Lets cut to the chase

[Knight Shift]

Sad but true.

As of this date, because The Athletic writer declared it so, a proclamation shall be issued (this applies to some of our fans anyway):

Since nobody expects Rutger to be good in football, you are not tortured, and you should learn to be happy with mediocre to poor results.

 

[tru2ru1]

Before Tate & Zinn even think about hiring a new coach they need to fill a war chest with NIL money that they can refill every year, to give any coach a chance to succeed.

 

[Smols]

As of this date, because The Athletic writer declared it so, a proclamation shall be issued (this applies to some of our fans anyway):

Since nobody expects Rutger to be good in football, you are not tortured, and you should learn to be happy with mediocre to poor results.

I don't agree with that premise, but there are a lot on this board that do.

 

[bac2therac]

Sadly, I think Tate and Zinn will find out just how difficult this task is and may regret ever hearing the name Rutgers. Saturday's abysmal performance on the very day they launched R NIL is so typical of Rutgers - who's bright idea was it to choose that game as Homecoming? We should also be very concerned about what happens next. Rutgers will have a massive target on its back by the Trump administration for too much "DEI" - we have a black president, a black female Chancellor and a female athletic director. We better hope Jack Ciattarelli doesn't get elected governor or we can kiss the whole R NIL goodbye along with grant money for academics. Jack will bend over backwards to appease Trump. If push comes to shove, major donors who really care about Rutgers will choose academics over athletics. At least Sherrill was at Homecoming - maybe she has the guts to stand up to whatever they have up their sleeves.

What a ******* nutjob you are

Leave politics off this board

 

[Smols]

Sadly, I think Tate and Zinn will find out just how difficult this task is and may regret ever hearing the name Rutgers. Saturday's abysmal performance on the very day they launched R NIL is so typical of Rutgers - who's bright idea was it to choose that game as Homecoming? We should also be very concerned about what happens next. Rutgers will have a massive target on its back by the Trump administration for too much "DEI" - we have a black president, a black female Chancellor and a female athletic director. We better hope Jack Ciattarelli doesn't get elected governor or we can kiss the whole R NIL goodbye along with grant money for academics. Jack will bend over backwards to appease Trump. If push comes to shove, major donors who really care about Rutgers will choose academics over athletics. At least Sherrill was at Homecoming - maybe she has the guts to stand up to whatever they have up their sleeves.

I know you're going to be chastised for politics, but it's politics as it relates to Rutgers. You describe a very real scenario.

 

[Knight Shift]

I know you're going to be chastised for politics, but it's politics as it relates to Rutgers. You describe a very real scenario.

I missed that post, and glad I did- that is Message Board Genius post of the year material. Holy smokes, is knighfan2000 serious.? Wow, are people that delusional?

 

[DHajekRC1984]

Wrong. He and his new school would be sued by PSU if he signed for under market value.

Lol.. sure. And I guess if he becomes a short term announcer he gets sued too right?

What are real possibilities and what you think will happen aren't the same. You shouldn't bank the score until the game is over..

 

[RU#1fan]

BC is terrible.

Right now so we are we. { we have lost 6 out of our last 7 games against P4 teams}. UCONN would beat us right now. And they are not even a P4 team.
We have given up 84 points in the last 6 Quarters of football. A national embarrassment.

 

[MADHAT1]

Lol.. sure. And I guess if he becomes a short term announcer he gets sued too right?

What are real possibilities and what you think will happen aren't the same. You shouldn't bank the score until the game is over..

It has happened that a coah was sued for not looking hard enough for a good paying job bt the school paying his buyout
(google search results )
>Arkansas and former coach Bret Bielema settled dueling lawsuits in April 2021, which arose after his 2017 firing. The legal dispute centered on the terms of his severance package, specifically whether Bielema had "best efforts" to find a high-paying job as required by his contract. Arkansas sued, claiming he took an artificially low-paying job with the New England Patriots<
(article about it)
>Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid $8.085 million of an initial $11.935 million contract payout agreement.<

Settlement reached between Bielema and Razorback Foundation - Talk Business & Politics

Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid...

talkbusiness.net

 

[RU#1fan]

Sadly, I think Tate and Zinn will find out just how difficult this task is and may regret ever hearing the name Rutgers. Saturday's abysmal performance on the very day they launched R NIL is so typical of Rutgers - whose bright idea was it to choose that game as Homecoming? We should also be very concerned about what happens next. Rutgers will have a massive target on its back by the Trump administration for too much "DEI" - we have a black president, a black female Chancellor and a female athletic director. We better hope Jack Ciattarelli doesn't get elected governor or we can kiss the whole R NIL goodbye along with grant money for academics. Jack will bend over backwards to appease Trump. If push comes to shove, major donors who really care about Rutgers will choose academics over athletics. At least Sherrill was at Homecoming - maybe she has the guts to stand up to whatever they have up their sleeves.

Very well said.
Unfortunately a very possible outcome.

 

[G- RUnit]

BC is terrible.

Guy is working miracles though there. Anybody who can make UConn competitive is pretty impressive.

 

[tru2ru1]

Right now so we are we. { we have lost 6 out of our last 7 games against P4 teams}. UCONN would beat us right now. And they are not even a P4 team.
We have given up 84 points in the last 6 Quarters of football. A national embarrassment.

If you want to see an embarrassment Rocco look in the mirror!

 

[bac2therac]

I know you're going to be chastised for politics, but it's politics as it relates to Rutgers. You describe a very real scenario.

No

 

[DHajekRC1984]

It has happened that a coah was sued for not looking hard enough for a good paying job bt the school paying his buyout
(google search results )
>Arkansas and former coach Bret Bielema settled dueling lawsuits in April 2021, which arose after his 2017 firing. The legal dispute centered on the terms of his severance package, specifically whether Bielema had "best efforts" to find a high-paying job as required by his contract. Arkansas sued, claiming he took an artificially low-paying job with the New England Patriots<
(article about it)
>Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid $8.085 million of an initial $11.935 million contract payout agreement.<

Settlement reached between Bielema and Razorback Foundation - Talk Business & Politics

Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid...

talkbusiness.net

Yeah I understand. Does Franklin's clause require him to serk a "high paying coaching job"? IDK..cause when I see "announcer" as part of it I wouldn't expect a $10mm deal for 5 years with ESPN as a reasonable expectation. You?

Point is it all seems negotiable.

 

[MADHAT1]

Yeah I understand. Does Franklin's clause require him to serk a "high paying coaching job"? IDK..cause when I see "announcer" as part of it I wouldn't expect a $10mm deal for 5 years with ESPN as a reasonable expectation. You?

Point is it all seems negotiable.

can't say it does, but Penn State would have been unwise to not cover all bases in their contract with Franklin.
A quick google check found he has a look for job clause in his contract to offset PSU's buyout payment.
As for "high paying coaching job"?" ,don't nitpick , you can bet if he takes a low paying job PSU might take the same action Arkansas did when Bielema took the NE position.
Also ( from google) >The contract obligates Franklin to "diligently search for and make a good faith effort to obtain another position appropriate for his skill set,"<

 

[mugrat86]

While we're throwing #s around. I'd appreciate you or anyone else explaining where cash strapped Rutgers gets the $ for the $23 million buyout.

Please be specific.

By shrinking the coaching staff salaries and back loading them. If it's a guy like Mora, you maybe give him a $1 million raise the first two years and make his salary around 3.5 million those first two years and then give him 4 million year 3 and 4 and give him 5 million year 5. That is 12 and half million right there. You then cut the assistants budget a bit as well

 

[rutgersguy2]

It has happened that a coah was sued for not looking hard enough for a good paying job bt the school paying his buyout
(google search results )
>Arkansas and former coach Bret Bielema settled dueling lawsuits in April 2021, which arose after his 2017 firing. The legal dispute centered on the terms of his severance package, specifically whether Bielema had "best efforts" to find a high-paying job as required by his contract. Arkansas sued, claiming he took an artificially low-paying job with the New England Patriots<
(article about it)
>Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid $8.085 million of an initial $11.935 million contract payout agreement.<

Settlement reached between Bielema and Razorback Foundation - Talk Business & Politics

Former University of Arkansas head football coach Bret Bielema and the Razorback Foundation announced Friday (April 23) a settlement of a contract dispute that will see the former coach paid...

talkbusiness.net

Yea but I think the key thing with that is the artificially low paying job part.

I don’t think if JF took a 3-4M salary it would be considered an artificially low paying job.

He’ll probably get more than that because schools don’t like to look cheap but theoretically I don’t think that kind of compensation would run into issues.

I’ve seen the Bielema one, are there many others? I don’t recall many. A dispute taken to that level seems more like the exception than the rule.

 

[mugrat86]

But where does RU find that $23 million now? And what if the new HC is a bust. No coach is going to come here without a significant salary and buyout. You going to pay 2 buyouts if the newbie fails?

Rutgers isn't PSU, UF, VT, OKie St, or any number of teams that fire HC with large buyouts. There appears to be no "whales" that other schools, B1G and nationally, have.

Not sure if that 23 million needs to be paid upfront or over time

 

[MADHAT1]

Yea but I think the key thing with that is the artificially low paying job part.

I don’t think if JF took a 3-4M salary it would be considered an artificially low paying job.

He’ll probably get more than that because schools don’t like to look cheap but theoretically I don’t think that kind of compensation would run into issues.

I’ve seen the Bielema one, are there many others? I don’t recall many. A dispute taken to that level seems more like the exception than the rule.

I would say Penn State couldn't complain if he took an assistant position at a major program, which might be less than $2mil or a HC position at the price you stated .
But close to volunteer pay might raise the Nit's eyebrows a bit
I couldn't find any examples besides Bielema , but a google search said many times the dispute is not made public .

 

[MADHAT1]

Not sure if that 23 million needs to be paid upfront or over time

from a google search: >Greg Schiano's contract with Rutgers does not include a lump-sum payout if he is fired without cause. Instead, his buyout would be paid out over time, not as a single payment<
I would imagine Rutgers and Greg might agree to a lesser payment for a lump sum buyout rather than have the full amount owed paid over the life of contract up to the expiration date .
Example Greg takes 17-19 Mil instead of Rutgers paying him the salary he was owed every tear until the contract expired which would total $23 mil after everything was said and done

 

[Knight Shift]

Yea but I think the key thing with that is the artificially low paying job part.

I don’t think if JF took a 3-4M salary it would be considered an artificially low paying job.

He’ll probably get more than that because schools don’t like to look cheap but theoretically I don’t think that kind of compensation would run into issues.

I’ve seen the Bielema one, are there many others? I don’t recall many. A dispute taken to that level seems more like the exception than the rule.

Does this mean that Cignetti is costing Indiana U "only" $500,000 per year, and the remainder of his salary comes from other sources?

 

[knightfan2000]

No

Really? What evidence can you cite that Rutgers is NOT in the crosshairs. He's targeted multiple universities across the country and is just waiting for Ciattarelli to be elected before he goes after Rutgers. I'll wait for an apology for calling me whatever pejorative name you selected when all of this materializes. Ciattarelli and the Trump administration will NOT be a friend of Rutgers which will only make R NIL that much harder.

 

[bac2therac]

Really? What evidence can you cite that Rutgers is NOT in the crosshairs. He's targeted multiple universities across the country and is just waiting for Ciattarelli to be elected before he goes after Rutgers. I'll wait for an apology for calling me whatever pejorative name you selected when all of this materializes. Ciattarelli and the Trump administration will NOT be a friend of Rutgers which will only make R NIL that much harder.

Zero evidence of this

 

[rutgersguy2]

Does this mean that Cignetti is costing Indiana U "only" $500,000 per year, and the remainder of his salary comes from other sources?

I don’t think so. IU will pay everything. Maybe it’s responsibility from the school vs the athletic department or what not I don’t know buts it’s likely just semantics.

 

[NotInRHouse]

You mean votes of confidence? Those usually turn out so well.

Historically here that has mattered.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Really? What evidence can you cite that Rutgers is NOT in the crosshairs. He's targeted multiple universities across the country and is just waiting for Ciattarelli to be elected before he goes after Rutgers. I'll wait for an apology for calling me whatever pejorative name you selected when all of this materializes. Ciattarelli and the Trump administration will NOT be a friend of Rutgers which will only make R NIL that much harder.

Thankfully he's unlikely to win and god forbid we have a legislature and state supremes to stand up for us. But the money situation is a big problem no matter what.

 

[Knight Shift]

Please stop with the political nonsense. Some of you people need hobbies or to get laid more often. The world, this country and this State is a beautiful place if you step outside of your echo chambers and enjoy life.

 

[MADHAT1]

Please stop with the political nonsense. Some of you people need hobbies or to get laid more often. The world, this country and this State is a beautiful place if you step outside of your echo chambers and enjoy life.

This is a football board I feel everyone has the right to make political statements I agree with and those whose politics aren't the same as mine , shut the hell up , this is a football board.
This reply isn't about you Shifty, it could be about me or anyone who posts or backs political BS on a board that should be devoted to sports.
Once politicians names are mentioned more than likly a politiocal point is being made using a sports issue as cover.
I'm with Shifty and even bac ( whose politics are different than mine) STOP the politicizing and stick to the sports issue.
Want to put politics in , just say I hope whoever elected will be a Rutgers supporter , and leave it like that without another opinion involving political agendas

As for lets cut to the chase, I hope Rutgers catches a break, Greg proving his worth or Zinn finding buyout funding then hiring someone that will make Rutgers proud

 

[mdk02]

Really? What evidence can you cite that Rutgers is NOT in the crosshairs. He's targeted multiple universities across the country and is just waiting for Ciattarelli to be elected before he goes after Rutgers. I'll wait for an apology for calling me whatever pejorative name you selected when all of this materializes. Ciattarelli and the Trump administration will NOT be a friend of Rutgers which will only make R NIL that much harder.

And will you apologize for:

A. needlessly inserting politics in the football board and

B. If Ciattarelli is elected (no prediction here) and they DON'T go after Rutgers

 

[DHajekRC1984]

can't say it does, but Penn State would have been unwise to not cover all bases in their contract with Franklin.
A quick google check found he has a look for job clause in his contract to offset PSU's buyout payment.
As for "high paying coaching job"?" ,don't nitpick , you can bet if he takes a low paying job PSU might take the same action Arkansas did when Bielema took the NE position.
Also ( from google) >The contract obligates Franklin to "diligently search for and make a good faith effort to obtain another position appropriate for his skill set,"<

Lol..all negotiable and debateble wording. "What's the definition of is is? "