. Senator who hates Trump said in private to a very good friend of mine. I think he would know.

For what seems like the 15th time, the voters in Detroit overwhelming preferred an old, white liberal over the exact same GOP candidate two years ago. There's absolutely nothing about that "voting pattern" that doesn't make perfect sense.

And maybe your very good friend just likes to name-drop, because it makes him feel important. I hear that can be contagious.

 

[nu2u]

There were more votes for instance cast in come districts in Philadelphia than there are registered voters.

This is blatantly false.

I guess it boils down to this: America has a system to resolve these type of claims. a) the claim is filed in a court of law. b) evidence is introduced to prove or disprove the claim. c) a Judge decides if the evidence is sufficient to prove the claim; and d) if there is sufficient proof, a remedy is imposed; if there is insufficient proof, the claim is dismissed.

Here is a statistic for you - presently, the Trump campaign has had 25 of 26 election claims dismissed by a court of law. If there was proof of voting irregularities, the Trump campaign should file a case and submit them for legal scrutiny. So far, those claims have been universally rejected by the courts. No finding of widespread fraud or voting irregularities.

 

[dinglefritz]

This is blatantly false.

I guess it boils down to this: America has a system to resolve these type of claims. a) the claim is filed in a court of law. b) evidence is introduced to prove or disprove the claim. c) a Judge decides if the evidence is sufficient to prove the claim; and d) if there is sufficient proof, a remedy is imposed; if there is insufficient proof, the claim is dismissed.

Here is a statistic for you - presently, the Trump campaign has had 25 of 26 election claims dismissed by a court of law. If there was proof of voting irregularities, the Trump campaign should file a case and submit them for legal scrutiny. So far, those claims have been universally rejected by the courts. No finding of widespread fraud or voting irregularities.

You can NOT prove or disprove a claim when they throw away the envelopes the ballots came in, which they did. It's pretty damned hard to prove anything claimed by poll watchers to a judge when evidence is destroyed.

 

[dinglefritz]

For what seems like the 15th time, the voters in Detroit overwhelming preferred an old, white liberal over the exact same GOP candidate two years ago. There's absolutely nothing about that "voting pattern" that doesn't make perfect sense.

And maybe your very good friend just likes to name-drop, because it makes him feel important. I hear that can be contagious.

Fraud last time too huh. Makes sense.

Umm no. They've been friends for 50 years and were next door neighbors. My buddy has been a guest of him and had dinner with McCain in the Senate dining room. I've had dinner with the Senator and my buddy several times. The Senator was raised a Democrat but his whole family flipped some where along the line due to the slide of the Democrat values.

 

[MOHUSKER]

This is blatantly false.

I guess it boils down to this: America has a system to resolve these type of claims. a) the claim is filed in a court of law. b) evidence is introduced to prove or disprove the claim. c) a Judge decides if the evidence is sufficient to prove the claim; and d) if there is sufficient proof, a remedy is imposed; if there is insufficient proof, the claim is dismissed.

Here is a statistic for you - presently, the Trump campaign has had 25 of 26 election claims dismissed by a court of law. If there was proof of voting irregularities, the Trump campaign should file a case and submit them for legal scrutiny. So far, those claims have been universally rejected by the courts. No finding of widespread fraud or voting irregularities.

But Dingle knows a high boomer dude who’s seen the evidence, they just can’t show it yet. But it’s coming along any day now, and when it does, all those votes will just disappear, it will be a Christmas surprise, just watch.

 

[MOHUSKER]

You can NOT prove or disprove a claim when they throw away the envelopes the ballots came in, which they did. It's pretty damned hard to prove anything claimed by poll watchers to a judge when evidence is destroyed.

If you can’t prove it, what are we doing then besides wasting tax payer dollars and delaying the transition?

 

[schuele]

Fraud last time too huh. Makes sense.

Good one! So why would the LIBS! bother to fix an election in 2018 that wasn't even close, and didn't include a presidential ticket?

Why don't you stop beating this dead horse before it's completely decomposed? At this point it's just downright embarrassing.

 

[dinglefritz]

If you can’t prove it, what are we doing then besides wasting tax payer dollars and delaying the transition?

At some point somebody has to call people out for f'ing with the elections. I would say that if it was the other way around. Some things are just right. Let the light shine on the process instead of taping paper over windows like they did in at least one case. Keep the damned envelopes. Then there's no question.

I don't know what the rush is. Biden hasn't been confirmed as President by the Electoral college. The President isn't inaugerated for OVER 2 MONTHS. How long does he need to get ready to serve? Every single bureaucrat will still be doing their job when Sleepy Joe finally gets to start his tansistion and unlike Obama's, Trump's staff won't remove every shred of information.

 

[Capdanjou]

If you can’t prove it, what are we doing then besides wasting tax payer dollars and delaying the transition?

Dingle's claim that there is proof of something having occurred beyond any doubt, yet there is no evidence so it can't be proved is like the Triple Lindy of illogical logic.

 

[dinglefritz]

Good one! So why would the LIBS! bother to fix an election in 2018 that wasn't even close, and didn't include a presidential ticket?

Why don't you stop beating this dead horse before it's completely decomposed? At this point it's just downright embarrassing.

You are confused. James lost to an old white liberal woman 2 years ago by 6%. Hardly a wide margin. Still puzzling that these old white liberals keep beating a young black man in the polls in Detroit.

 

[schuele]

You are confused. James lost to an old white liberal woman 2 years ago by 6%. Hardly a wide margin. Still puzzling that these old white liberals keep beating a young black man in the polls in Detroit.

This is only puzzling if you never talk to anyone outside of your little echo chamber. If this is your threshold for voter fraud, no wonder you keep bleating the same talking points over and over and over again.

 

[Capdanjou]

You are confused. James lost to an old white liberal woman 2 years ago by 6%. Hardly a wide margin. Still puzzling that these old white liberals keep beating a young black man in the polls in Detroit.

I see what you're trying to say, but the logic is lazy. It would be like arguing that it's fishy or puzzling that so many Latinos on the Texas-Mexico border voted for Trump. Do you know anything about the candidates in Detroit? Maybe that old white liberal has deep roots in the community, or perhaps he ran a better campaign.

 

[dinglefritz]

This is only puzzling if you never talk to anyone outside of your little echo chamber. If this is your threshold for voter fraud, no wonder you keep bleating the same talking points over and over and over again.

Why I'm reading LOTS of people outside of my "echo chamber" right now. As of right now I don't see any proof that there wasn't voter fraud. That's kind of the point. When you run an election the way things were run in some states this year, it introduces a large potential for fraud. Then when you destroy evidence that could have proven ballots were valid it further destroys the credibility of the results. Let the light shine and run elections the way they should be run instead of like a 3rd world banana republic.

 

[dinglefritz]

I see what you're trying to say, but the logic is lazy. It would be like arguing that it's fishy or puzzling that so many Latinos on the Texas-Mexico border voted for Trump. Do you know anything about the candidates in Detroit? Maybe that old white liberal has deep roots in the community, or perhaps he ran a better campaign.

Maybe. Or maybe there was a little ballot harvesting that went on. Look I know those districts are heavily Democrat but James had a significant lead heading in to counting those largely black districts. I just find it hard to believe that a young black candidate lost by that many votes in the mail in vote in those districts.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Good one! So why would the LIBS! bother to fix an election in 2018 that wasn't even close, and didn't include a presidential ticket?

Why don't you stop beating this dead horse before it's completely decomposed? At this point it's just downright embarrassing.

And why would they stop at the White House? Surely they could have flipped a couple of other senate seats right?

At some point somebody has to call people out for f'ing with the elections. I would say that if it was the other way around. Some things are just right. Let the light shine on the process instead of taping paper over windows like they did in at least one case. Keep the damned envelopes. Then there's no question.

I don't know what the rush is. Biden hasn't been confirmed as President by the Electoral college. The President isn't inaugerated for OVER 2 MONTHS. How long does he need to get ready to serve? Every single bureaucrat will still be doing their job when Sleepy Joe finally gets to start his tansistion and unlike Obama's, Trump's staff won't remove every shred of information.

You are blind, only one election in recent history hasn’t had a smooth transfer of power, and that was 2000 when Florida was the tipping point and was within 1000 votes. For Trump to win, there would have to be widespread fraud across 3 states that could be proven, which you admitted couldn’t happen.

Here was a lesson learned 20 years ago

While the 9/11 Commission’s proposal for reorganization of the intelligence community had the most lasting impact, it also warned about the need to address “as much as possible the disruption of national security policymaking during the change of administrations by accelerating the process for national security appointments.” Its recommendations for a seamless transition included allowing the possible successor even before the election to “submit the names of selected members of their prospective transition teams to the FBI so that, if necessary, those team members can obtain security clearances immediately after the election is over.” It also recommended that immediately after the election, the president-elect should be allowed to begin the process of obtaining security clearances for his national security picks “so that their background investigations can be complete before January 20.” (The commission also urged quick submission of national security nominees and approval by the Senate within 30 days of Jan. 20.)

 

[steinek11]

You mean like the voting pattern in Detroit that you keep citing? You know, the one that repeatedly makes us laugh our asses off.

I guess you're smarter than the MIT professor who invented email

 

[schuele]

Maybe. Or maybe there was a little ballot harvesting that went on. Look I know those districts are heavily Democrat but James had a significant lead heading in to counting those largely black districts. I just find it hard to believe that a young black candidate lost by that many votes in the mail in vote in those districts.

Even though he lost Wayne County by an even wider margin in the 2018 election, before mail-in voting was expanded? Of course you find the 2020 results hard to believe, because you’re doubling down on a conspiracy theory that didn’t make sense the first five times you posted it.

 

[Capdanjou]

Why I'm reading LOTS of people outside of my "echo chamber" right now. As of right now I don't see any proof that there wasn't voter fraud. That's kind of the point. When you run an election the way things were run in some states this year, it introduces a large potential for fraud. Then when you destroy evidence that could have proven ballots were valid it further destroys the credibility of the results. Let the light shine and run elections the way they should be run instead of like a 3rd world banana republic.

So, I actually do have a friend who is an attorney in the Department of Justice. I mention this for two reasons. The first is that he is very conservative, so this isn't a liberal perspective. And the second is that he has a unique insight into the matter of voter fraud. He said there is absolutely is voter fraud in every election. However, it is not a major issue, and it does not occur on a massive scale, as Trump is claiming.

 

[dinglefritz]

So, I actually do have a friend who is an attorney in the Department of Justice. I mention this for two reasons. The first is that he is very conservative, so this isn't a liberal perspective. And the second is that he has a unique insight into the matter of voter fraud. He said there is absolutely is voter fraud in every election. However, it is not a major issue, and it does not occur on a massive scale, as Trump is claiming.

Then Philadelphia shouldn't be concerned by people looking over their shoulders then should they? I think especially with mail in voting and the advent of online tabulation of votes, the probability of wide spread fraud has been elevated considerably. The one KNOWN computer error in Georgia was 10,000 votes.

 

[Capdanjou]

Maybe. Or maybe there was a little ballot harvesting that went on. Look I know those districts are heavily Democrat but James had a significant lead heading in to counting those largely black districts. I just find it hard to believe that a young black candidate lost by that many votes in the mail in vote in those districts.

Why, because he's black and the voters were predominantly black? That seems like a pretty superficial observation to base a fraud claim on. Do you know anything about the candidates? Was the white guy the incumbent? Was the black guy a newcomer to the political game? I'm trying to roll with this conversation, but you're making it hard.

 

[steinek11]

And why would they stop at the White House? Surely they could have flipped a couple of other senate seats right?


You are blind, only one election in recent history hasn’t had a smooth transfer of power, and that was 2000 when Florida was the tipping point and was within 1000 votes. For Trump to win, there would have to be widespread fraud across 3 states that could be proven, which you admitted couldn’t happen.

Here was a lesson learned 20 years ago

I don't know how many times I have to say it until it registers through your thick skull. Dominion Voter Systems with Smartmatic software shifted votes from Trump to Biden. That is the investigation. To say that is not possible is just willful ignorance.

 

[dinglefritz]

Even though he lost Wayne County by an even wider margin in the 2018 election, before mail-in voting was expanded? Of course you find the 2020 results hard to believe, because you’re doubling down on a conspiracy theory that didn’t make sense the first five times you posted it.

I might find your explanation reasonable. I haven't seen any source suggesting my concern about the way that shook out of James in Michigan. It wasn't a conspiracy theory. The results surprised me.

 

[dinglefritz]

Why, because he's black and the voters were predominantly black? That seems like a pretty superficial observation to base fraud claim on. Do you know anything about the candidates? Was the white guy the incumbent? Was the black guy a newcomer to the political game? I'm trying to roll with this conversation, but you're making it hard.

He ran for the Senate last time in 2018 against another old white politician ( Stabenow) and only lost by 6%.

 

[MOHUSKER]

You are confused. James lost to an old white liberal woman 2 years ago by 6%. Hardly a wide margin. Still puzzling that these old white liberals keep beating a young black man in the polls in Detroit.

Peters won in 2008, flipping a Republican seat, retained it in 2010. After redistricting he won again in 2012. In 2014 he ran for the senate and won by 13.3%, he was re-elected in 2020 despite hope that James could win over black voters.

Maybe he’s figured out a way to steal 5 elections, or maybe the voters just prefer to vote for him and/or the party.

 

[dinglefritz]

Peters won in 2008, flipping a Republican seat, retained it in 2010. After redistricting he won again in 2012. In 2014 he ran for the senate and won by 13.3%, he was re-elected in 2020 despite hope that James could win over black voters.

Maybe he’s figured out a way to steal 5 elections, or maybe the voters just prefer to vote for him and/or the party.

Sounds like fraud to me. Any old white liberal is a fraud.

 

[schuele]

Peters won in 2008, flipping a Republican seat, retained it in 2010. After redistricting he won again in 2012. In 2014 he ran for the senate and won by 13.3%, he was re-elected in 2020 despite hope that James could win over black voters.

Maybe he’s figured out a way to steal 5 elections, or maybe the voters just prefer to vote for him and/or the party.

James actually ran far, far better than he did against Stabenow. There was a Green Party candidate in 2018 who pulled some votes from both, but any objective analysis suggests those were mostly people for whom Stabenow isn’t sufficiently liberal. James is a pretty solid candidate, but that race really wasn’t very close. The fact that he nearly unseated Peters two years later when there was neither a red wave nor a blue wave anywhere to be found is a strange argument for voter fraud.

 

[MOHUSKER]

I don't know how many times I have to say it until it registers through your thick skull. Dominion Voter Systems with Smartmatic software shifted votes from Trump to Biden. That is the investigation. To say that is not possible is just willful ignorance.

Oh the conspiracy porn...Dominion Voter Systems and Smartmatic are competing companies

But this should all be easy to prove, so why aren’t they?

 

[huskerfan1000]

The voter fraud is super easy to see, in 2016 I watched county by county come in I was doing the same thing in 2020. u could compare 2016 to 2020, trump was over performing from 2016 in every county in the 1st 2 hours and he won Florida by 4% vs .5% in 2016, those improvements were holding up everywhere, he was way ahead in va penn wis mich, then they stopped counting there for the night, then at 330 in morning they started again??????????????? and biden got a 140k to 0 and other similar drops I mean how obvious could it be. The dead people voting the vids of people tearing up trump votes, the perfectly filled out ballot like were printed on a machine, the 450k votes for biden only and no ballots like that for trump. Big improvements in latin and black votes, the software programmed to switch votes. The list goes on and on. Now some of these might be refuted because there are so many layers of deception. Its the easiest to see fraud Ive ever seen in my life. even my democrat friends admit its obvious to see but they hate trump so much they say its ok.