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AZBlues

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Some of our soccer players put in 90 minutes in one game. Only some of our basketball players are putting 90 to 100 minutes over three games. Fatigue should not be a factor.
I agree that soccer requires players to be superbly conditioned if they want to excel at the sport... But our soccer team plays 14 games at home and only 7 on the road, with 2 of those being back to back in Omaha. And of the 6 times they have to travel, they have at least 7 days, and usually much more time, in between away games. So travel fatigue due to repeated traveling and the associated issues from prolonged relatively cramped seating on planes and buses, differences in sleep, diet, etc, would have a much greater chance of affecting the basketball team at times, especially if they're traveling multiple times during a week..
 
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Shelby65

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Interesting post, since that had nothing to do with the purpose of my post. My point was that significant travel, and less rest, can very well have a negative effect on performance, and especially in certain sports, regardless of the team involved
In the NBA they play defense much harder than they do in college. You have to play straight up man for 48 minutes and there is much less help. The reason you think they don’t play defense in the NBA is because the players are so skilled offensively, they can score on anyone, even when you play perfect defense. Most of the Rutgers players wouldn’t even been able to score a single point in an NBA game.
False. Playoff ppg averages are much less than reg season averages. Outside shots are often not contested for 3 quarters in the regular season.

Regular season NBA is exhibition
 

G- RUnit

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With all due respect to you as a highly respected and successful former professional athlete, your specialty of baseball is obviously different than certain other sports like basketball, when hours of traveling long distances by plane or bus can have more of a negative effect on leg and joint inflammation/fatigue, circulation, lactic acid levels in legs, etc, due to the nature of the sport... The fact that basketball is played on a harder surface can result in more joint stress as well, that requires more time to resolve..

So in some cases, less time off and having to travel long distances prior to a game may have a greater negative effect on performance in certain sports (those that require more continuous stress and subsequent lactic acid accumulation in the leg muscles and inflammation in the leg muscles and joints), and especially when the sport involves little rest for the athlete during the course of the game, like in basketball, soccer, etc.
Those who don’t think three games away from home in a week was not a crucial factor and perhaps even the factor are sorely mistaken.
 
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Was fatigue part of the explanation for the second half fade?
Nah. These are 20 year old kids who play for 30 minutes max 2X a week. Again, these are kids who played 6 games per weekend in HS at aau tourneys

The rangers for example just played 4 games in 6 days in a much more physically taxing sport and beat one of the best teams in hockey last night in carolina after playing in manhattan on Friday night until 10pm.

We need to stop the fatigue thing imo
 
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False. Playoff ppg averages are much less than reg season averages. Outside shots are often not contested for 3 quarters in the regular season.

Regular season NBA is exhibition
The NBA season is a long one so of course the regular season is not quite as intense, but the bigger factor in the playoffs is that the best teams are playing each other, so of course scoring averages are lower.
 

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The primary reason most young players do not see any meaningful minutes in NBA or have to spend time in the G-league is to learn to play NBA level man to man defense.
I don’t deny that they play hard and I agree with you that the main reason people think NBA defense is bad is because it’s just impossible to stop offense once it gets good enough. I just don’t think it’s because they’re playing harder (though they are playing more minutes and more games, which is harder).

I also think it’s an exaggeration to say that our players couldn’t score a single point.
 

bethlehemfan

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I don’t deny that they play hard and I agree with you that the main reason people think NBA defense is bad is because it’s just impossible to stop offense once it gets good enough. I just don’t think it’s because they’re playing harder (though they are playing more minutes and more games, which is harder).

I also think it’s an exaggeration to say that our players couldn’t score a single point.
The whole nba reference is a red herring. Ok they play a lot of games. Doesn’t mean fatigue doesn’t affect performance. Nor does one game or hockey match or a soccer match. Haha fatigue impacts performance. Pretty much irrefutable. Whether they should be fatigued or it contributed to the outcome is up for debate. It seems to me pretty obvious that it’s easier to play home games than to be on the road for two weeks and not unreasonable to think it could have been a factor. Arguing that’s impossible seems very illogical. I mean if refs don’t matter and travel doesn’t matter is the issue simply those nasty road fans. Seems implausible.
 

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The whole nba reference is a red herring. Ok they play a lot of games. Doesn’t mean fatigue doesn’t affect performance.
Well the NBA figured out that it did which is why stars only play like 35 mpg now.
Nor does one game or hockey match or a soccer match. Haha fatigue impacts performance. Pretty much irrefutable. Whether they should be fatigued or it contributed to the outcome is up for debate. It seems to me pretty obvious that it’s easier to play home games than to be on the road for two weeks and not unreasonable to think it could have been a factor. Arguing that’s impossible seems very illogical. I mean if refs don’t matter and travel doesn’t matter is the issue simply those nasty road fans. Seems implausible.
I don’t even remember the genesis of the conversation lol. I think it’s obvious fatigue affects things, though I don’t see any particular reason Rutgers would be more fatigued than anyone else.
 

bethlehemfan

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Well the NBA figured out that it did which is why stars only play like 35 mpg now.

I don’t even remember the genesis of the conversation lol. I think it’s obvious fatigue affects things, though I don’t see any particular reason Rutgers would be more fatigued than anyone else.
Sometimes is inexplicable. You think you should be good and your kids come out and can’t move. It could be a party a girlfriend who knows. Haha
 

RUDiddy777

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No, I think it’s still some figuring out what to do without Mag.

Pike said 2 weeks. They’ve only managed 3 practices since he went down. Cliff getting in foul trouble killed us. He’s going to have to be careful and smart going forward.
 
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I don’t deny that they play hard and I agree with you that the main reason people think NBA defense is bad is because it’s just impossible to stop offense once it gets good enough. I just don’t think it’s because they’re playing harder (though they are playing more minutes and more games, which is harder).

I also think it’s an exaggeration to say that our players couldn’t score a single point.
Maybe harder is the wrong word, better, much better could be appropriate. and yes, most Rutgers players could not score in an NBA game. Mulcahy would get stripped of the ball anytime he dribbled past the three point line.
 

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Maybe harder is the wrong word, better, much better could be appropriate. and yes, most Rutgers players could not score in an NBA game. Mulcahy would get stripped of the ball anytime he dribbled past the three point line.
I wonder what the score would actually be in a game between Rutgers and an average NBA team. I think we would score at least 30 points.
 
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Probably 60 but we’d give up 100+
24 second shot clock is huge difference we would not do well with
If NBA players got bonus for holding us lower we’d be lucky to get to 30
Offensive rebounds and transition points would be almost zero and our half court offense would be close to getting shut out
 

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I wonder what the score would actually be in a game between Rutgers and an average NBA team. I think we would score at least 30 points.
Not a single one of our players is fast enough or a good enough ball handler to get downhill and drive to the basket against an NBA defender. Any 3s would be taken 2 to 3 feet further out from what we take today, and they would all be contested. And we would give up over 150 points.
 
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bethlehemfan

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24 second shot clock is huge difference we would not do well with
If NBA players got bonus for holding us lower we’d be lucky to get to 30
Offensive rebounds and transition points would be almost zero and our half court offense would be close to getting shut out
Yea I agree. I was assuming an exhibition type game.
 

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Rutgers has been a mediocre shooting team against B1G Ten competition.Opponents are limiting Cam shots and moving Cliff away from basket for dunks.Caleb and Paul have good and bad games and Hyatt also lacks consistent scoring.Bottom line defense is good enough to win most games but the mediocre offense prevents it from happening.Scoring is sliding from around 65 points to the 60 point plateau.
If we could have scored 70, would have won both road games. Is that asking too much?
 

Mr. Magoo1

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I’ll believe the mental fatigue way more than any physical fatigue. We play this game at the RAC, and the crowd wills us to a win. As Yogi said about baseball, “90 percent of this game is half mental”.
 
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I’ll believe the mental fatigue way more than any physical fatigue. We play this game at the RAC, and the crowd wills us to a win. As Yogi said about baseball, “90 percent of this game is half mental”.
That's the part that makes me wonder if Paul will be back.
I wonder if that part gets to him far more than the physical part.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I think it’s the biggest factor with Caleb. 36 minutes is too much for the way he plays on both ends. He needs more breaks but we don’t have the ability to give them to him now.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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That's the part that makes me wonder if Paul will be back.
I wonder if that part gets to him far more than the physical part.
I watched him quite a bit at Gill in HS. He always struck me as kid who will do anything to win with a tireless and non-stop competitive steak…the type of player who would not want his college playing career to end (like Davison at Wisconsin or Bohannon at Iowa). Mentally, I would worry less about him than others but that obviously is just my opinion.
 

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I watched him quite a bit at Gill in HS. He always struck me as kid who will do anything to win with a tireless and non-stop competitive steak…the type of player who would not want his college playing career to end (like Davison at Wisconsin or Bohannon at Iowa). Mentally, I would worry less about him than others but that obviously is just my opinion.
I haven't watched him that long at all but I don't get the "anything to win" because it's obvious to everyone he needs to shoot more and he won't do it, especially shoot more 3's and hunt 3's more.
No offense intended, I agree he seems like he's run through a brick wall or knock himself out trying for RU and Pike and I enjoy watching him play.
 
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To me, he’s a stand-still shooter who thinks he needs more time to set than he probably does. His release is very slow.
 

OldManRiver1

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Highly conditioned athletes with tired legs after 25 games...I don't buy it.

However, I was expecting a totally different subject matter in this thread

 
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MiloTalon13

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Geeeeze com'on with this stuff, please, we lost two games on the road to 2 NCAA teams. That's it!
I see some of the "joined" dates on guys, read some comments and wonder what this place must have been like in 2015. Were there daily callings for beheadings??