Lineup going forward

[PSAL_Hoops]

This is where I'm at with Zrno as well. Also - we tend to want to continually throw players away but then lament when they do leave and eventually get better ......the fact that there are active threads on Woolf, GG and Simpson and some of the comments wishing we still had them supports this.

First of all, the world is completely different now and it’s not simply a matter of kids staying with a program on scholarship. Zrno started off collecting a pay check - he’s almost certainly ones of the 5 highest paid players on the roster. The American frosh, in contrast, likely collected very little. If the season ended today, you can’t pay Zrno what he got this year to renew him without bumping a lot of others to that same rate because to this point he’s been outplayed.

In terms of the players you mentioned, GG did nothing last season at Nebraska so I don’t think he would’ve helped us. I’m sure Derek wasn’t really our decision. He’s a leader type and probably did not want to play second fiddle to Dylan and Ace. Not keeping Wolf turned out to be a very stupid mistake because we didn’t even end up replacing him on the roster. To this day I do not understand, if we weren’t to go after a center in the portal because we were afraid of upsetting Lathan, why on earth did we let Wolf go? We must’ve had money to pay PJ, and company. I can’t imagine it would’ve cost more to keep Wolf. What did we think we were getting in high volume mid major shooters who don’t play D?

 

[cRURah]

First of all, the world is completely different now and it’s not simply a matter of kids staying with a program on scholarship. Zrno started off collecting a pay check - he’s almost certainly ones of the 5 highest paid players on the roster. The American frosh, in contrast, likely collected very little. If the season ended today, you can’t pay Zrno what he got this year to renew him without bumping a lot of others to that same rate because to this point he’s been outplayed.

In terms of the players you mentioned, GG did nothing last season at Nebraska so I don’t think he would’ve helped us. I’m sure Derek wasn’t really our decision. He’s a leader type and probably did not want to play second fiddle to Dylan and Ace. Not keeping Wolf turned out to be a very stupid mistake because we didn’t even end up replacing him on the roster. To this day I do not understand, if we weren’t to go after a center in the portal because we were afraid of upsetting Lathan, why on earth did we let Wolf go? We must’ve had money to pay PJ, and company. I can’t imagine it would’ve cost more to keep Wolf. What did we think we were getting in high volume mid major shooters who don’t play D?

Do you consider $300k very little?

 

[RUInsanityToo]

First of all, the world is completely different now and it’s not simply a matter of kids staying with a program on scholarship. Zrno started off collecting a pay check - he’s almost certainly ones of the 5 highest paid players on the roster. The American frosh, in contrast, likely collected very little. If the season ended today, you can’t pay Zrno what he got this year to renew him without bumping a lot of others to that same rate because to this point he’s been outplayed.

In terms of the players you mentioned, GG did nothing last season at Nebraska so I don’t think he would’ve helped us. I’m sure Derek wasn’t really our decision. He’s a leader type and probably did not want to play second fiddle to Dylan and Ace. Not keeping Wolf turned out to be a very stupid mistake because we didn’t even end up replacing him on the roster. To this day I do not understand, if we weren’t to go after a center in the portal because we were afraid of upsetting Lathan, why on earth did we let Wolf go? We must’ve had money to pay PJ, and company. I can’t imagine it would’ve cost more to keep Wolf. What did we think we were getting in high volume mid major shooters who don’t play D?

We have no idea how much Zrno nor the American frosh recieved outside of podcast conjecture. The average salary in the Bosnian league he came from is like $10K per year.

I'm not debating that we should have kept GG. Woolf & Simpson IMO would have helped the team last season vs some of the transfers and frosh (outside of Ace and Dylan). What I am trying to say is that even though many want to bury the guy and have written him off the team after this season, I haven't given up on Zrno (YET).

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We have no idea how much Zrno nor the American frosh recieved outside of podcast conjecture. The average salary in the Bosnian league he came from is like $10K per year.

I'm not debating that we should have kept GG. Woolf & Simpson IMO would have helped the team last season vs some of the transfers and frosh (outside of Ace and Dylan). What I am trying to say is that even though many want to bury the guy and have written him off the team after this season, I haven't given up on Zrno (YET).

My point still stands and it’s not even about him. It could be anyone. Money is involved now and only a business. Different. If he’s getting only 10k and wants to be on our roster of course you keep him. But if he’s costing us 400K you wouldn’t renew that of the season ended today. That would be ridiculous. Obviously if he bumps up his 3 point shooting average to 36% and starts having more of an impact things could change.

 

[RUDiddy777]

We have no idea how much Zrno nor the American frosh recieved outside of podcast conjecture. The average salary in the Bosnian league he came from is like $10K per year.

I'm not debating that we should have kept GG. Woolf & Simpson IMO would have helped the team last season vs some of the transfers and frosh (outside of Ace and Dylan). What I am trying to say is that even though many want to bury the guy and have written him off the team after this season, I haven't given up on Zrno (YET).

I don’t want to give up on him either - but man, 0-6 from deep…

 

[seansherm]

I don’t want to give up on him either - but man, 0-6 from deep…

I can't decide what I think of his ability to make them on a consistent basis. Definitely a streak shooter. Surprisingly, he's somehow still at 32.3% in Big Ten play (per sports reference). He's 2-20 in the games against Penn, Del State, and Lehigh, then 1-5 against ND.

 

[RUChet]

Just because he hasn’t made his shots the last few games and the 0-6 against Northwestern was bad, the fine point is that he got 6 good looks. He has made 2 or so in other games. If you cannot see how the more 3’s we make will help us win then I am at a loss trying to explain it to you or you are just being dense.

Me dense? You are arguing for a guy shooting <30% from 3 to shoot more 3’s. Who is being dense?

Did you also notice how his shooting % is much higher in garbage time or against poor opponents.

as another poster pointed out, when it matters he shoots the worst.

He’s just not good enough for P4 basketball.

 

[RUChet]

The point is not lost on me but I look at the looks. Were the looks good? Did he move to get open? Is he coming off screens hard? Is his form good ? Is he shooting them off balance ? Most of the answers are positive and my thought that it is just a matter of time before they fall. Especially with Francis getting more attention .
You and Degaz are ridiculous saying his threes came in blowouts. He hit the 3 ‘s in the first half or early second when our opponent was playing their starters. Very few garbage points as you clam .
You and Degaz are ready to give up , I am not. I think having Powers and him gives us another offensive options and attempts that teams have to guard besides guarding Francis and maybe now Buchanan. The more offensive weapons the harder it is for the defense. He has also been trying really hard on defense and not unplayable on that end.
To win in today’s game you have to make reasonable amount of threes and cannot win on 2’s alone . Now if we had a dominant center we could get away with less threes and mostly 2’s but we do not have that at all. In fact , almost zero low post buckets.

It’s not horseshoe. It only counts if the ball goes through the net!

 

[seansherm]

Did you also notice how his shooting % is much higher in garbage time or against poor opponents.

He's actually shooting 17-42 from 3, 40.5% against Big Ten, SEC, and Big East comp. He's sucked most against poor comp.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Do you consider $300k very little?

We have no transparency into what the lowest level of pay currently sits at for playing on a high major roster but in the context of my post, Kaden Powers (who is the frosh that plays the same position as Zrno) is undoubtedly is being paid at that lowest level possible simply based on his profile coming in. There’s no chance Zrno isn’t making substantially more than him.

But that’s not really relevant - rather, the decision will be about what each should be worth at the end of the season. And right now it’s hard to argue Zrno should be paid more. So the point I was making really was simply that if we’re saying let’s keep both these guys and hope they develop - and the season were to end today - we’d have to at bare minimum pay both of them a match to whatever Zrno got. I can’t imagine anyone is taking a pay cut.