Im confused by all the Matt Campbell blathering. It took the worst Iowa offense in years to allow Campbell to eek out a win. Relatively good ISU teams have been routinely beaten by Iowa under Campbell. That matchup with a Big 10 team speaks volumes to me.
I'm not suggesting Matt Campbell. Personally I think Dave Doeren Dave Aranda or Matt Rhule would be better picks. Doeren feels like he'd be someone we could get more so than the others.
Because they cannot recruit top notch players now. None of these guys are charismatic, dynamic or even remotely interesting to 17 year old high school players.
Are you salty I dont wanna type his name out?
You just don't get it. We're never going to be at the top of the recruiting rankings based on charisma or style. How do you think we're going to go into the top talent regions of the country and out recruit the local teams? We need a unique identity and the ability to recruit to it within the 500 miles. Missouri, Colorado, Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota with an emphasis on a few hot spots.
I disagree. I dont think its realistic to think we’ll be number 1 all the time but look how high we have been with garbage product and lazy recruiting. Bring in a winner and those classes get even better. Nebraska is still a national brand.
I think you underestimate the pull Saban has with 17 year olds. When he took over LSU they were coming off a 3-8 season and within 2 years, they were a top 10 team and within 5 years they won a national title. He didn't do that without recruiting top players.Are you salty I dont wanna type his name out?
He cant recruit because he didnt pull five stars in his first year at perennial dumpster fire 2 win KANSAS? He must be charasmatic enough to get kids to buy into what he’s selling within the program.
Saban is not remotely interesting to 17 year old dudes either, except for play for me and you’ll win. He won with guys he inhereted first, just like many guys on that list. Youve never been recruited by these guys, so I dont know where you’re getting this from.
Again, not every white dude in the midwest is kirk ferentz.
For the record I dont think trev should go hire him now, but he absolutely deserves to be on the list. If he fizzles and wins 3 or 4 then not an option, but if kansas goes and starts winning imo he deserves a hard look.
If we have top 20 classes, that's about the best we can expect. We won't out-recruit Ohio state, michigan, Penn state, alabama, georgia, Notre dame, USC, Oregon, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Miami, Michigan State, UCLA, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Tennessee.
I get it just fine. You are one of the folks that want to be the tallest little person, the best Asian driver or the smartest Iowegian. You want to use the location as an excuse as to why you can't attract top talent to Lincoln.
My point about saban is that you would have said the same thing about him before what you just referenced, based on his career before LSU, and you would have been incredibly wrong.
Ok lets go get bob stoops urban meyer or nick saban. Way to stick your neck out there.
I disagree. A winner can come in, start winning games with our roster, and start getting to 15, then top 10, etc.
Who cares about candidates? As far as I am concerned there can be 300 candidates. I want to know and discuss who can actually be the next coach, period. I am not concerned with talking about who might be a guy, who could maybe be the guy, at some point in the future.
Louisiana is the most talent rich state in the Union. Assuming your coach is semi-competent, the best kids on the state want to play for the home team. I believe more NFL players come from Louisiana than any other state too.
And if he meets the criteria, which thus far he is well on his way to doing, he can absolutely be the guy. Your superficial judgement is just an opinion based on nothing. I base mine on his ability to win and improve programs. Kids want to play for winners.
The original argument is that Lance Leopold can't recruit high enough. There' no evidence of that. He's coached at buffalo and now Kansas. He turned Buffalo around and he's making Kansas into a winner. That is no easy feat. He's a proven program builder, so get him all the help he needs to recruit.
Those are guys that go out and recruit the best player and don't make excuses for not getting players. There are other coaches that have that same attitude. The don't sit on their asses and complain about being in Nebraska and they simply can't compete with these other schools.
yet, they were 3-8 the year before Saban took over, and had had 8 losing seasons in 11 years prior to that.
Yeah I agree that theres no evidence of that. Its an assumption and nothing more.
Yeah, then he won and kids wanted to play there. What about this dont you understand? Im saying you would have said the same thing about him before he did that, some uncharasmatic old dude who ran the ball and never before “proved” he could recruit.
Superficial? It is based on recruiting rankings. The coach at Kansas is almost 60 and spent 15 years winning DIII titles. He wasn't concerned with recruiting the top players in the country. When he was at Buffalo, he wasn't either and now at Kansas he is trying to get them to relevancy and he still isn't in on the top players. That isn't superficial, that is fact!
Seems like you're making the argument that they had talent but didn't coach it up worth a damn. Everyone knows one of the secrets to Osborne's success was continuity of staff. If you get a guy like Urban Meyer, which you won't because he's not even remotely interested, you're going to keep him for 3 years and then be in flux again. I want the guy we can keep for 10 years because he treats it like a destination job.
And I would hire all three of them.
The season is young. People are sitting up and taking notice. They are not looking forward to playing Kansas. He is a program builder and that is undisputed.
“Still” isnt in on the top players in his second year in dumpster fire kansas. Wasnt in on the top players in buffalo. Smh.
He doesn't want the job. He's said as much. I think he's done coaching honestly. Maybe a plum college job comes along.
Saban went and recruited kids and then he won and then recruiting became even easier. His 2001 and 2003 classes were both top 3 classes in the country. Then he went to Alabama and did the same damn thing.
Champions have top 5 classes year in and year out. Without that, a team has zero chance. We will not pull top 5 classes. Completely unrealistic. Our immediate goal is to win 9-10 games a year. Thinking about BCS is just laughable.
Youre still refusing to understand my point about saban…before he got the chance to prove he could do it at LSU…but whatever you arent going to admit that you dang well would have said the dame thing about him.
You are delusional. Can't help you with that. We want to be a better version of Wisconsin. Running the ball got us 5 titles.
In the 1970's and 1990's. No one running what Osborne ran is winning titles anymore. Unless winning the Big Ten west is the ultimate goal.
Kansas playing at Houston tomorrow. I'll be keeping an eye on the game. I think they'll score a ton and win it going away. They are a lot of fun to watch.
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