Literally Socialism

[ANEW]

You are drastically understating what went on under Biden at the border. Never have we seen the hordes of migrants looking to come into the country, some to work and some to cause trouble. Moreover, the Biden administration removed BP officers from normal LE duties to migrant caretaker. The problem was this wasn’t done for labor, it was done to destabilize the country and wreak havoc, specifically in elections. Finally, shame on you for celebrating the exploitation of these people to work for pittance. It’s gross. If it’s so important to you to have cheap avacados that you’d send kids to work on farms you probably should check yourself. As others have stated. Immigration should be reserved for those that want to assimilate and contribute, not sneak in and send money back to their countries.

And then there are all the kids and women that were exploited and trafficked for sex.

 

[MTTiger19]

And then there are all the kids and women that were exploited and trafficked for sex.

They don’t know what women are, can’t be defined. You mean all the birthing people.

I’m kidding of course, but yes, this is another issue.

 

[dbjork6317]

No need for artificial minimum wages. If you get rid of the illegals the wages will rise naturally.

You have way too much faith in the handful of corporations that have monopolized our economy and rigged the game for themselves.

The last time we saw any meaningful wage movement was during/immediately after the pandemic, when people could afford not to work because of government programs that propped them up. This forced private employers to increase wages and improve overall working conditions to attract workers to jobs they no longer had to do.

was this a good thing? Bad thing? Probably up for debate, but the system we have is that people are forced to work regardless of the wage because we have such a poor social safety net and, more importantly, because virtually everyone’s healthcare is dependent on having a job.

Imagine if employers could not longer hold you hostage with health benefits - they’d have no choice but to improve pay and other benefits or lose significant chunks of their workforce.

 

[MTTiger19]

You have way too much faith in the handful of corporations that have monopolized our economy and rigged the game for themselves.

The last time we saw any meaningful wage movement was during/immediately after the pandemic, when people could afford not to work because of government programs that propped them up. This forced private employers to increase wages and improve overall working conditions to attract workers to jobs they no longer had to do.

was this a good thing? Bad thing? Probably up for debate, but the system we have is that people are forced to work regardless of the wage because we have such a poor social safety net and, more importantly, because virtually everyone’s healthcare is dependent on having a job.

Imagine if employers could not longer hold you hostage with health benefits - they’d have no choice but to improve pay and other benefits or lose significant chunks of their workforce.

Who’s going to pay? In your scenario, who’s going to pay the surgeon, the doctors, the nurses, the anesthesiologist, the staff, the janitors? Who’s paying for diagnostics and MRI’s, diabetes pumps, prescription medication for all the disease states we lead the world in? Socialized medicine is a train wreck and our current system isn’t great, but it’s better than that. So, who’s paying? What the government did during COVID was dumb. They locked down our country for no reason, then paid people more than they were making to sit at home. There’s several theories on why they did this but that’s not the point.

 

[fatpiggy]

You have way too much faith in the handful of corporations that have monopolized our economy and rigged the game for themselves.

The last time we saw any meaningful wage movement was during/immediately after the pandemic, when people could afford not to work because of government programs that propped them up. This forced private employers to increase wages and improve overall working conditions to attract workers to jobs they no longer had to do.

was this a good thing? Bad thing? Probably up for debate, but the system we have is that people are forced to work regardless of the wage because we have such a poor social safety net and, more importantly, because virtually everyone’s healthcare is dependent on having a job.

Imagine if employers could not longer hold you hostage with health benefits - they’d have no choice but to improve pay and other benefits or lose significant chunks of their workforce.

isn’t that what Obamacare is ? You can get insurance without employment?

Our health insurance system is broken, we can agree on that.

All the increased wages and working conditions after COVID, lead directly to the highest inflation in 50 years. It was just printed money and it’s a large part of the reason why everything costs so much these days.

You need real economic growth to get bigger wages and better working conditions, not just printed money. I am for reducing regulations to encourage growth.

America innovates while Europe regulates is a saying that comes to mind.

 

[dbjork6317]

isn’t that what Obamacare is ? You can get insurance without employment?

Our health insurance system is broken, we can agree on that.

All the increased wages and working conditions after COVID, lead directly to the highest inflation in 50 years. It was just printed money and it’s a large part of the reason why everything costs so much these days.

You need real economic growth to get bigger wages and better working conditions, not just printed money. I am for reducing regulations to encourage growth.

America innovates while Europe regulates is a saying that comes to mind.

Obamacare is like putting a bandaid on a punctured artery. The version that passed was so watered down it might as well have been a bud light.

We need single payer. Replace social security with Medicare for all and the tax burden is minimal while the societal benefits are tremendous.

And wouldn’t it be better for employers to not have to pay for their employees’ health coverage? Wouldn’t that free up some cash for them to innovate with?

 

[MTTiger19]

Obamacare is like putting a bandaid on a punctured artery. The version that passed was so watered down it might as well have been a bud light.

We need single payer. Replace social security with Medicare for all and the tax burden is minimal while the societal benefits are tremendous.

And wouldn’t it be better for employers to not have to pay for their employees’ health coverage? Wouldn’t that free up some cash for them to innovate with?

Who’s paying for all this? Your solution is free healthcare for everyone, by paying for it with SS. You do realize SS is almost bankrupt right? These ideas are pipe dreams. We had a really good system prior to Obamas destruction of the middle class.

 

[baltimorened]

Do illegals add to the demand for healthcare, housing, schools - absolutely. But they also provide a huge economic boost to the economy - they add about $1T a year in GDP. Pay $100B in taxes every year, and contribute $25B to social security.

They also are a huge share of the construction industry, building those new schools and healthcare facilities. And there is also the obvious agriculture contribution.

Americans have proven time and time again they don’t want those jobs. Your unemployed neighbor is not moving to California to pick tomatoes all day in 95 degree heat. I’d venture to say that you could double HIS last salary and he still wouldn’t move for that job, let alone do it for a couple bucks an hour.

I don’t have a problem providing these people with healthcare and their kids with education. It’s good for the economy and we are constantly investing tax dollars in places that get a lower return. Look at all the incentives given for things like sports arenas, or new office parks. Those will put much more of a strain on infrastructure than the illegals who are building them and cleaning them.

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but for your consideration. First of all your numbers. It would be great if they were true, but these numbers come from the government and, if we've learned anything about government statistics, they can't be trusted. Plus, you gaave one side of the ledger - what they contribute. You have to also consider what they take...healthcare, education, housing etc. The state of NY has paid more than the $100B you highlighted just on migrant housing and care.

Next, one of the reasons Americans won't do those jobs is that we "pay" them more to do nothing - welfare, SNAP, Medicaid, rent assistance, free phones, etc. But, that's a debate for another thread.

I think most of us would welcome legal migrants. It's those that come illegally that cause the issues. I think we all could likely agree that we need some new immigration laws that welcome migrants, give them work permits, residency permits without citizenship. That's the way a lot, if not most, of other nations deal with it. There's a way to solve this problem, we just don't have leaders who are willing to go down that path

 

[MTTiger19]

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but for your consideration. First of all your numbers. It would be great if they were true, but these numbers come from the government and, if we've learned anything about government statistics, they can't be trusted. Plus, you gaave one side of the ledger - what they contribute. You have to also consider what they take...healthcare, education, housing etc. The state of NY has paid more than the $100B you highlighted just on migrant housing and care.

Next, one of the reasons Americans won't do those jobs is that we "pay" them more to do nothing - welfare, SNAP, Medicaid, rent assistance, free phones, etc. But, that's a debate for another thread.

I think most of us would welcome legal migrants. It's those that come illegally that cause the issues. I think we all could likely agree that we need some new immigration laws that welcome migrants, give them work permits, residency permits without citizenship. That's the way a lot, if not most, of other nations deal with it. There's a way to solve this problem, we just don't have leaders who are willing to go down that path

Illegals are a net negative on our economy. Anyone with a functioning brain can figure that out. California paid over $9.5 billion in healthcare costs for illegals last year alone. Not to mention how much, as you alluded to, it costs to feed them, house them, provide legal services for them, education for their children, as well as benefits they shouldn’t be eligible for, etc….

 

[MTTiger19]

Obamacare is like putting a bandaid on a punctured artery. The version that passed was so watered down it might as well have been a bud light.

We need single payer. Replace social security with Medicare for all and the tax burden is minimal while the societal benefits are tremendous.

And wouldn’t it be better for employers to not have to pay for their employees’ health coverage? Wouldn’t that free up some cash for them to innovate with?

This is a story from a doctor, basically giving you an anecdote about the state of affairs under Obamacare. This is the lefts savior and he destroyed our middle class. Obamacare sucks ***. It was a shell game. Get the middle class to pay 4x-8x what their healthcare costs are so we can use what’s left on the people that won’t work. The crazy part is you’re proposing Obamacare on steroids with a single payer, why would you want to give them more control? And explain the “minimum tax burden” claim please, I’m unaware of HCPs that practice for free.

 

[Rastafarian]

Wh

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but for your consideration. First of all your numbers. It would be great if they were true, but these numbers come from the government and, if we've learned anything about government statistics, they can't be trusted. Plus, you gaave one side of the ledger - what they contribute. You have to also consider what they take...healthcare, education, housing etc. The state of NY has paid more than the $100B you highlighted just on migrant housing and care.

Next, one of the reasons Americans won't do those jobs is that we "pay" them more to do nothing - welfare, SNAP, Medicaid, rent assistance, free phones, etc. But, that's a debate for another thread.

I think most of us would welcome legal migrants. It's those that come illegally that cause the issues. I think we all could likely agree that we need some new immigration laws that welcome migrants, give them work permits, residency permits without citizenship. That's the way a lot, if not most, of other nations deal with it. There's a way to solve this problem, we just don't have leaders who are willing to go down that path

Where are you getting that $100b figure from? I find it hard to believe considering the entire budget for New York State is $250B.

 

[MTTiger19]

Wh

Where are you getting that $100b figure from? I find it hard to believe considering the entire budget for New York State is $250B.

You can spin it anyway you want. They’re a net negative period. Even by your own statistics, if illegals paid the $100 billion in taxes as the left claims, that is still ONLY 1.9% of tax revenues collected by our government. 1.9%. That’s their contribution. They cost a hell of a lot more than that. Not to mention there’s a ton of them that act as if they’re doing us a favor for being here breaking our laws and mooching off our system.

 

[Rastafarian]

You can spin it anyway you want. They’re a net negative period. Even by your own statistics, if illegals paid the $100 billion in taxes as the left claims, that is still ONLY 1.9% of tax revenues collected by our government. 1.9%. That’s their contribution. They cost a hell of a lot more than that. Not to mention there’s a ton of them that act as if they’re doing us a favor for being here breaking our laws and mooching off our system.

You realize you are just presenting your opinion and no facts, right? And two tweets - which may or may not be true as we know - do not highlight anything other than two instances.

Did you believe immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs because you saw some tweets stating that?

 

[MTTiger19]

You realize you are just presenting your opinion and no facts, right? And two tweets - which may or may not be true as we know - do not highlight anything other than two instances.

Did you believe immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs because you saw some tweets stating that?

My guy, how so? My post points out illegals, at best, paid 1.9% of the taxes that were taken in. Do you dispute that? You think 1.9% of the government’s budget cannot be replaced with legal work that is beneficial to the entire country, not just a few corporations wanting slave labor.

The tweets are simply examples of the lack of respect for our nation and laws. Sometimes a picture is worth more than 1000 words. You could start an entire new X with similar videos, there’s tons of them.

 

[baltimorened]

You have way too much faith in the handful of corporations that have monopolized our economy and rigged the game for themselves.

The last time we saw any meaningful wage movement was during/immediately after the pandemic, when people could afford not to work because of government programs that propped them up. This forced private employers to increase wages and improve overall working conditions to attract workers to jobs they no longer had to do.

was this a good thing? Bad thing? Probably up for debate, but the system we have is that people are forced to work regardless of the wage because we have such a poor social safety net and, more importantly, because virtually everyone’s healthcare is dependent on having a job.

Imagine if employers could not longer hold you hostage with health benefits - they’d have no choice but to improve pay and other benefits or lose significant chunks of their workforce.

I don't know what was in your mind when you posted, so I might be way out in my interpretation. If so, sorry in advanced.

I think you have too much angst about corporations. And when you post about "a handful" I expect you're talking about the large ones.

First of all, about 46 % of American workers are employed by small business. And, I'd wager, for the most part, these employees, in general, make a lower overall income - wage, contributions to 401s, healthcare, life insurance etc, than do the contemporaries working for large corporations. The big guys, again for the most part, have more generous benefits and, in my experience, pay more.

I worked for a fortune 50 company for 20 years. Retired as a member of executive management. Every year we worked to numbers - budgets- bookings - sales - and there was no debate about performance. You either made your numbers or you didn't. If you did you could make it up the ladder, if not, well......

We had all the resources we needed to attract and retain people. The better the job you did, and things were quantifiable, the more money you would make in either salary or bonus or both. We had great matching 401 plan and when I worked there a defined benefit plan; great healthcare choices, great PTO, sick leave, flexible work hours and latitude to make decisions for individual employees. I had an employee who was not performing. I called him in to fire him at which time he told me he had terminal cancer and without the job he had no health insurance. The company and I would not put him in that situation. So we put him in a less stressful job, same pay and benefits, and gave him the opportunity to flex hours however he wanted. Small companies might not have that option.

I'm sure some large corporations are not that employee centered. But I can tell you that other executives with whom I interchanged all had the same opinion, that is, the greatest asset of a company is its employees. And one of the greatest challenges was finding and retaining good people.

Working in a large corporation is not for everybody. I understand that. But our elected leaders like to bash them and then turn right back around and ask for sponsorships/donations. Who do you think covers a lot of the costs of the democrat and republican conventions? Who contributes to charities? Corporations contributed $44 billion to us charities in 2024. For comparison, USAID's budget was about $35billion.

So we like to denigrate corporations and they're not for everybody, but they and the people who work for them are not the reincarnation of evil.

 

[baltimorened]

Wh

Where are you getting that $100b figure from? I find it hard to believe considering the entire budget for New York State is $250B.

I got it from the OP that said illegals pay $100billion in taxes

 

[johnhugh]

where is this “Americans need higher wages” attitude when Democrats push for raising minimum wage?

it’s like yall will support any standard Democrat position as long as it gives you a reason to get rid of the brown people.

Raising minimum wage is socialism, but the government owning 10% of intel is not

 

[johnhugh]

Marked. Will be watching. I haven't seen this on TV or social media yet.

Your algorithm knows you only want positive Trump news so of course you haven’t seen it

 

[clempzenbill]

You don’t get to compare Trump’s political philosophy to JFK’s and then criticize other people’s understanding of political history.

You don’t get to compare Trump’s political philosophy to JFK’s and then criticize other people’s understanding of political history.

Ugh, first of all it’s a message board so yah, last time i checked commenting on others posts was allowed especially since that s exactly what YOU did. lol.
Secondly I was clarifying your comment while also trying to expand peoples understanding of socialism vs fascism. Sorry if you’re butt hurt, well not really.
Thirdly I notice you didn’t disagree with anything I posted so what exactly is your point, other than you don’t like my post? What did I post that isn’t true in your opinion?

 

[clempzenbill]

You are a ******* idiot if you don’t understand the economic benefits we get with illegal labor.

lol, dude obviously hires illegals for his landscaping business. Or is it a restaurant? Illegals supress wages and take jobs from younger less skilled Amercians. The real reason they are here is to get them voting rights and ensure Democrat election wins. If your read beyond the news app on your cell phone you’d know that tens of thousands of illegals voted in AZ and other states as well. That’s why illegals were given things most American citizens don’t get like free phones, cash, housing and healthcare.

 

[clempzenbill]

The lowest crime rate in 30 years.

Thas like saying someone who weighs 500 lbs is doing a great job because they lost 20 lbs.

The crime rates didn’t go down, crimes were renamed to alter stats, that is if you think they actuallly post accurate numbers. If your believe that I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell yah..

 

[Rastafarian]

I got it from the OP that said illegals pay $100billion in taxes

Ok, but that is different. You said NY state spends more than $100b on illegal immigrants which is not true. Immigrants pay more than $100b in taxes federally. Totally different stats.

 

[dpic73]

lol, dude obviously hires illegals for his landscaping business. Or is it a restaurant? Illegals supress wages and take jobs from younger less skilled Amercians. The real reason they are here is to get them voting rights and ensure Democrat election wins. If your read beyond the news app on your cell phone you’d know that tens of thousands of illegals voted in AZ and other states as well. That’s why illegals were given things most American citizens don’t get like free phones, cash, housing and healthcare.

Dude gets his news from the sewer


Hi Grok, Did tens of thousands of illegals vote in Arizona and other states?


"There’s no conclusive evidence that tens of thousands of non-citizens voted illegally in Arizona or other states in recent elections. Claims of widespread illegal voting often stem from political rhetoric or misinterpretations of data, but they lack substantiation from credible, large-scale studies or official records.

In Arizona, a specific claim involves approximately 50,000 "federal-only" voters who haven’t provided documentary proof of citizenship, as required for state and local elections. These voters are allowed to vote in federal elections under federal law, which only requires a sworn statement of citizenship. However, there’s no verified data showing these individuals are non-citizens or voting illegally. Most are presumed to be U.S. citizens who didn’t provide documents like a birth certificate or passport during registration. Arizona’s 15 counties are now working with the Department of Homeland Security to verify the citizenship of these voters, following a lawsuit by America First Legal, but no results have confirmed widespread non-citizen voting.

Nationally, studies like those from the Brennan Center for Justice (2017) found non-citizen voting to be exceedingly rare, with only a handful of cases across millions of votes. For example, a 2014 study estimated a non-citizen voting rate of 0.02% in federal elections. No credible evidence supports claims of tens of thousands of illegal votes in any state, including swing states like Arizona, Georgia, or Pennsylvania. Allegations often rely on unverified anecdotes or conflate registration issues with actual illegal voting.

Posts on X and some partisan sources amplify these claims, citing figures like 50,000 in Arizona or broader conspiracies, but they don’t provide verifiable data. Such posts often misrepresent routine voter roll maintenance or federal-only voting rules as evidence of fraud. Always approach such claims skeptically, as they’re frequently exaggerated to influence public perception rather than reflect reality."

https://x.com/i/grok/share/LIjT2nOREbiwHg8Pc1o6llOLc

 

[baltimorened]

Ok, but that is different. You said NY state spends more than $100b on illegal immigrants which is not true. Immigrants pay more than $100b in taxes federally. Totally different stats.

yep, you're right I transposed numbers. NY spent "only" $7 billion on refugees/migrants

 

[Rastafarian]

yep, you're right I transposed numbers. NY spent "only" $7 billion on refugees/migrants

According to politifact it is $2.4b but that budget is to be applied to 2025 and 2026, so approx $1.2b per year. It’s certainly a lot of money, but we started the convo with $100b.

NY state funding for migrants can be used on health care and

New York taxpayers are spending $2.4 billion on services for migrants in New York City, prompting claims from some lawma

www.politifact.com

 

[baltimorened]

According to politifact it is $2.4b but that budget is to be applied to 2025 and 2026, so approx $1.2b per year. It’s certainly a lot of money, but we started the convo with $100b.

NY state funding for migrants can be used on health care and

New York taxpayers are spending $2.4 billion on services for migrants in New York City, prompting claims from some lawma

www.politifact.com

wow you're apparently right again. I looked it up on google. I don't know where I got the $7billion number. I swear I didn't make it up. Anyway appears I'm 0 for 2 on this topic.
And you're right a third time, it is a lot of money.

 

[baltimorened]

wow you're apparently right again. I looked it up on google. I don't know where I got the $7billion number. I swear I didn't make it up. Anyway appears I'm 0 for 2 on this topic.
And you're right a third time, it is a lot of money.

NEW YORK (WABC) -- More than $7 billion of taxpayer money has been spent to house and care for undocumented immigrants in New York City over the past few years. The city is in the process of shutting down 50 shelters and hotels that house non-citizens.

This is where I got the $7billion number. I think WABC is a local NY channel

 

[Dadar]

wow you're apparently right again. I looked it up on google. I don't know where I got the $7billion number. I swear I didn't make it up. Anyway appears I'm 0 for 2 on this topic.
And you're right a third time, it is a lot of money.

You frequently take maga posters BS as fact with no verification. Your trump bias is obvious

 

[baltimorened]

You frequently take maga posters BS as fact with no verification. Your trump bias is obvious

my unbiased bias should be obvious. I guess you didn't see my verification next post up. I asked a question online and got the $7billion number from a NYC news channel. Now maybe their Trump bias might be obvious, or maybe they're right and politico is wrong. That has happened int the past you know.

By now you should have picked up that I have a conservative bias. Not a pro trump or anti trump one. I know a lot of people on here lean one way or another, I try to post my true opinions based on "facts" from either my experiences or from what I read. I sometimes get it wrong and when I do, I say so. I'm not perfect and I know it, unlike some on here who are, in their minds, never wrong. I like a lot of Trump policies and others, not so much. I'll tell you via my posts which ones I'm against or for. In fact, I like some Democrat policies and am not bashful about posting so. It just seems that right now the most significant Democrat policies are just anything anti trump which, in my opinion, is not really a policy.

I rarely if ever take anybody's posts as fact, unless I believe they're accurate. I think in this case you might have jumped the gun a little too quickly in calling out my "bias". I showed you where I got my data from, and unless WABC is MAGA, which I find difficult to believe, they must have some basis for reporting $7billion.

So, now might be a good time to say you were wrong.

 

[Dadar]

my unbiased bias should be obvious. I guess you didn't see my verification next post up. I asked a question online and got the $7billion number from a NYC news channel. Now maybe their Trump bias might be obvious, or maybe they're right and politico is wrong. That has happened int the past you know.

By now you should have picked up that I have a conservative bias. Not a pro trump or anti trump one. I know a lot of people on here lean one way or another, I try to post my true opinions based on "facts" from either my experiences or from what I read. I sometimes get it wrong and when I do, I say so. I'm not perfect and I know it, unlike some on here who are, in their minds, never wrong. I like a lot of Trump policies and others, not so much. I'll tell you via my posts which ones I'm against or for. In fact, I like some Democrat policies and am not bashful about posting so. It just seems that right now the most significant Democrat policies are just anything anti trump which, in my opinion, is not really a policy.

I rarely if ever take anybody's posts as fact, unless I believe they're accurate. I think in this case you might have jumped the gun a little too quickly in calling out my "bias". I showed you where I got my data from, and unless WABC is MAGA, which I find difficult to believe, they must have some basis for reporting $7billion.

So, now might be a good time to say you were wrong.

Did you not start off with $100 billion?

 

[baltimorened]

Did you not start off with $100 billion?

yes I did, and if you read my post you'll see that I admitted to transposing numbers....admitted a mistake. That number did not come from any MAGA source that I know of.

But let's not move away from your claim about me just accepting any MAGA BS. I showed you where I got the $7billion number, and it wasn't from any BS MAGA source. So, you were wrong. I don't want to make a big deal out of your post. I just want you to recognize that I'm not guilty of "Trump bias"...conservative OK, I accept that.

 

[firegiver]

Why are you upset with reducing crime?

Why do you throw away freedoms our founding fathers died for because you are a wuss?

 

[baltimorened]

Why do you throw away freedoms our founding fathers died for because you are a wuss?

yea, but isn't trump within his constitutional right to take control of DC for 30 days.?

 

[TheValley91]

Were you upset at how many tax dollars were wasted on illegals the last 3 years? Talk about political stunts lol. At least the citizens get a safe town. What did we get with the millions of illegals? Child labor, tax funded benefits going to non-citizens that don’t contribute, broken healthcare.

Hit those buzzwords your dear leader told you about.

Meanwhile in reality, immigrants commit Crimes at a much lower rate than citizens. Undocumented immigrants also provided nearly 100 billion in taxes each year. Mind you they don’t collect any social security, or Medicare even though they pay into it. They also don’t get Earned Income Tax Credit or Child Tax Credit.

 

[TigerGrowls]

You realize you are just presenting your opinion and no facts, right? And two tweets - which may or may not be true as we know - do not highlight anything other than two instances.

Did you believe immigrants in Ohio were eating cats and dogs because you saw some tweets stating that?

They were eating cats.

 

[TigerGrowls]

You can spin it anyway you want. They’re a net negative period. Even by your own statistics, if illegals paid the $100 billion in taxes as the left claims, that is still ONLY 1.9% of tax revenues collected by our government. 1.9%. That’s their contribution. They cost a hell of a lot more than that. Not to mention there’s a ton of them that act as if they’re doing us a favor for being here breaking our laws and mooching off our system.

And Im doubting very seriously that ilegals are paying that much tax. They probably mainly only pay sales tax.

 

[MTTiger19]

And Im doubting very seriously that ilegals are paying that much tax. They probably mainly only pay sales tax.

Obviously. I was attempting to strong man their argument for debates sake. Didn’t matter lol.

 

[dpic73]

They were eating cats.

Per the grainy black and white videos of "somebody" cooking "something" "somewhere" spread by maga propaganda terrorists.

 

[dpic73]

 

[firegiver]

yea, but isn't trump within his constitutional right to take control of DC for 30 days.?

sure, and I'm in my constitutional rights to hire 20,000 people to sing a song insulting your mother.
But its not fiscally responsible of me, accomplishes a bunch of negative in the world.
Like at some point, you have to question how sane it is to do what he's doing. Not even considering the constitution, just objectively, he's doing marshall law jr. for fun and games.