Level of concern: Head Coach edition
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8 and if he loses one more he should be fired. I've seen nothing from this coaching staff that indicates they know what they are doing. He looks like he is in over his head every week. Almost everything wrong with this team is a direct result of coaching.
Wow, that's interesting to me. I get that some people didn't like or didn't understand the comments, but I'm surprised that someone's level of concern as a whole for him as the coach would change that much because of what he said. Could you expound on that?
I believe that you crossed the line from expectation to possible. Yes, it is possible, but it was alwasy unlikely given the coaching change and the qb injury. That is my point. I think that a number of our fans have taken something that was possible, but highly unlikely given all the changes, and turned it into judgement on the new head coach. I think that is not very realistic and I'm puzzled by the fan reaction and what I perceive is an unwillingness to live in the reality of the situation.
I also don't have any reason to believe that Dan would've done any better so I have no regrets that he is gone and Joe is here. I'm quite happy about it an optimistic. To somehow set expectations for MSU that they would achieve something that they have never achieved under a coach in his first year with the program and a qb who has never really been a passer, coming back from a broken leg? All I can say is we see things differently. I may be wrong. Maybe Joe falls on his face in the future, but year 1 is not the year to pass judgement on his ability.
3. It's a lot like what I saw in Mullen early on. Granted, Mullen came into a far worse situation and showed quick improvement, whereas Moorhead came into a good situation and has not shown much improvement, if any.
1) Not challenging plays that should be challenged. This actually was worse for Mullen because had he challenged the illegal forward pass in the Houston game, we likely would have gone bowling. A fumble in the Bama game probably was not going to make the difference for winning.
2) Not adapting to the personnel. This wasn't a first season issue for Mullen, but his misuse of Tyler Russell was pretty bad. Fitz would have been awesome with those early Mullen era offenses (great RBs and O-line was better in those days). Similarly, Tyler Russell would have thrived in Moorhead's system.
3) TBD - Will Moorhead keep bad assistants around? Mullen kept a lot of middling assistants around and could never keep the good ones, but the latter part is to be expected.
1) Not challenging plays that should be challenged. This actually was worse for Mullen because had he challenged the illegal forward pass in the Houston game, we likely would have gone bowling. A fumble in the Bama game probably was not going to make the difference for winning.
2) Not adapting to the personnel. This wasn't a first season issue for Mullen, but his misuse of Tyler Russell was pretty bad. Fitz would have been awesome with those early Mullen era offenses (great RBs and O-line was better in those days). Similarly, Tyler Russell would have thrived in Moorhead's system.
3) TBD - Will Moorhead keep bad assistants around? Mullen kept a lot of middling assistants around and could never keep the good ones, but the latter part is to be expected.
I am at a 4 currently. It will drop to a 3 or 2 if we win out while scoring a lot of points and finish recruiting strong. Lose to either team and it probably jumps to a 9-10.
The way he responded made me think he is feeling some pressure and just set off an alarm for me. He's usually very cool with his responses but the 1941 comment rubbed me the wrong way. Very Croom like on that one.
7.56987
I get that fitz is not well suited for this offense and has just not picked it up at all, but that's still concerning. Fitz may not be a cerebral player or a film junkie, but he doesn't strike me as a moron either. If neither he nor Key has been able to pick up this offense in an off season and season, how often are we going to be able to keep a QB on the field that can run the offense? And if he can't adjust his offense to work despite having two RB that are 1,000 yd rusher quality, a great running QB, and a good offensive line, how bad are the years going to be when we don't have a QB that can run the offense well if we can't compensate with a top 5ish defense?
I certainly think it's possible that he will be a good coach despite doing a poor job with the transition this year, but it seems like people who are unconcerned must think Fitz and Key are 17ing terrible, or maybe they're just confident that we'll be ready to go with a transfer or Schrader next year.
They were hidden by simpler blocking schemes last year.
You can't blame a coach for a senior or junior OL who can't even stay still till the ball is snapped unless the coach is supposed to stand there and tell him to wait.
I think we are reaping the OL recruiting woes we had under Mullenz and his buddy.
One more thing, take a look at the OL recruits we are pursuing. Might make you feel better about the future.
I'm glad you posted this. I couldn't agree more. When I read the comments, the voice in my head was croom's.
2
New coach with new staff. Adjustment year. Next year if we don't go 7-5 or better then that number will go up.
New coach with new staff. Adjustment year. Next year if we don't go 7-5 or better then that number will go up.
What needs to be expounded? He basically said that he is tuning everything out because there's nobody here who has any insight into what it takes to win a championship unless someone is around from the 1941 team.
It was Croomtastic.
3, with the caveat that the RPO in the hands of a QB you don't seem to trust to make the right decisions at crunch time is kind of bizarre to me. You have to be able to design plays that are pure run or pure pass and tell him to do as he is told.
How can anyone thinks those comments arent disconcerting? Just Wow. Show me what championship he has won. Been a MSU fan a long time and this aint my childhood MSU. At this point we have done way more for him than him for us. Fitz may not be Tom Brady but he won a lot of games being Fitz!
I don't have a number, but Moorhead better fix HIS offense next season. Being ranked 78th in total offense and 107th in Passing offense ain't gonna cut it. Heck, we are only ranked 33rd in rushing offense as well. Nothing he has done this year has been good offensively. He better find his guys quick or get the guys already here coached up to run his offense next season.
Offensive guru? Not this year.
Offensive guru? Not this year.
7
His inability to realize what he has at MSU this year is beyond concerning. Also, the fact that we have the least % of RB carriesd in the SEC with 2 great backs just wasting.
Joe won't be fired, but this is the Best Team he will ever have during his time at State.
His inability to realize what he has at MSU this year is beyond concerning. Also, the fact that we have the least % of RB carriesd in the SEC with 2 great backs just wasting.
Joe won't be fired, but this is the Best Team he will ever have during his time at State.
Going forward? I can only hope. The inability to adapt the offense to it's strengths is concerning, even without his players. But the guy has a big learning curve, he's never been a D1 coach, let alone in the SEC.
I'd have to say at least 3 but no greater than 7 at any time.
I'd have to say at least 3 but no greater than 7 at any time.
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